Meta, Poll: fixed or variable width content for Engadget?
By Ryan Block 
posted May 21st 2008 4:09PM
posted May 21st 2008 4:09PM
| I'm down with the mega-wide -- leave things as is! | |
|---|---|
| I'm into variable width, but it just gets TOO wide. Cut it back some. | |
| Bring it down and make it fixed-width, there should still be plenty of room. | |
| I really don't care. | |
| I only read in RSS -- have you heard of it? |
im down w/ variable
Dear Engadget,
After you have finished toying with the variable/fixed column widths could you please, for the love of all things mobile, PLEASE, do some sort of browser detection and stop loading those bloated flash ads if the user is browsing with a mobile device? The site takes a good 3 minutes to load via EDGE, and it's all because of the ads. Yeah, I know there is a mobile specific site, but I prefer the rich content of the full site. Google text ads are your friend.
It looks just great for me, I never maximize any windows because I like to be doing many things at once and it looks just great as it is.
And since I'm on a Mac hitting maximize only makes it as big as it needs to be to fit all the elements and not a massive page of whitespace so it's still not a problem :)
Don't forget the other end of the spectrum-- people on really small screens!
Fixed width will just mean another page I'll avoid browsing on the eee.
Yes, absolutely. The variable width makes it possible for me to browse engadget on my libretto!
I browse Engadget at three different widths: 1280 at work, 1440 wide at home and 800 wide on my Eee. Fixed width would really f-up my user experience.
Why should widescreens be a problem? Does someone actually use browser in fullscreen on larger displays?
Only Windows users - as far as i can tell.
I'm a mac user and I put safari/firefox as wide as they will go. I only leave room for the dock to pop up in.
Whats so hard about expose / apple key+tab?
my subnotebook is only 1024x768 so I can't really say. It works ok though.
I wish you'd get rid of the changing feature thing on the upper right though, it's very distracting when trying to actually read content, much like a Flash ad would be if I weren't using Flashblock.
Use Adblock
yeah, I could use Adblock, but do I want to install a passel of utilities and settings for every site I visit? Next there will be counter measures, so I'll have to install AdBlockBlockBlock.
Eh, all you have to do is install Adblock and Filterset.g Updater and you'll never see ads again. There is no "passel of utilities and settings" for each site you visit.
Adblock:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/10
Filterset.g Updater:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/1136
Or if you use Safari, just install Safari adblock and you'll never see ads again. Again, no settings to mess with other than just enabling it...
http://safariadblock.sourceforge.net/
Splunkster, thanks but actually I can't be bothered. Metaphorically it's like putting a bag over someone's head and that's not very nice, plus you put enough bags on the body and what are you left with. I'm not that much enamoured of Engadget, so I'll let the irritations pile up until I stop using the site, or maybe it will get better.
We've recently slowed down the carousel so it should be less distracting. We'll soon be adding a pause button, too.
thanks Ryan, I did notice that, and the fact that Engadget editors contribute to (engage in) comments. It the site editors would feel less compelled to make some kind of snarky (and 99% of the time ill informed) "joke" about each posting I'd be less ambivilent about it.
I think that "carousel" dumped huh off at the wrong stop.
i prefer the old one... Whichever that one is, i cant remember :-/
I don't get it... when I maximize my browser window I get an inch and a half of gray border on each side of the content area. The content never expands to cover the entire width available.
Variable width means that it only takes up a percentage of the browser width, unlike fixed width, where it takes up a certain number of pixels. If they only made it 90%, it would only take up 90% of the screen. Not the whole screen like you were saying. There is a gap because Engadget doesn't use 100% width.
No I'm saying it's just variable to a certain limit. If you expand (or shrink) your browser width beyond a certain limit the content are does not expand or shrink anymore with it.
So I'm not understanding why they say it's a problem for people with wider monitors, it still never goes wider than a certain width.
It's worse for me. It doesn't vary at all. I can expand the window to full-screen width and the text column stays exactly the same. If I make the window narrower than the text column, I get a scroll bar.
So I'm not sure how the the site is "variable width" in any way at all.
Using Firefox on a 1024x768 screen.
Why not fix the space (or lacking thereof) between the image and the text once and for all? I can't really say whether you're blind or dense... (and no, I don't care what browser you've optimised the site for).
Just add an option that get saved in a cookie and be done with it.
Right now, it's perfect for me. The ads get clipped out on my Nokia N800. :3 If it gets variable width, I'll have to scroll alot. D:
Why not a variable with limits?
I agree with this guy. Listen to him, Engadget!
Eh.... Variable width would mean that it fits in your small browser window. Fixed width would be what cause you problems
Unless the fixed width provided some sort of unintended functionality. I dunno. Maybe something like excluded the ads because they get pushed off to the side of the display on his mobile browser.
Same here, 2560, firefox. And no, I don't see text in the middle, I just resize the window for the best fit (around 1280).
I'm into variable width, but it just gets TOO wide. Cut it back some.
I mean I'd love it to be variable like in 1280 being widest possible. Thats half of my screen, perfect for browsing because no pages are wide enough not to fit in. And I can still put 2 pages side by side comfortably (product comparison).
Yes, it looks horrible when it gets SUPER wide.
CSS max-width property, anyone?
I see it all in Google Reader. So it doesn't matter much either way.
I say fix the gallery instead, by putting the ads at the bottom.
I think the best option is to use variable width with a maximum of, say, 1200px, so people with tiny screens can read it while keeping some structure in wider screens. Im not sure, but i guess that wider than that makes articles look ugly, since they're like 3 lines in height, but extremely wide...
Not sure thou... I guess you'll have to change it (at least for a limited period of time) and then ask the readers...
Isn't there a way that you can make it variable but only up to a certain size?
Maybe that would be an acceptable compromise?
Yeah, thats what I meant. There is the "max-width" option in css stylesheets.
Yes, CSS has max-width - and min-width. So you can create a variable layout and put reasonable limits on it if you want.
Ahh.. nice.. someone mentioned it.. that was the first thing I thought of.. then I thought of the poor IE users who have to deal with shoddy CSS support.. then I thought.. hey it's Engadget.. most readers probably use another browser anyway.. then I thought.. the poor people stuck in workplaces that limit you to IE..
I think too much..
tldr: but yea.. max-width is a good compromise imho..
Here is the solution I think would be best... and its easy to implement...
http://www.alistapart.com/articles/switchymclayout
Its standard and flexible... boo-yah!!!
@RadiantGX: Easy apart from the fact you have to create several different designs and test them all... Plus it won't work properly for anyone who disables javascript.
Engadget works nicely with variable-width pages and a sane maximum width. It'd be a shame to make it fixed-width, because if you made it readable on 1024*xxx the advertisement columns would dwarf the content.
I prefer the variable width setup. When I design a website I try to make it look good and adapt to the size of the browser.
Any chance of using my background and foreground colors for the site instead of your own? I'd like that.
....but remember with those, it's both or neither.
(post edits would also be nice)
a quick tip for large screen owners:
you'll probably be squinting when reading anyway. I usually enlarge the text on most sites (firefox cmd/ctrl and + --- in FF3 it remembers the magnification for specific sites), and images get enlarged, too.
"I'm down with the mega-wide -- leave things as is!"
Huh? Mega-wide? No, I just never maximize windows. Why would anyone do that?
Variable with, all the way. That way I can have whatever width I feel like for the 'gadget window.
you using a Mac?
most people in Windows maximize every window because it's nearly impossible to be productive at all with that mess of a windowing system. (unless you reduce it to effectively just show a single window at a time, IE, maximizing everything.)
I'm a bit confused here. Engadget already appears fixed to me? If I stretch it past a certain point, white borders just appear at the side, but the content doesn't get any wider.
There's a reason newspapers don't write their columns all the way from left to right expanding an open layout which would relatively equal the space on 2560 wide monitor, it's too difficult to wrap back to where you were. Hell, it's too difficult to stay on the line you're on. Just because the medium has changed doesn't mean the basic rules of typography and legibility have changed.
The best scenario would be to write a page that created small columns across the screen as you stretch your browser. But that's difficult and cumbersome.
Have it be variable up to a certain width and then make it fixed. That is what a friend is doing for a site I just finished designing.
that's what it is now.
Hmm, I haven't noticed it stopping. I'm on a 1280 px width MacBook running Firefox 3 RC1 and it just seems to keep expanding and expanding for me.
It looks as if it's already only variable width from 630px wide to 900px wide, where it stops expanding anyway... so it doesn't really seem like making it a "fixed" with would change all that much.
than again, i just resize my window to the width i want if i don't want the text stretching all the way across the monitor. I think this would really only be an issue for Windows users with their need to maximize everything.
hehe...