WWDC 2008 is Monday at 10:00AM PST / 1:00PM EST, set your alarms
By Ryan Block 
posted Jun 5th 2008 3:38PM
posted Jun 5th 2008 3:38PM
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Steve Jobs WWDC 2008 keynote - live coverage
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El WWDC empieza este lunes 9 de junio a las 10:00 PST USA... ¡prepárate!
What time to post the GO AWAY note on your door on Monday, the 9th. (Leave more time zones in comments!)
07:00AM - Hawaii
10:00AM - Pacific
11:00AM - Mountain
12:00PM - Central
01:00PM - Eastern
05:00PM - GMT
06:00PM - London
07:00PM - Paris
02:00AM - Tokyo (June 10th)
Also, how do you want us to write this thing up? We usually do the latest updates at the bottom (so it reads like anything else -- top to bottom); at Macworld we polled and did newest updates at the top, and a lot of people told us afterward that they preferred it the old way. So, what say you?
lol, tied at 1-1-1 right now
lol, its 2-6-1 now
I have an inside source who says there will be NO 3G iPhone update. Repeat. NO-3G-IPHONE-UPDATE. They have inside information. This is a trustworthy source. They did say there will be LOTS of SDK information for the current iPhone. This source is to be trusted.
Juice is tasty. Very tasty, but comon I know AppleJuice won't dissapoint me.
Well for one there is no such thing as a 3G software update, 3G is the radio.
NO UPDATE ON A 3G IPHONE.
Don't really give an ass crap. If it's interesting I'll read it if not, I'll just move along.
"Newest updates at the top, please."
I won't be coming to Engadet for updates because of this. Impatient teenagers wanting it right here and now, I'd much, much, much rather scroll down and see it develop as I go. You know, reading as well as looking at the pictures. Yeah, reading the actual words. Imagine that!
@Juice: to be frank, you should go f*ck yourself.
@Juice: also, go read the patent for the new iPhone.
Juice, there has to be because of all the European carriers picking it up. A non-3G iPhone would get lackluster sales over there, I would think.
didn't know Paris and London share the same time zone !!!
maybe it's a plus in Steve Jobs RDF to unify certain time zones...
Little mistake there, 6pm GMT = 7pm London, were on British Summer Time over here at the moment
Whoops, my bad, didn't actually think to check the time calculations. Its actually 7pm London, 6pm GMT
There is no mistake - it's correct. NYC is 5 hours behind GMT and the West coast is 8 hours behind GMT. USA is also on DST.
Gosh Phil, stop giving out the wrong info - twice! Get an iPhone so you have world clocks or install Qlock on your desktop! Ryan please change London back to 6pm which is the CORRECT time.
7pm for London is correct. But it's 6pm GMT.
ok..
10am Pacific Time is 8 hours behind the UK.
1pm Eastern Time is 5 hours behind the UK.
6pm UK time is what time it is on.
5pm GMT, but i don't think that anyone is actually using GMT right now
7pm Paris, as they are GMT +1 and Daylight Savings.
How hard is it?
@Phil & Sarig
Stop giving out the wrong info. It doesn't matter what summer time, winter time, disco time, party time is. At the end of the day, when it is 10am on the USA west coast on Monday the 9th of June - the time in London and the rest of Great Britain will be 6PM NOT 7PM. Anybody getting on at 7PM In England will have missed 1 hour of the conference. Thank God Mark is awake!
Nobody is using GMT it is DST. So Ryan needs to remove GMT and put London in its place.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?day=9&month=6&year=2008&hour=13&min=0&sec=0&p1=1160&p2=136
ok.. can I urge someone at engadget to copy and paste my little post below.. then the times will be CORRECT...
07:00AM - Hawaii
10:00AM - Pacific
11:00AM - Mountain
12:00PM - Central
01:00PM - Eastern
05:00PM - Reykjavik / GMT
06:00PM - London
07:00PM - Paris
02:00AM - Tokyo (June 10th)
I hear you Mark! With world clocks/time zones being a feature on phones, software and websites, it baffles me how so many people are still reading it all wrong! Here is a fixed time for when the conference opens in San Francisco on Monday. 224 world clocks - so now nobody has any excuses to be late to the party.
Time is fixed on Monday, 9 June 2008, 10:00 San Francisco time
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=9&month=6&year=2008&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p1=224
Can we add New Zealand?
0500 (June 10th) Wellington
Cheers.
Where is the "I could give a shit less about WWDC" option on the poll? I feel cheated...
do you see that little 'x' button on the top corner of your browser?
yeah, that one. it should work
You cared enough to click on the title and comment ;)
Please newest updates at top.
7 PM: Copenhagen/Stockholm.
If you could give a shit, then I can assume that you do give a shit.
The correct way to say it is couldn't give a shit.
/gramma nazi.
Kaiser:
1) Since you're taking the English language so literally, offering fecal matter to anyone is impolite, so it would follow that giving a shit would convey the author's discontent for the subject at hand.
2) "I could care less" and its derivatives have been accepted into the American English vernacular for a while now. It's an idiom, and while one shouldn't write "I could care less" in a formal publication, it's perfectly acceptable to do while, say, commenting on a blog post. The fact that you understood the author's original intent is enough to justify its effectiveness as a statement of dislike.
Werd.
Staying off Engadget all day Monday.
@John
what's even funnier about "i could care less" is that people use it to imply they dont care about something, yet literally it means they do care, because they could in fact care less than they do.
I'm trying hard to care but this news just can't pierce my shield of apathy.
@John
Is it safe for me to assume that you couldn't care less about the degradation of the English language? Personally, It irritates the hell out of me when people misuse our native tongue. Just because a misuse of something is generally accepted, that does not make it right.
Take for instance, racism. At one point in time, it was generally accepted. Did that make it right and "ok"? I know that the two things are entirely different and one is much more excusable than the other, but the principle is the same.
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=9&month=6&year=2008&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=195
There!
"Whatever, set your alarm clocks because we'll be there blowing it out live."
Just don't go overboard with the postings.
The 7-10 for the iPhone SDK was just plain silly. And try to post some other stuff that is going on as well or else all of those people that dont care for this will be in that thread to troll everyone's ears off.
I think during the Keynote post it newest on top, then at the end of the keynote reorganize it was newest is on bottom.
Please give us the option of newer things at the bottom. I don't want to start reading halfway through the keynote and have everything spoiled. The order is so much a part of the experience. Kinda like opening up the stocking stuffers before moving on to the main course of the Christmas presents!
@Ti
Most people will be at their computer starting when the keynote starts (a lot, including me, will be here earlier). We will be reading from the start and refreshing constantly. The issue here is everytime we refresh, we have to scroll to the bottom of the extremely long post to see if it's been updated yet. If the update is at the top, no scrolling. Just make sure you're on time and you won't start reading in the middle. :)
I'd prefer newest on the top cos that's the way I'm used to since you inform about the newest gadget at the top, too.
What did you vote for? Wait, I guess you voted for...
I Know I'll get low ranked for posting "I was the first."
Wrong post. This was directed @ DMG
during the event put newest on top and later make it the normal way?
or is that too much for u guys?
Why haven't you guys got an AJAX system for liveblogging yet?
i was the first to vote for the updates at the top!
so do you want a medal or something?
Your forgot to add one thing to that check list. Apple logo condoms. looks like the WWDC is going to be an Apple orgy of products.
I'm sorry but because you posted that I have to photoshop that.
It's far too hilarious to pass up.
Standard format please!
Ehh Leo and the crew over at Twit / PixelCorps / MacBreak / MacBreak Weekly think is 9AM PST. Has it changed?
After all this time ... haven't you figured out how to post into an RSS feed?
no! it is 6pm London!!!
as PST/EST is on DST, they add an hour on, it is still only an 8 hour time difference!!!
can't you add.. 10am + 8hrs = 6pm
M
Actually, the times in the headline are wrong since we are on Daylight Savings Time here in the US of A. So it should be 10 AM PDT and 1 PM EDT.
Sorry, pet peeve. Looking forward to the coverage.
PST != PDT, we're in DAYLIGHT time, not STANDARD time, gawd almighty how I really REALLY hate how people mess this up, especially when you try to correct them and they are all flippant and act like it doesn't matter...uhm...yes it does, PST is 1 hour different vs. PDT, if it doesn't matter, try showing up to work 1 hour late during a time change, then tell me it doesn't matter!
*SNARL*
BlueScreen is right, the headline should be changed to PDT and EDT.
Many people seem to use PST and EST in all instances when referring to these time zones. I imagine most people who do it aren't even aware that during daylight savings time you are supposed to use PDT and EDT.
Common mistakes that unfortunately causes confusion when people try to convert times to other time zones, as proven by all the comments here.
Can you guys stream a live feed? I feel like that would satisfy the masses.
*REFRESH*REFRESH*REFRESH*REFRESH*
Why don't you have a button at the top that a user can change their preferences? You should have that for any page with multiple updates such as WWDC!
I would actually prefer each update in a separate article, that way I'm not having to hit refresh all the time, and it comes right up in my RSS feeder... It's the right thing to do.
booooooooooooooooring news, really
I have to agree. Sorry Ryan, not trying to be shitty. :D
Ryan,
How come you guys don't do podcasts? You guys have the best rumors. You and BG rock!!
Finland: 20.00
I remember the server crashing a bunch at MacWorld... it'd be awesome if there was a system that
1) allowed us to pick top or bottom, and;
2) refreshed automatically as new posts arrived.
If you could do this, it'd make almost everyone happy! (The rest are probably people who are never satisfied).
"(The rest are probably people who are never satisfied)"
Like your mom.
I don't care what order you do it in, just PLEASE keep it all in one article! I don't wanna have to go through 3 pages of apple news to get to something interesting...
We're currently in British Summer Time in the UK at the moment, which isn't the same as GMT. The Keynote will be starting at 6PM UK Time.
dose anyone know if there will be a live video broadcast from the apple event
There is not.
Newest updates on top.
This is the age of AJAX. Please use dynamic web page updates. I hate refreshing or scrolling to the bottom.
It starts at 5pm GMT which is 6pm in the UK/London because of BST.
How come other live keynotes on Engadget don't come up with the newest updates on top option?
So!!
They're going to talk about how they're the innovators of 3G and Mobile wireless in general.
why would i ever choose "just don't go down!"
What if it was a man?
You guys really don't have this down yet. Take a look at how MacRumors does it. AJAX or something. I would imagine all that refreshing takes a huge toll on the servers, MacRumors learned that years ago.
Thanks for the armchair quarterback theory, but there's absolutely no difference given the way we're set up. When we go down it's not because we aren't auto-refreshing or anything like that. In fact, auto-refreshing would likely only cause additional load.
Can you guys just give me a call as it's starting? I don't really want to have to read anything AJAX, top, bottom, or otherwise.
True story about the hardware announcements. Don't get too excited about a tablet or an MID or whatever. This will be all about the new iPhone and the additions to the SDK based on the new hardware, Me.com (aka .Mac) and how it will integrate with Macs and iPhones seamlessly, and OS X 10.6 and how it will build a great structure for more seamless integration between the iPhone and a Tablet and/or MID that will bee announced at Macworld (right around when 10.6 is rumored to go live). You heard it here first.
5am NZ Time I thinks?
Ive already scheduled the day off work...so Ill be camped out at the Chandler, Az Apple Store hoping the 3G goes on sale immediately.
Anyone wanna join me?
Can I opt out of updates and maybe move this to the TUAW site?
so this will cover ipod touch/iphone firmware 2 right?
Top-down is the natural way to read. Also, I hate having things spoiled by seeing the new stuff at the top and having to find where I left off from the previous refresh.
I hope Steve Jobs gets up on stage, pulls out a revolver and blows his brains out... ...actually I don't, but at least it would be of interest, unlike new iPhone firmware.
I immediately apologise for the the extremely poor taste of my previous comment. I did not wish to imply that I had insider information as to a imminent firmware upgrade for the iPhone. I am very sorry for any harmful effects this may have had on Apple fanboys (raised heart rate, semis...)
I'll be in school.
I'm guessing that you don't really have a BMW then?
I'm older than you think...
3G iPhone........YEAH BABY!
Who's buying?
Let me refphrase that...who's not buying?
lol
rephrase*
I feel i could take time out of playing with my new samsung soul (it arrives tomorrow) to check this out.
Who ever mentioned a mid range desktop ? isn't that called a mac mini ?
New macbook/pro ,iPhone 3G (no matter what the "insiders" say its the logical time) Maybe a tablet, maybe a macbook nano who knows but it'll definitely not be 10.6.
I'm hoping to see a tablet MacBook/new MacBook Pro's, or Aluminium MacBooks.
10:30 AM IST!
ok.. my third ever post is to urge someone at engadget to copy and paste my little post below
07:00AM - Hawaii
10:00AM - Pacific
11:00AM - Mountain
12:00PM - Central
01:00PM - Eastern
05:00PM - Reykjavik / GMT
06:00PM - London
07:00PM - Paris
02:00AM - Tokyo (June 10th)
I only hope he's done in time for the Netherlands v Italy match. Hup Holland Hup!
Can't wait to push that F6 button.
WOO!
Probably the iPhone's 2.0 firmware. It was supposed to be released in June.
Not sure why his question was low-ranked, maybe he wasn't sure?
This was in reply to darkwooly's comment. The reply button doesn't always work well, STILL. Geez!
5AM local McMurdo Station Antarctica time...
Why not have two links, one new at the top, one new at the bottom, so everyone's happy, or give people the option to switch the order of the updates? Come on, you're a tech blog, it shouldn't be that hard!!