Now that the BlackBerry Bold's made its
official North American debut, there's a lot of talk about a video Mobile Computer did of the Bold getting blown away browsing head to head with an iPhone 3G over WiFi -- but there's a slight problem there: the Bold was actually using 3G and EDGE. Yeah, that's not a fair fight -- and given how flaky the iPhone 3G's data speeds can be, it actually reflects quite well on the Bold. Head to head on WiFi, the Bold does seem a tick slower, but we'll let you judge that for yourselves -- videos after the break.
Read - BGR browser vid
Read - Mobile Computer browser vid
The original Mobile Computer vid -- note the lack of a WiFi icon while browsing.
The Bold browsing the same sites on WiFi.
posted Aug 21st 2008 1:22PM
I knew that looked wrong. Yes, the iPhone loads faster, but not that much faster. Bastard fanboys!
Not that much faster? Lawl, the iPhone kicked the shit out of the Blackberry. And the result is 50 times better, more rapid on iPhone. The iPhone totally humiliates the blackberry on all points. The iPhone looks even better. Easier, smoother, next to, per, fec, t
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@ PIMP ( somehow I doubt that) Give me a break....The iphone is a good phone and so is the bold. Both have there advantages...the Iphone lacks a physical keyboard and a removable battery. Those are two things the BB does better not to mention push email is far better (and secure for that matter) on the BB....The iphone is a good phone, so is the bold...let it be
Not that much faster???
On the original test, the iPhone loaded the page in 35 seconds. In the "debunk" test, the Bold loaded the page in 59 seconds. That's still a difference of 24 seconds! And the page was viewable (thus somewhat usable) on the iPhone (though not fully loaded) very quickly, while the Bold provided nothing but a blank white screen for 30 seconds.
The new video does nothing to "debunk" the test other than to prove the Bold is slightly less sucky at Web browsing than originally shown.
"Bastard fanboys" indeed.
@From My Cube
How is the push email using Exchange on the iPhone not secure? Then again how is push email on a Blackberry MORE secure? I have both, a new 3G and a BB Pearl. If want to talk about security RIM has access to ALL blackberry email if they need to access it for some "Homeland Security" reason.
Also how is Push email on a Blackberry better?
"How is the push email using Exchange on the iPhone not secure?"
Because Exchange is the suckiest biggest POS ever conceived? And the Blackberry push e-mail is _THE_ standard for secure push e-mail.
I love my iPhone, but _HATE_ that they licensed Activesync. They should have licensed Blackberry like palm.
I will not get a Bold after watching that. but will not get an iPhone either due it's poor job of doing email.
1st and foremost, it will be a work phone. So pretty iPhone looses. I need EMAIL. The other features are just nice, not needed.
It looks like I will be waiting on the next gen BB, or possibly a new HTC phone. HTC seems to be kicking both BB and iPhone in features...
Let's face it, the iPhone had to be faster than something, however I can change contracts and batteries much faster on the BB bold than the iPhone. The iPhone may be a better phone but Stevie can kiss my a$$ before I sign up for an 18 month contract with no choice of provider, a closed application model and no chance to replace the battery.
@sycks, to answer your question about BB security. BB encrypts ALL data from one BB to the other. everything in between is encrypted. This might be an overkill for consumers, but business and government users definitely love that. Push email allows the process to be more responsive. iPhone basically checks email for you every 15 seconds, which means it could have < 15 seconds delay. I personally don't really mind waiting extra 15 for an email, but i guess some people do.
@sycks, o by the way, like i said, BB encrypts all data in between one BB to the other. RIM could access your data if they want, but not even RIM can decrypt it and read its contents. Of course, home land security might ask RIM to hand over your data, but they won't be able to read its contents either.
for the record, Quix (reply #3), you're totally right.
100%
"Debunk" my ass.
Why does anyone care about the minor differences in speeds? That's hardly an issue compared to the real problem here!
The Bold's screen is TINY compared to the iPhone. I don't care if the resolution is the same, that hardly matters when the screen is SO FREAKIN' SMALL! It's hard enough to read a standard paragraph without having to scroll horizontally on the iPhone's 3.5" 480x320 screen. Now just imagine how tiny text will be on a screen almost 1/2 the size!
I do like the style and design of the Bold though, it looks like the best Blackberry model now. And the interface certainly is good looking, although I'm not sure how consistent and intuitive the user interface is. The fake chrome plastic is pretty lame however.
@Adam - Not to interrupt your rant, but it is 24 months, not 18. You may now get a little more mad...
I like the Bold features, but I think that I will wait to see how HTC's version of Android OS turns out. It's is only two months away and with the release of the Bold by then, we will hear the good and bad of BB's phone.
Besides, Android's Open Source is the best source for appz (iPhone users won't understand "Open" platforms).
The iPhone is still far faster - not just a little faster. Not to mention, the iPhone 3G is at least 3x faster than the Bold from my experience, and yes it is consistent.
The lack of a physical keyboard is actually a benefit of the iPhone. Not only does this allow for international keyboards, but when I had the blackberry, it would get sand or other dust in the keys and some of them would not work, especially the ball roller - not an issue on the iPhone. I don't see any benefit of a physical keyboard. The biggest problem with a physical keyboard is the number pad on the blackberry; it's impossible to figure out how to dial phone numbers that are written out, like 1-800-my-apple. But the iPhone keyboard changes depending on which application you're in. So if you simply want to dial a phone number, you get a large number pad WITH the alphabet under the numbers.
The removable battery is also pointless for 90% of people because removable batteries just require extra space and are far heavier. My battery lasts at least all day, and most people have access to a car charger or wall charger all day anyway in their car, office, or home. I'd rather just plug in my phone than keep switching out the battery throughout the day. According to reports, the blackberry only beats the iPhone's battery life by minutes anyway.
Ok, let's do a bit of debunking myself here.
1) Security. Exchange's "push" email is not in fact a push. It's a poke-pull method. Your phone (not just iPhone) keeps a constant connection through your firewall to the Exchange server. When New email arrives, the Exchange server sends a notification down this open channel, and your phone pulls in the new email. This means that the sys-admin would have to keep this hole open in the firewall for all inbound traffic.
Ok, let's do a bit of debunking myself here.
1) Security. Exchange's "push" email is not in fact a push. It's a poke-pull method. Your phone (not just iPhone) keeps a constant connection through your firewall to the Exchange server. When New email arrives, the Exchange server sends a notification down this open channel, and your phone pulls in the new email. This means that the sys-admin would have to keep this hole open in the firewall for all inbound traffic. This security risk (even if it is a small one). And the messages are not encrypted while in transit or on the device (I think MS has changed this now, so they do some sort of encryption while in transit..). BlackBerry email is a bit different. The BES and Exchange server are generally in the same WAN of your company. The Exchange server notifies the BES of a new message, the BES picks it up, and sends it out to the BB network (open hole in the firewall, for a single computer going out, and it is an OUTBOUND connection only). The BB network routes it to the cellular network then to the phone. The message is encrypted from the moment the BES picks it up to the moment the handheld receives it. There is also the option to have it encrypted on the BlackBerry while it's stored.
2) Multiple browsers on the BlackBerry. This is and isn't true. The BlackBerry has a single browser, but uses different configurations to determine how it looks, what features are enabled, what connection method to use, etc. These are also user configurable. You can completely turn off images/javascript when browsing over EDGE/3G, to save on data charges (not all carriers in all countries offer unlimited data) and have your WiFi connection set to show everything. You configure these once, and never have to worry about it, it'll automatically switch. I phone allows some configuration, but won't save it as a configuration for that connection method. If you have limited data plan, each time you go out of WiFi coverage, you'll have to manually turn off features.
3) Reliable 3G connection. A lot has been said in the news lately about the iPhone 3g's call drops when switching between 3g and EDGE (fringe 3G coverage or not) whereas the Bold will not drop your call when you move out of 3G coverage. You'll notice that even in the first vid when the guy was on GSM, he had a flaky signal, but the Bold still went from 3G to EDGE without issue. Although I will admit it was a bit slower, even in the WiFi video.
4) Screen. The iPhone screen is bigger. Same resolution. My personal opinion is that I prefer the crispness of the smaller screen, but others will prefer the bigger screen. This is a personal preference...yours will probably be different.
5) Touch vs physical keyboard. I'm torn on this one. I really like what Apple has done for it's virtual keyboard. I don't think any touch keyboard will come close to it for a LONG time. But I prefer a physical keyboard...although I prefer the Curve's keys to the Bold's keys.
6) Interface/UI. Apple wins this one hands down. After all, they've been doing UI's for a LONG time, and they have made some really nice eye candy.
7) Removable battery. You try telling a busy exec that he's going to be tied to a wire for his phone for a while multiple times a day while his iPhone charges.
8) A2DP. BB has it, iPhone does not. I like my bluetooth headphones for music. Pair this up with the audio gateway that RIM sells and you can litterally walk home from work with wireless headphones, step in the door, and have the music continue on your home stereo. And since it's wireless, you can carry your BB around to change tracks, pause music etc.
So there's my rant. You can do with it what you will.
Zro
@ Zro
Now that is what I call debunking and not just repeating what I said and adding your personal opinion. I was unaware of the poke-pull method that ActiveSync uses, it does however use SSL though, AES or 3DES would be much better, so we do get some form of encryption. It is however almost instantaneous when testing the device. All other email features that I have ever used on the BB are on the iPhone EXCEPT "Mark all as read" I do miss that option, though I can live without it.
Also I do not use Exchange as I feel it is the worst application ever developed with the best lock-in I have ever seen.
As long as its faster than my Pearl, I'll be happy.
The Blackberry Bold will have to be...bold, in order to beat the iPhone! :D
Why does it have to beat the iPhone?
Why does ANY phone have to beat the iPhone?
I use WinMo because it fits my needs better than the iPhone. It doesn't mean I consider beating it. I'm sure the loyal legions of blackberry users out there may think that the iPhone is neat, but also doesn't fit their needs.
This relentless wasting of time trying to compare anything to the iPhone is stupid. I'm glad I have a life and only responding to this during my lunch break.
How could it beat the iPhone?
How could ANY phone beat the iPhone?
I use the iPhone because it fits my needs better than WinMo. It doesn't mean I consider beating it. I'm sure the loyal legions of Windows users out there may think that WinMo is neat, but also doesn't fit their needs.
This relentless wasting of time trying to compare anything to the iPhone is stupid. I'm glad I have a life and I'm only responding to this during my lunch break.
I c wat u did der!
Oh that first video is bull shit and I don't own a blackberry or iphone.
My windows mobile is faster than the iphone with opera mini.
For god sakes, you can hear the GSM feed back in the audio. The least they could have done was turn off BOTH phone radios!!!!!!!!!!!
except you can't - YOU have to have 3G on the Bold for wifi to work.
Same with the iPhone. The only way to have wi-fi active without the GSM radio on is to remove the SIM.
Who would record a side-by-side race with so many variables? It's like comparing two bicycles to each other, but one of the bikes has square wheels.
...and the other bike had Lance Armstrong on
Bullshit comparisons to the iPhone that try to make everything else look like junk?
Say it isn't so!
Maybe instead of trying to make RIM look bad, Apple and their team of cheerleaders could explain why there are still so many serious bugs in the 3G.... not to mention why the 3G is still lacking basic features like Video, MMS, etc, which every $20 phone has these days.
except the Bold browser sucks to use and the screen is too small
Except they're both running the same resolution (480x320) which sucks pretty hard for the iPhone given that it has a 3.5" screen to work with.
Yeah, it sucks for the iPhone. I hear people complaining about the iPhone screen all the time.
"Oh, I can't read it. It's only 160 dpi. Where are my reading glasses and ear trumpet?"
You don't get it; the reason it sucks for the iPhone is that even though it's got the nice big display, it's the same pixel count; you either display the same amount of text (but it's bigger), or to display more text, you have to make everything chunky. For a handheld screen, 160 dpi is kind of bad, but not because people need reading glasses, just because it makes text ugly with big fat pixels, which all the goggles in the world won't help.. Until you get used to reading on a 225 DPI display with all fonts antialiased, you won't get it.
You need an ear trumpet to read?!
they still make ear trumpets?
@benson: bullshit. 131dpi is considered "High DPI" for winmo devices.
160dpi is GORGEOUS, and still FAR higher res than most the crap out there. sure anything higher would be great, but i'll take a 3.5" 160DPI screen ANY DAY over a tiny little 2" (?) screen.
i'm happy to admit that 225dpi is cleaner than 160, but if you really think, at this level (150dpi+), that having the SAME resolution on a screen half the size is somehow better, you're out of your mind. ...or you're one of those "feature-list" idiots who thinks numbers are more important than *usability*
What... the fuck.
That site has just lost ALL credibility in my eyes. You can see the signal strength icon that is plainly evident in the other vid.
Either they're stupid or it was deliberate. Either way, no credibility.
lmao, tipical anti-apple fanboy,
you just got beat by the iphone, how does it feel? it stings doesnt it
The site loaded was full of java. Now I don't think that the iPhone browser supports java. That could be something to do with the speed difference...
"anti-apple fanboy" is a really, really stupid meme. just sayin'
please... please dude watch the vid. are you going to tell me that the bold browser is better than the iphone's ?
be honest.. cmon, stop hating apple and tell the truth.
I'm not saying that the iPhone browser isn't better. Just that the test isn't fair.
Retards.
iPhone supports java to a small degree, but the iPhone was running off of WiFi and the Bold was running of of 3G then it switched to EDGE in the middle of the test. so the way i see it, the test is not credible.
why does this matter?
WiFi helps it. Yet It's still slower than the iPhone or Touch. It's still ugly. It's till too small of a screen image. The UI is still terrible. Nothing gained by enable WiFi on the Bold. Very sad for RIM users.
Why doesn't the BBB use wifi when it's available instead of 3G/EDGE? Huh anti-Apple zealots? Answer that one. Lame ass fanboys.
Yeah, I wondered that too. Why not use Wifi automatically? Just seems logical to me. Time for a firmware update?
Ya, the first vid was pretty off, but still, the second vid...it didn't seem that much faster did it? It still took forever for the Bold to load that page even on wifi...sure it was faster than the first vid, but not that much faster
Ummmm, in the YouTube video the Bold is pretty damn slow too.
Fanboy journalism at it's worst. Why are we giving Apple a pass on the horrible launch of the 3g Iphone (mobile meh screwups, activation servers crashing AGAIN, cracks, dropped calls, 3g reception, apps crashing, ect.)? One or 2 missteps would have been forgivable. All of these together means they rushed release.
The iPhone on the right was a first generation 2G iPhone connected to Wifi. Nowhere did it say they were comparing 3G speeds... Who's overreacting here?
I agree they rushed release, but not by much. MobileMe should have been refined and released at a later date. I think it was a case of Apple spreading themselves too thin. Not every product is released perfectly the first (or 2nd) time. Many people considered the launch of the ps3 a mess (and rushed), but here we are over a year later and there is no denying that it's a good product.
I feel that when *anything* happens regarding the iPhone, it receives significantly more coverage. You can thank the hype machine for that one. Furthermore, it's Apple, who people either love or hate. And second, their only phone. Look at list of mobile phone manufacturers, and you'll find that each one has an equally long list of different devices.
Ok, so about 30 seconds on the iPhone, and 60 seconds on the Bold. Both using Wifi.
That bold is not holding onto a signal for the sake of life.
I don't think the word "debunk" means what Engadget thinks it means.
word.
Inconceivable!
did you yahoos even watch the video? the top video shows that the Bold is in fact on wi-fi. it's great UI just doesn't show the wi-fi connection in the menubar in the browser app. in the second video thw wi-fi indicator is in a different location, so clearly the two phones are running with different software or settings. great job engadget! i guess you'll have to make yet another post debunking the debunking.
Ha! Looks like you fanboys sure got...ohhh.
Nevermind.
THERE IS a wifi icon on the blackberry in the mobile computer test. It's engadget that's messing up here, you can clearly see it before the web browser starts is loaded. I can only assume that as it's a UK model in the mobile computer test it's a different UI
Shame on Engadget, once again the anti-iphone bias strikes.
The Bold still looks pretty damn slow for WIFI!
Why? Because the Bold has not been set up correctly! It has been put to manually connect for sure. I can do the same to my curve. The top video is not on Wifi. Look in the corner! It shows it using the cell signal. In the bottom, WiFi. Grey WiFi signal mean it detects Wifi but is not connected. It is not an on/off situation as the iPhone/iPod Touch. Black means connected, Grey mean on but not connected and if not there, not on.
As far as I can see the symbol in the mobile computer video is exactly the same as in the second video, it's not greyed out at all. This engadget article is BS and they need to either post a clarification or a retraction.
I'll happily wait an extra 20 seconds for a site to load on the Bold for proven stability, reliability, true push email, copy/paste, Blackberry Messenger, RIM's habit of releasing software updates including major new updates for ever (I just put OS 4.5 on a 8700g), voice dialing over bluetooth and on and on.
I completely agree that the iPhone is the best mobile web browser on the market, hands down. For everything else though it plain sucks monkey's balls.
"Everything else" eh Havoc? Everything else??? Oh really. Like, say, music, video, photo albums, 3rd party apps, games, etc.? And not that your historic anti-Apple ranting would effect your credibility in any way, right?
Enjoy your 20 second (* X) wait. I'll enjoy my speedy iPhone that can't voice dial over a Bluetooth headset (that you probably wear all over town looking like a tool). Sounds like we each own the best device suited to our needs.
If wearing a bluetooth headset while driving and having the ability to use voice dialing over the BT headset without having to touch/look at the phone makes me a tool, then so be it. At least I won't be fumbling with my phone just to make a phone call while driving.
BTW, out of curiosity do you work for Apple or do they pay you? You are perhaps the biggest Apple fanboy I've come across on the Internets. First Digg and now Engadget. Your blind devotion to all things Apple makes me feel sorry for your pathetic life.
Quix you know in a few states using your cellphone while driving(california is one of them) is against the law and voice dialing is a very nice and convenient feature when we have to make a call. So what are you going to pull over take time and make a call so you won't look like a tool?
Some of us don't talk on our cell phones while we drive. Headset or otherwise. We, you know, *drive*.
And right back at you, Havoc, regarding the fanboyism. Your legendary anti-Apple rantings on Digg bordered on stalker obsession (though you paled in comparison with flag564, king of all trolls). Carrying around that big axe to grind must get tiresome.
Just trying to balance out your nonsense.
Is there really anyone going to get the Bold to surf the web over WiFi?
is it really this important to anyone who is considering getting a blackberry device?
It is a must for an iPhone and they better deliver on that huge screen of theirs... what a useless comparison.
You should compare an iPhone to a Nokia N810 for this type of thing.
Comparing it with the Nokia is actually quite fair, since they both use browsers based on Webkit.
So what was the problem? The guy didn't activate wi-fi at all? The Bold lost the wi-fi signal during the test? The Bold somehow switched from wi-fi to 3G to Edge all while loading just one page?
And yeah, the 2nd test seems more realistic. But I'd say that even in the 2nd test, the Bold seemed a bit more than a "tick" slower, Engadget, if by "tick" you mean one second on a stopwatch. Or am I still missing something in these two examples?
Sort of reminds of the Steve Jobs browser speed demo showing the National Geographic website. "Oh, sorry, we forgot to mention that the N95 has flash and we had it turned on so it had to load a quite a bit more data than the iPhone. Oh and that the page was faked on the iPhone anyway because the header wouldn't really show in the iPhone because it doesn't do flash."
I was able to see the top of the page. it loads just like at the show.
The Bold shows Internet Browser which is not using WIFI network at all (Hotspot browser is the wifi browser), and the 3G signal is low and eventually dropped to EDGE, so the comparison is totally BS!
Never had a BB, so excuse the ignorance, but are you telling me that you have to use a DIFFERENT browser if you are on wifi? WTF kind of interface/programming crap is that? Even if the speeds are the same, that is pretty idiotic, you have to admit.
According to the tester he says that wifi is being used but it doesnt show up in the menubar during webbrowsing
Frippe, Wifi is enabled, but not Wifi browser, the wrong browser configuration was used.
@TruthHunter - you're not seriously suggesting that there is a separate browser you have to launch to use a WiFi connection.... are you? that's asinine.
So Engadget, are you accusing mobile computer of outright deception? Because he clearly makes a point to say that it is in fact connected to the WIFI but the UI does not allow you too see the icon while the browser is running.
so yet another video that shows how much the Bold sucks at browsing the internet. thanks engadget!
oh and the fact that you need 2 browsers, one for 802.11b/g and one for 3G/EDGE just equals more fail.
oh and BOTH videos show "Internet Browser" being used.
The first video is obviously BS.
But if the Bold's browser can cache more than a single page at a time and can go for than 5 minutes without crashing then it's got the iPhone's browser beat. Safari is a fast browser, but it's a resource-intensive desktop browser that consistently runs into the memory limitations of the iPhone. With its constant reloads and frequent crashes Safari is quickly becoming a browser I can't depend on for much.
Ok. That might be the case that it isnt using wi-fi for webbrowsing.
But that only shows one more thing about the Bold. It is extremly stupid. Having wifi enabled but it not using it for data makes no sense for me. What would you use wi-fi if not for data?
If this is the case, even if the Bold was twice as fast in webbrowsing as the iPhone it would still be a worse phone.
Frippe, it's customizable, you can choose the default browser for different data services, god knows if this guy changed the settings.
@TruthHunter
You're only proving what a shitty user experience web browsing on the BlackBerry is. The fact that there are two separate browsers - one for Edge/3G and another for WiFi - or that you need to configure what the browser uses is such an unbelievably stupid implementation that it boggles the mind. It only shows how completely RIM just "doesn't get it" while Apple "gets it."
And what exactly is "it" that RIM fails to "get", while Apple succeeds?
Is "it" possibly that the kind of people who are going to buy a Blackberry usually have a base knowledge of technology, and would not experience a great problem with a new device's learning curve?
or is "it" the idea that most iPhone users are like most Mac users; Expecting everything to work perfectly out of the box. Lost if it doesn't?
I don't think so. I prefer having to struggle a bit with a new technology, to learn from my mistakes, as it were. I've lost count of how many times friends and relations have come to me with techno-issues, after something that's been working perfectly for however long suddenly stops because of some insignifigant setting change. They've had no idea what was wrong, because they've never bothered to look past X-application and find out about how to actually USE their device. As a result, things that take me thirty seconds of handling a device to fix takes them much longer, and often not at all.
And just to clarify, Certainly not just iPhone users, but they seem to be much more prone to this kind of thing.
Ok, what's all the fuss. Obviously the test is flawed whether on pupose or not. Web browsing is a very small part of each of these phones. Each has their own market and personally I don't see much overlap in those markets. Business users who need to be successful use bb's, everyone else can have an iphone toy. One thing is for sure, the iphone screen looks very dull next to a bold. Noone uses the built in browser on bb's either, that's what opera is for and yes it would be a lot faster plus give you the zoom in/out ability silimar to the iphone.
Anyone notice on the original video, at around 2:07, the audio picks up some of that classy interference from the iPhone? Sure, it's faster, but I've lost the ability to hear.
You mean the interference most GSM phones have? My wife's Curve and my iPhone both cause interference if we put it next to our old CRT TV.
That could be from either phone. My wife's Curve is worse than my iPhone
I've never heard the GSM interference from my iPhone...
actually my girlfriend's RAZR would buzz my speakers from over 15' away. After getting her an iPhone, i haven't heard it ONCE since.
I'm thinking it may have been the Bold giving off the interference, but that's just anecdotal.
...interesting you just blamed it on the iPhone for no real reason though...
This proves nothing!!!! unless it is side by side... THIS guys WIFI connection could be faster then the other englishmen.
Agreed, this really proves nothing. If this was to truly debunk the mobile computer video, you would need both phones and show visibly the Bold loading faster in relation to the iPhone.
Or the mobile mag test could have been flawed but this kids network is butt slow. **shrug**
Wow. Both of those phone browsers are slow loaders. Funny thing is they're equal to the speed of the PlayStation Portable browser from over three years ago. I thought they would be a lot faster. On a side note: the PSP has flash (the iPhone does not).
Why would they be that much faster? Browser loading isn't just about reception, its about processor power as well. Maybe the PSP has about the same processing power dedicated to browsing as the iPhone or Bold?
All the iPhone haters on here need to take a chill pill. We are comparing mobile browsers here. The iPhone has already demonstrated that it has gained more mobile browsing market share than any other mobile phone based on mobile phone page visits to websites. This isn't due to the fact that there are more iPhones in the wild than any other phone. That's not the case at all. It's due to the fact that browsing the web on the iPhone is a much more pleasant experience than just about every phone on the market today. People with iPhones browse the internet way more than people on other phones. This says most of what you need to know. I don't think it's because iPhone owners have a better understanding of what the internet is and are therefor more likely to surf on their phone. It's more likely because most other phones don't leave end users with a pleasurable enough experience to want to surf the web that much.
Man, you'd think the iphone had sex with engadget's girlfriend. What happened to the iphone love?
Anyway, 1st vid clearly states its on wifi, second vid doesnt look that snappy to me either. Meh
... are you blind... have you ever used a BB before? if not, then you are unclear about anything at all. If you do, then you've never used it right...check your mobile bills. The browser banner CLEARLY shows the browser is using the crappy 3G network that eventually dropped to EDGE.