The much-anticipated,
well-expected MINI E -- the first all-electric MINI -- is headed our way before you know it. BMW's built itself a decent performer, offering 204 hp of electric motor in a setup quite similar to the Tesla. The car boasts a 150 mile range off its 35 kWh lithium-ion battery pack, can hit 62 mph in 8.5 seconds, and does a full charge off of an included high current charging station in a mere 2.5 hours. There's naturally a regenerative braking system on board to help beef up the battery in city driving. BMW plans on leasing 500 of these to commercial and private customers in California, New York and New Jersey sometime early 2009, and Europe might get a crack at the car soon after that. No word yet on when we'll see this car ready for the masses, but perhaps we'll get more info when the MINI E makes its "debut" at the LA Auto Show next month.
posted Oct 18th 2008 6:01PM
sweet!
i would start saving up for this
DUDE i know! im gonna be 16 soon. i am SOOO saving up for this
WANT!!
*ahem* yes. this is a good product. I believe that...screw it, i WANT IT!
If it cost less than or equal to $30,000 I would get one in a heartbeat. $60,000 is just way too uneconomical.
agreed. I was considering the Dodge Challenger. But if this is commercially successful and they produce them for around 30k. I'll have no problem getting one as my next vehicle.
Not to mention the BMW priced maintenance. Say good bye to the fuel savings, you'll just be giving that money back to BMW instead.
the mini is the perfect eclectic car. to bad they are going to be rather pricey i bet
I'd pull you to pieces for your typo but somehow the word electic is just as fitting. Albeit only in this instance!
@Samboini - You fail because you had a typo yourself.
is your name pubeless? + 1 internetz
O the irony!
This is going to get so much fun!
Obama is going to make it so that GM, Ford and all those guys product 100% electric cars within months.
Tata Motors, French and Italian car manufacturers and others should be able to make those cars starting at $5000 each.
Also, they should include 5-minute quick high voltage recharge technology so that once there are recharge stations spread around the world using this same quick high voltage recharge technology, people can have an Internet connected GPS system in the car showing them the closest quick recharging station.
Of course the electric energy can come mostly from Wind and Solar within the next 4 years.
Within the next 4 years? Do you know how much planning it takes just to get one renewable energy plant up and running, let alone a whole infrastructure to support a country's thriving thirst for electric vehicles. Tragically disillusioned mate.
You're right I forgot obama is going to nationalize all the car companies...how could I forget its all part of his socialist plot. I also like how you pull random numbers out of your ass. "These companies can make "X" for "X" dollars because I say so." You are so ignorant it isn't funny.
I also love how most people buy into Obama's BS on car makers. Lets help out American manufacturers (i.e. his union $$ he gets). When in reality American companies put the jobs overseas and the foreign companies he bitches about make a superior product HERE with AMERICAN parts and labor.
hahaha he tries to use Obama in almost every post look at his history. I guess he thinks Obama is going to be the all-knowing, all-powerful leader of the freeworld, technology, corporations, reproduction, morality etc...so sad...
anyways, finally an attractive electric car not made by a shady company.
It's proven fact, most energy needs can be made from Solar and Wind within 4 years. All you need is the time it can possibly take to make a mass production industry to mass manufacture wind and solar hardware fast enough.
There is absolutely no time required to know where those solar panels and where those wind mills need to be setup, we know exactly where it makes most sense to set them up. And also to retool the electricity grid network to make it more usable for a solar and wind energy system.
$5000 per car is not some invented number, it is actual fact of what it costs to manufacture a car. The electric car engine is NO WAY more complicated or more expensive then the old fashioned gas powered car. The only reason current electric cars are expensive is cause they are not mass manufactured. BMW is only hand making 100 here and Tesla a couple hundred there.
The Lithium Ion battery might cost about $3000 on top of the cost of the car, but that battery can be leased out by a new Electric Car battery industry that also makes sure to manufacture the batteries in the most environmentally friendly ways to recycles them as much as possible.
It is also a proven fact that everything can change very quickly, it is only the question of political will. To take away the trillion dollar revenue from OIL industry and give it instead to a trillion dollar new solar, wind and electric car industry. It only takes a few handshakes and a signature to change things around.
To be fair and to keep things in perspective, what Sen. Obama envisioned and expressed is a time-frame for energy independence of 10 years, so even he recognizes he won't be president when and if it finally happens.
Charbax I understand where you are coming from, but as it currently stands 'renewable' energy plants are taking more power to construct then they will ever provide over their lifetime. I don't want to piss on your parade, again, but get your facts in order. Don't get me wrong though, i'm all for solar, hydro et al, but unfortunately they are still not advanced enough.
Samboini, that is just not true. The investment for building and setting up a wind mill is recouped in LESS than 5 years. This is proven fact, just visit Vestas website for proven facts.
Farmers are making more money setting up wind mills in their fields and selling the generated energy at market value for electricity then growing food on their fields.
Solar panels are exactly the same thing. The cost per kWh generated using Solar panels is paid for within 5 years, that is at the CURRENT solar panel manufacturing prices. Some silicon valley companies sponsored by Google and others even have cheaper solar panel technologies that can pay for themselves in less then that amount of time.
So simply from a totally basic cost perspective, it simply does NOT make sense not to build and setup as many wind mills and solar panels as possible.
The ONLY reason we are not doing it yet is cause there are private energy MONOPOLIES that control energy today, they have their own last century sources of energy which they have complete control over. And by having that control on ressources, they can control the prices, control revenue and control profits. So the only reason we are not powered by Solar and Wind yet is cause unlimied free and clean p2p energy economy would totally remove those corporations complete control on energy sources.
Let's bring you back around to reality Charbux - while I wish that were all true, you have to make people REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE before they'll change. Things aren't uncomfortable enough yet. I personally think that barring any shortage of raw materials, every new edifice should be required to install solar panels. Can you imagine the effect of that? That'd be cool, selon moi.
You totally have drunk the Kool-Aid.
Keep in mind it was political enforcement for manufacturers to produce a set percentage of their cars to be zero carbon emission that killed EV-1. If you force businesses to produce more than demand, they'd rather kill off a new venture. What leaders can do is to create awareness, which would lead to demand for these new business ventures, which will be the only drive to bring them to reality.
On the legal front, governments can, and should, enforce production of any goods to a standard that's cleaner for the environment. But they shouldn't force businesses to produce certain goods, it'll be a big mess.
Nah, EV1 was killed when California politicians were corrupted into removing that law proposal which would have provided "a set percentage of their cars to be zero carbon emission".
EV1 was GM doing tests preparing for that law getting into effect in California. Cause noone would have been allowed to sell cars in California without providing that set percentage of clean cars.
Same thing is going to happen and will become national law under Obama, look forward to it. These are the percentages of 100% electric cars that any car manufacturer will have to produce to get allowed to sell any car within the US or EU, otherwise car manufacturers that don't comply will be fined in extra taxes, giving a huge advantage to car manufacturers that comply and do provide the electric cars. In return, the state will provide recharge stations everywhere. On top of tax breaks on the actual electric cars and for the owners of electric cars.
Following are percentage of Electric, Hydrogen or Clean Ethanol cars that will have to be provided under Obama's clean energy law propositions:
2009: 1%
2010: 10%
2011: 30%
2012: 50%
... riding the Obama BS express.
stupid people think Obama is going to rain money down on them if elected president.
"And also to retool the electricity grid network to make it more usable for a solar and wind energy system."
And this is a simple thing? I recently went to a lecture here in Los Angeles where the environmentalist was decrying the fact that we don't have solar panels on top of a lot of LA roofs and pumping energy back into the grid since we've had almost nothing but cloudless days since summer. Well guess what? It's not that easy - you have to retool the ENTIRE grid from the street level to the fundamental backbone level in order for the grid to be able to handle these micro-insertions of electricity. On a national scale you're talking about getting electric companies to basically overhaul their systems that have worked for years and years, the only reason being (from a business perspective for them), is that they will end up paying their customers rather than their customers paying them. And if they wanted to resell some of that solar energy, you can't just say "here, come take some" to a part of the grid halfway across the nation, you have to transport it there which has it's own problems due to inefficiencies - basic equation is just Ohm's law, Voltage = current times resistance and just trying to get everything pumped across the country isn't that simple.
What you're talking about is really just nationalizing the power companies - what's next? I'm not saying that solar and wind are bad things I'm just saying that it's impractical until we improve infrastructure on a national level - not just power either, but (in general) also Internet backbones, highway management (we STILL haven't fixed 2-hour long commutes?) - anyone who lives in Southern California knows that traffic is a PITA, the obvious fix is just to build more lanes above/under the existing highway as express lanes except for a) environmental impact studies b) other red tape and most importantly c) the ridiculous amount of money it would take for such a thing. But this is important, it much improves things in the long run before everything shuts down - using the highway example, if there is an accident then the express lanes above and below can continue running easily whereas today people wait on the highway for hours and hours while they're bottlenecked.
The solution for California is getting much better public transportation systems. The best solution would be a huge personal rapid transit system: http://cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/13/tech/main4518448.shtml
It'd be much cheaper then anything else.
Retooling the grid to support solar and wind is not very hard. Google has investments in that. Basically you just upgrade it to work like an Internet network, and you store huge amounts of energy generated overnight by wind or during the day by solar in those Electric Car batteries and Electric car high voltage recharge station batteries. You can then, on-demand take also that energy from the parked cars.
It's not very expensive at all. And yes, I think the energy companies should be nationalized, just as banks should be. Energy is for the people, it's not for corporations. Especially when the energy is made from natural resources or when it pollutes the natural resources.
Not very expensive to create mass transit systems? Not very expensive to rewire the power grid?
I'm sorry, but you're out of your focking head. Do you know what that kind of labor costs in the US? I'm not saying I don't think it would ever be done, but no government in the United States should ever be responsible for that kind of project these days. Low ball contracts and shoddy craftsmanship run amok in this country. Per example, residential Boston will be the last place in the country to get Fiber optic of any kind because of the cost to replace the existing infrastructure.
And here is the other thing that I think you're failing to put into perspective. Implementing an across the board installation of current wind and solar technologies precludes alot of advances in technology from ever seeing the light of day since there isnt a demand. If it you were to stage it out over 15-20 years, it would allow you to replace the oldest technologies with the newest. Doing it all at once is just ill conceived and impractical. The unfortunate thing about humanity is that few people think beyond their own lifetime.
You are an idiot.
That "personal mass transit" shit may work in Denmark or wherever you are from, but there is no way in hell a system like that would ever serve a large enough part of the US to justify the cost of building. The only cities that use mass transit big time in the US, imo, are the big eastern seabord cities and the big west coast cities. Flyover country has little use for mass transit in any form just because of the huge commutes between places. For example, no one actually lives in Dallas (im sure some do lol). Every morning, thousands drive in from one of dozens of suburbs to come to work. While mass transit in Dallas is starting to get slightly more popular, mainly because of fuel costs, it just doesn't make sense to the people who are not on the rail line or bus route.
And no it will not be cheap. Not everything you propose is cheap. In fact most of it is way more expensive until technology drives the cost of production down.
lowdef, you are the idiot.
Just read up on Personal rapid Transit systems, they cost $10 million per mile to make that includes everything. It's about 40 times cheaper then rail and 100 times cheaper then subway.
The main reason people use cars is cause they have a specific place they want to go to and come from. That's why you would have Personal Rapid Transit systems in cities and in densely populated suburbs. between those are a rail line. You can also just drive your car only to the train station. That train which takes you to the Personal Rapid Transit which takes you exactly to that block you need to be at in Dallas.
Smoke another.
@ Charbax:
Wow, these Obama nuts are even more beholden to unicorns and pixie dust than I thought.
Electric cars within months? Broad-based wind and solar within 4 years?
Naivete You Can Believe In! (TM)
P.S. why don't we just power our cars with rainbows and happy thoughts? Screw solar and wind. That's old school.
wow, look at the comments in autoblog, so... civilized
hahaha wow. clean exchanges of questions and answers. I did notice one such exchange on an article here the other day. Quite a rarity.
Lord, I'm looking forward to the electric revolution. If for no other reason, just to end the ugly sight of soot-covered roadside snow banks every winter.
Gas cars don't produce soot. You think it's Diesels making all that?
I think it's road dirt and tire bits on those snow banks. Things that won't go away with electric cars.
I find it kind of odd that dark snow is your main beef with combustion engine cars...There's plenty of other reasons that affect the world on more than an aesthetic level.
Dirt + Snow = what you are seeing, not soot covered snow...
gas cars and diesel cars both DO produce soot, just on a (hopefully) low level.
HC+CO+Soot+NOx = internal combustion engine emissions
"It's even mini-er than I imagined!!"
...I love Scrubs...
"It is also a proven fact that everything can change very quickly, it is only the question of political will. To take away the trillion dollar revenue from OIL industry and give it instead to a trillion dollar new solar, wind and electric car industry. It only takes a few handshakes and a signature to change things around."
How old are you? Holy hell, get some perspective. We get at most, as of 2008, 1% of our energy from wind. Wind is not subsidised, wind costs $3-5 more per kilowatt hour. Do you realize that government is a lot more than handshakes and a signature? Do you understand how massive the oil lobby is? Do you understand that you cannot PROVE that "EVERYTHING CAN CHANGE QUICKLY?" that is just such an absurd statement I am still laughing. Europe has been all over wind since the 1970s and it still provides under 25% of their energy (either Germany, Netherlands, or somewhere else idk)
Could you point me to a link with a $5000 electric car? The tata you mention is a shitty ass combustion engine car.
"There is absolutely no time required to know where those solar panels and where those wind mills need to be setup, we know exactly where it makes most sense to set them up. And also to retool the electricity grid network to make it more usable for a solar and wind energy system."
Of fucking course there has to be research done. You don't just say, hey its windy here lets build a multi billion dollar wind farm. You have to jump through all kinds of enviromental hoops and impact studies. You are looking at a 2+ year window BEFORE you put a single turbine online.
That was a reply to Charbax
Wind or solar energy would be a good way to meet the U.S.'s energy needs but the main problem with it is the amount of land that you need to make this energy. Have you ever seen a field of solar panels or wind turbines? They are absolutely huge and then you look at the amount to energy that is produced; until they become a lot more efficient it just isn't a feasible energy source.
Fact is, a little windy country, where I live, called Denmark, as managed to cover 20% of their electric energy needs with Wind in the matter of less then 20 years of really limited political will. Sincev 2001 though, Denmark has a corrupted by oil right wing conservative prime minister that pals around with Bush the terrorist, so since 2001, Danish wind % has been lowered. Thanks to the oil pumping neo-cons.
There is absolutely no research needed to start installing Wind and Solar in the USA. The American Universities all have already full research done and they know EXACTLY where to put the wind mills and solar panels right away. And the scientists and engineers know also exactly how to change the electrical grid to optimize the use of such Solar and Wind energy sources.
FACT is solar and wind energy is TOTALLY 100% free after only as little as 5 years after installation. That is counting the actual value of the energy they provide based on the current unsubsidized energy costs. FACT is maintenance costs using modern solar and wind technologies are minimal and have no significant effect on long term solar and wind costs.
FACT is from a purely economical perspective, not building as much Solar and Wind energy today simply does not make any sense. Of course that is unless you are working for the current OIL, GAS and Coal industry, then for sure, for your revenues and profits, moving over to Solar and Wind simply doesn't make any sense. Since Solar and Wind is not going to be controlled by any one corporation, but instead installed and controlled by thousands of companies, built and setup by thousands of local governments and counties, since the long term profits from Solar and Wind are not going into one corporations pockets, but instead will be shared by the whole population.
Basically it means that within 10 years, 100% of energy can be not only clean, it can be totally free and basically unlimited.
I just looked at my most recent electric bill. I buy wind from my local electric utility, and out of a 35$ monthly bill, about $2.50 of that is a surcharge for wind above and beyond the basic cost. That's 0.8 cents (yes, cents) per kilowatt hour extra. You're about 3 orders of magnitude off with your claim regarding the additional cost of wind. Care to clarify?
When lowdef said that it wasn't subsidized he meant on a national level. Wind power may be partially subsidized in your district.
Anyone who prints 'fact' in capital letters is in no way strengthening their argument.
It can only get works with the addition of exclamation marks.
my bad guys at the national level it plays out like this:
"Cost per unit of energy produced was estimated in 2006 to be comparable to the cost of new generating capacity in the United States for coal and natural gas: wind cost was estimated at $55.80 per MWh, coal at $53.10/MWh and natural gas at $52.50."-Wikipedia (lol)
I'm all for more wind (Im from TX btw) but this Charbax or whatever guy has no idea what he is talking about...
The fact is the actual price of setting up the wind mill is recouped at unsubsidized energy revenue in less then 5 years in pretty windy areas. Putting a price on that Wind energy after that is pretty much meaningless.
Basically wind power after the initial investment for the hardware, is basically free and unlimited.
After those 5 years, you might once every 20 years have to do some slight maintenance, but that is in no way going to cost anything significant.
Solar and Wind is not only clean, it's basically free natural and unlimited energy.
Now that is an awesome car :D
Why the effing hell has it taken them so effing long to create an electric car you wouldn't be embarassed to drive in?
ehem....
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/26/california-man-builds-his-own-solar-electric-vehicle-good-looks/
@patriotsn1
LOL :P
a mini just pulled up beside me...
You know what cracks me up? These stupid f&@$ing car companies doing tests like this to we if consumers like them. Like it takes a Harvard grad to figure out people don't like paying for gas....
"gee thompson, does the rear arch show consumers want electric cars that don't need gas?"
"well after we have spent five years and millions of dollars on market research, it turns out people are pissed about high gas prices! Who knew?!? So yeah, we think we might sell a few 150 mile range pkugin 2.5 hour charge minis!"
I WANT the American manufacturers to fail because of their stupidity. That volt better be pretty freaking cool.
I don't think he should get downvoted for being frustrated with American car companies. Toyota starting kicking our ass 35 years ago after the oil embargo in the early 70s. They were complacent and powerless to do anything while they got clamored. I must add however I really think that American manufacturers have stepped up their game in every way: reliability, gas mileage, and design. I've seen cars carrying Ford logos that made me do a double take recently because they actually looked good. While I'm sad to see our car companies struggling, Toyota has done well by us in terms of making affordable, reliable cars, and doing it in the US with American employees. In the end I think the best will be for both of them to survive, because now that American car companies have up-ed their game, Japan and Korea will innovate even more to compete creating a competitive environment that leads to good things for us - the consumers!
I think they need to give me one to test in the Arizona desert heat, it's not a dry heat when it makes you sweat so much.
I hate to be the kill-joy but we've seen this senario played out in "Who Killed the Electric Car". They know there's a market for the EV why not just sell it? Instead of 500 available to lease, make it 5000 available to buy and move forward with more production based the first year's data. How are we as consumers expected to commit to electric vehicles if the auto makers are only going to dabble in it?
Aside from my gripes with the leasing, I think this would be a great if it were available at $35k and would sell well.
RB beat me to the punch. All you who are excited about this, I hate to burst your bubble, but they are playing you.
Read closely: LEASE.
Then go rent "Who Killed the Electric Car?"
Im all for 100% freedom from Oil,coal or any other form of fossil fuel. The only problems I have with the Mini and most electric cars are :
1- Most of the Minis and that other electric car comp(sorry can't recall the name) are not made for poeple that are taller then 6'5"(trust me i been on both duringt the NY autoshow and it was hell.
2- If you are a family men or plan to be you can't fit your family and groceries there
3- Also those eletric cars are not so visible to trucks or SUV's so not a good idea to drive then from state to state.
Aside from that I'm in favor of Fossil Fuel Independence.. Go Obama
Am I the only one who thought this was Google's Android car?
yes, ur alone
Is this modeled after the prototype that was not endorsed by bmw? Wonder if it has hub motors?
I'm sure this will be expensive as this is BMW engine afterall. Their basic is close to 20k, their extended Clubman is close to 30k, so I'm assuming this would be close to 40k or above it... I must say that 204hp is a lot more powerful than their supercharge or their turbo engine... and that's not in JCW edition.
HOARY NEW JERSEY. Oh God, please no one rape me.
I have to say I was excited when I saw Jersey listed on there too... I'd love one myself, but it depends on the pricing at the end of the day... If they're smart they'll put this up for test drive at the New York Auto Show next year I'd wait on line to give it a drive around the course.
I'm pretty sure BMW are going to change their pricing strategy completely after reading these posts and the $5000 seems to be a going rate for all their models. Oh, BTW, they just started adding BMW 1s to every Happy Meal!
mini M.E.
fixed
the real problem for city dwellers...like me...is where do you plug it in? I have to park on the street or in a garage, which i can tell you isnt equipped to charge my car and when they will be the customer will be billed for it.
Great, now can I get the roof in... no, not a British flag... how bout,
solar panel!
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