Not even a full day after hearing that the
Windows Vista / Server SP2 beta would be breaking loose for select individuals tomorrow, in flies word that a Windows 7 beta could be out and about as early as next month. Granted, this conjecture is far less written in stone, but on the official MSDN Developer Conference website we're told that "all attendees will receive a
Windows 7 Beta 1 DVD." The events are scheduled to run from December to January, and given the whole "attendees at events scheduled for December will have DVDs mailed to them when they become available" coupled with the line we quoted before, it's a pretty safe bet that next month is it. Hang tight, Windows lovers -- your first real peek into the wide world of WinVII could be just around the bend.
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posted Dec 3rd 2008 4:04PM
lets hope its not a total let down...
With that sort of negative attitude, how can you be disappointed?
@Invisiblemoose
how existential of you
...cause I already own a partial let down (vista).
The new GUI looks awesome. I have high hopes for 7
Hopefully microsoft learned from their mistakes...
Let me know when a torrent's available, I want to see this thing firsthand.
my boss/uncle already has it. it basically is vista with a few minor tweaks. sidebar is gone: gadgets just go on the desktop, search has been improved, and there is linux command prompt. and there is one flaw. documents now is personal documents. der da der
Wasn't our first peek the alpha that was released to the torrents some month.5 ago?
WHOO HOO I'm on THAT LIST!
So far, it's quite impressive. Get ready to break out those PIII boxes, like I did.
http://geekpi.com/?p=38
Imagine my surprise when I clicked geekpi's link and found an actual website with information that was relevant to the topic he commented on!!
+1 for you sir.
The sleeping Giant has been awaken and it's going to be eating raw meat for dinner and Apple's for dessert.
:| So, thanks Motoman SDA10 Gourmet-san for the Menu
http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/02/motoman-sda10-robot-shows-off-its-cooking-camera-building-skill/
Bring on the pressure. As a Macboi, I'm cheering for an awesome and early Windows7 so that Apple will make Snow Leopard even more solid. I'm really liking what I'm hearing about Windows7. Simple things like widgets on the desktop will catapult their usability for me. Cupertino, start your copiers.
@nick
Hahaha. Er, no. Unless Windows 7 turns out to be revolutionary then the only impact this will have on Apple is reducing the number of defections from Windows to the Mac OS or Linux. In order to claw back the market share that has been lost Microsoft not only needs to hit a home run with their next version of Windows but they also need their competition to slip up so that their customers will consider switching. This is largely what happened in the 1990s when Microsoft released Windows 95 and Apple, frankly, just went to pieces.
Can't wait...for apple pie...mmm mmm
Great!
I really want to upgrade to Vista from XP SP3. I'm going to wait until Win7 since the specs won't be much more (or any higher) than Vista.
Might not be a major issue, but Ed Bott (Windows blogger) was claiming that you won't be able to upgrade from XP to 7. You would have to back up stuff and do a clean install. Just a heads up!
Right... at the time when Vista got stabilized and people start liking it, comes the new Windows 7. This means Microsoft will bump up the prices for Vista (like it did with XP), and shove the new buggy OS upon us...
Or am I wrong, people? I really like Vista but do not want to be forced to run a new OS.
That's fine with me.
I prefer that way of installing operating systems anyway.
It gives me the ability go through everything installed and then to re-install only the programs I use.
I even re-install XP, previously Win2000, previously Win98c, once a year by formatting. It's like my spring cleaning.
The reality is that most of Windows' problems occur from third party programs and drivers shoving files everywhere. WinXP and Win2000 were first big attempts at separating direct hardware control from third party drivers (prevent blue screen of death and crash).
I'm ready for Win7.
@electromodo
this is actually a smart marketing plan for microsoft. by the time 7 comes out, all the software will be compatible, and since 7 is the same kernel as vista, everything will already work, and people will be happy
@Electromoto
That's right....Ballmer and Gates are going to knock on your door with some hired goons, grab $200 from your wallet, reformat all the computers in your house and install windows 7, destroying all the copies of older Microsoft products in the meantime...
*roll eyes*
Vista was also a pretty big shift to get drivers in to user mode. GPU drivers caused most of the bluescreens, so WDDM shoved them in to user mode.
That's a very significant factor in explaining Vista's stability.
I wouldn't mind trying this out, I sort of bypassed Vista (haven't really felt the need to upgrade.) If only I was a developer.
I read this as saying WinVII, as in you will have total Winvii when I start using this awesome taskbar (not to be confused with another awesome bar).
Why did he get low ranked? Its a moderately amusing pun. Nothing inflammatory.
I've heard better jokes from that guy that unboxed the TAM.
bust out your blue shirts and get em sweaty, it's time for some serious beta testing!
im still running the vista release candidate, its time for an upgrade!
Did you say upgrade? If so, its the Mac that you want!
Neowin is reporting that Beta 1 DVDs will be handed out Jan 13 2009
Microsoft announced that the beta would come in Jan 09 at PDC 6 weeks ago. There's nothing new about that.
You can grab PDC build of Windows 7(Milestone 3 build) from Torrents right now. Then download the Blue Badge tool from withinwindows.com to unlock all the goodies in it.
The new taskbar isn't feature complete in this build(which is why it was locked in the first place) but gives you a good idea at what Microsoft is aiming for.
The OS is blazing fast even at the M3 build. I'm using Vista right now and love that but am REALLY looking forward to getting Windows 7.
i used the Windows 7 build 6801 for full week, but it's too bugy to be used, firefox has so many issue on it, i couldn't even save files form the internet unless i used download manger. the gadget on the desktop have strange behavior , and every time i try to search from the start menu , the windows freeze and some time exolorer.exe crash .... hopefully the beta will be much more stable ....
Windows 7 is just Mojave...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mojave_Experiment
really?
Geez... I was just kidding. You guys are touchy with your Windows!
its not ENTIRELY your fault. it's a tough crowd here.
Oh, I see. How about this?
I'm so excited about Windows 7!!! Macs are evil, and Linux bites the big one. :-)
try not being a douchebag corporate branding addict and you just might find a happy medium.
Yeah - from what I hear it is Vista with a little more lipstick. I really hope that is wrong as I'd like something better than XP but not quite as limited on gaming as Ubuntu. I would love to believe Ballmer learned from the performance mistakes of Vista but he's a pretty thick SOB so I have my doubts but hopes the sweaty bastage got it right this time.
I can't wait to upgrade from Vista, everything is so slooooooooooooooow.
What are you doing wrong? my $450 Acer aspire as4530 fly's in vista.
You must have a crappy computer.
Vista runs blazing fast on all the computers I use at the office which are slower than what I have on my XP Sp3 home machine.
if your computer is running slow then UPGRADE THE COMPUTER, NOT THE OS
@fieldcar
Your mileage may vary. I'm running Vists 64 on a a fairly new Dell Optiplex, Core 2, 4 GB RAM, dual 7200 RPM SATA 3 drives. I have all the security crap turned off, and I turned off all visual effects, etc (looks like windows 2000). This was a clean install, not an upgrade. SP1 is installed, all the patches are installed, and the the
Windows XP Running in Fusion on my MacBook is 20% or more faster at the same tasks than my Vista box, and the box only has 2GB and a 5400 RPM drive.
It may be that my install is flawed, I don't know, but no one at dell or Microsoft has any suggestions on how to make it run fast. I will be doing a clean install of 7 as soon as beta is available - it HAS to be better than Vista.
Any I'm not buying that Vista flys on your Acer. I've seem Vista running on a lot of systems here at work and at home, and the fact is that it is in all cases significantly slower than XP on the same hardware, even with all the security crap and visual stuff turned off. Even Microsoft admits this.
I wouldn't be surprised if the DVD they gave out contains a copy of OSX leopard
I would.
I wouldn't be either cuz Microsoft would want you to compare how much better Windows 7 is comapred to OSX leopard.
O wait... nvm Vista already is better than OSX leopard so no point.
They'd only subject people they realllly don't like to something as horrible as that. Like if someone showed up with a GNU shirt on.
Damn fanboys and anti-fanboys..
None OS is better than the other.. some have their advantages and some have their disadvantages..
Some people like that one over the other..
I switched to OS X last december because XP just didn't give me what I needed.. OS X is just much cleaner, more organized and easier to use for me.. might not be for everyone.. it's called taste you know..
Actually I will be trying out Ubuntu in the next couple days as I am going to build a small home server with Ubuntu..
I might get to like that more and leave OS X..
Once again, taste..
Woohoo! Im so reminiscent of the windows 2000, mE and then finally xp time..... Hopefully we wont have to have yet another over publicized new edition and 7 can fill the shoes of xp.......
I'm quite excited!
Unfortunately, if the Vista Beta is a valid reference, this will be no beta. I'd say that Microsoft Project Management Standards call Beta what should be Alpha code, Release Candidate what should be a Beta and Shippable Product what is really an RC. Only after their usual SP1 is released are the Operating Systems complete.
Sweet, I'm gonna start using this full time from the first public beta like I did with vista. Been using it since Beta 2 when it was still code named "Longhorn."
Anyone know how us normies can get in on the beta action? I mean, without hitting the pirate bay?
and there is something wrong with this...?
Get Gates and Ballmer on the phone, NOW!
Despite what people say, I was impressed with Vista. The improved manageability just from AD was worth it.
With Windows 7, I can only hope it gets better.
And for those who think that Windows never improves... it does! I've been a faithful user since Windows 2.
I can't say I'm surprised that windows has improved since 2.
I really hope Microsoft doesnt screw this one up by allowing ridiculous minimum requirements. They need to require 2 GB RAM as a minimum or they and the brand will suffer when all the people who install it on low resource machines complain about it.
The memory footprint in Win 7 has been substantially decreased. Or so people who have gotten their hands on the pre beta has been saying. So unlike Vista, Win 7 should "theoretically" run better on 1GB of RAM. For those wanting to run it on a 512MB system I point and laugh in your general direction.
I've been running build 6801 as a virtual machine with 1GB of ram, that's really all you need.
Dear god please make it modular. So much is right with Vista, just give us a lil more love.
Since the underpinnings are so similar does anyone know if xp/vista drivers might just work automatically in 7? I need software from several companies that aren't exactly quick when it comes to releasing new drivers, especially 64bit.
Windows 7 is just about as good as they talk about. There a handful of new GUI features that are exciting to play with, and some mouse guestures that make it a new and enjoyable experience.
New movements like dragging up on the task bar icons reveals the "action/sub" menu that lets you acess features like specific folder access of play your music without opening media player (I REALLY hope other companies, Zune Player, take advantage of some of these features). And the other more famous window drag-and-snap motion. Both were a little forgien to my normal movements, but quickly feel normal and quite fun...similar to what i hear from Mac Users when they added multi-touch to the Mac Books.
Windows 7 is great so far with few bugs and is worth enough at the M3 build to be your primary OS. Though look out for sound card driver compatibilty. The sound card in my HP was Vista compatible, but in 7 it says "Not Compatible!!" and blocks the driver from running...this is annoying, but the default windows sound driver works fine.
Engadget, that's some serious date calculations you made there. Thanks for elaborating.
This is actually the first MS OS that I've been excited about in a while. I think the last time was Windows 2000. Vista since day one was always meh. The end result was interesting, but as has been commented on ad nauseum Vista was not fully baked. Don't get me wrong. It has been a hell of a lot more stable then 10.0 when it launched....something Mactards LOVE to forget when they beat on Vista. Yet it has been painful for users who migrated to Vista on day one...who?
Win 7 is to Windows as 10.2 or debatably 10.3 was to OS X. If we are to believe the stability and speed already in beta is is a fully baked OS ready to rock on my quad core Precision laptop that I ordered this week. Bring it on.
To the Mac zealots who are now foaming at the mouth....since this site isn't OS X and you get confused by anything that isn't Apple let me help....the down rank button is over on the right there.
PHAIL. OS X 10.0 is like Windows 8. So good, that its not even up to what Windows will never be in this planet of lifetimes!!!
bakedness!
Here's a tip. If you make sensible statements, such as you just did, then there is no reason to Low Rank you. However, if you describe people in derogatory terms such as "Mactards" and "zealots" then this is deserved. Personally, I absolutely agree with your comment but I'm still Low Ranking you for insulting people.
Dear Engadget, Please do not refer to Windows 7 as "WinVII" ever again.
Thank you.
Scheduled BETA release: January '09. Actual release: January '11.
I wonder if its gonna be available for MSDN subscribers...
I just hope they keep supporting Vista for a few years after Windows 7 comes out. They can't expect every Vista owner to pay another $150 to install Windows 7, even if windows 7 is a major improvement.
The Win7 prebeta runs FAST on my old Dell c521 with it's single core Athlon CPU and it's mere 1gb of ram and a lame 2400 ATI graphic card. WOW plays good on it.
You can tell it's been tweaked under the hood a lot to boost speed.
'all attendees* will receive a Windows 7 Beta 1 DVD'
*and those that visit certain (torrent) sites about 35.2 seconds after people leave the conference
If you go to the right places you can get it in 30s saving 5.2s of your precious time ; )
LOL, Windows 7. And we thought Vista was a copycat.
Who gives a crap. Vista was the worst OS I've ever used. Long live XP, I say.
Bring on the 7!
It's interesting how people just want to stick with xp and move on. When xp came out, it was buggy and unstable, and really insecure. Personally, I didn't think much of it originally. Then with SP2, everyone started loving it that as soon as a new OS came out, they refused to move on. Now Windows 7, and people still refuse to go forward. It would be the equivalent of someone saying that they refuse to upgrade from Win 98 (or was it 95 that was so good?) to Vista because they think Vista is crap. Rather, Vista was a step in the right direction. Yeah, there were a lot of complaints, but when have there not been? Vista was better than xp all around, and just because the drivers from third party manufacturers weren't updated isn't Vista's fault. Yeah, Vista could have kept the same structure to keep compatibility (like 7 will do), but then when do you plan to get those updates in the OS that really matter under the hood? Windows xp is dying and people need to move on.
I would say... some people are just plain cry babies... listening to what others yak yak yak without trying out.
I pity this people... they don't know what they're missing.
I have checked out all I can see is not for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How about you?????????????