Apple WWDC 2009: the good, the bad, and the ugly
By Nilay Patel 
posted Jun 8th 2009 8:57PM
posted Jun 8th 2009 8:57PM
The good
- Current iPhone owners will get iPhone OS 3.0 for free, although some features like video recording and voice control are limited to the iPhone 3G S. It's not perfect, but we don't really complain about free.
- Snow Leopard upgrades will cost just $29, instead of the usual $129.
- The original 8GB iPhone 3G is now only $99 for new AT&T subscribers. That's definitely going to make some waves in the smartphone market.
- We'd have loved to see some external design improvements and maybe some more surprising features that weren't rumored, but overall the iPhone 3G S is definitely in the "good" column -- it's a solid set of improvements to an already very good platform.
- MacBook Air and MacBook Pro (including the new 13-inch Pro) specs have increased while prices have come down, and glory be, FireWire is back on everything but the Air.
- As usual, iPod touch owners are going to get dinged $9.95 for the iPhone OS 3.0 upgrade. Hey Apple -- maybe switch these guys over to subscription accounting as well?
- Let's face it, "iPhone 3G S" is a pretty clunky name.
- Sure, it's nice that the MacBook Pros now have an SD card slot, but losing ExpressCard hurts. And why not a multicard reader? Pro DSLRs still use CF.
- Sure, new customers and qualified upgraders are getting some sweet pricing on iPhone hardware, but AT&T's basically flipping existing customers the bird -- they'll have to pay anywhere from $399 to a whopping $699 to get an iPhone 3G S. You'd think they'd have looked at how many people went from a first-gen iPhone to a 3G and realized those same people would want a 3G S, but apparently not.
- On top of that insult, AT&T isn't supporting all of iPhone OS 3.0's features out the gate: MMS is coming "later this summer," and tethering has been promised but there's no timeline and no pricing information. Thanks, AT&T.
- Sure, it's grand that the 15-inch MacBook Pro's battery now lasts for up to seven hours on a charge and won't lose capacity for five years, but a non-swappable battery on a workhorse professional machine just doesn't cut it for us.
The liveblog
Phil Schiller keynote live from WWDC 2009
Apple's video stream of the keynote
MacBook and OS X announcements
Apple's new MacBook family: non-removable batteries, lower prices
Safari 4 released today, offering 'unparalled speed'
Apple shipping Snow Leopard in September, $29 upgrade
iPhone announcements
iPhone 3G S announced: $199 16GB, $299 32GB, June 19th
Apple's 8GB iPhone 3G falls to $99 on contract
Apple shows iPhone OS 3.0 at WWDC, hits devices June 17th
Apple announces "Find My iPhone" phone-locating service
iPhone apps and accessories
ScrollMotion's Iceberg in-app bookstore announced for iPhone, ready to take on the Kindle?
Line 6 and Planet Waves brings guitar and amp control to iPhone
In-depth / other stuff
Apple digs into Microsoft at WWDC
Video: iPhone 3G S looks the same but it's not, really
iPhone 3G vs. iPhone 3G S: the tale of the tape
Poll: iPhone 3G S or the Pre?
AT&T: we'll offer tethering on the iPhone
Video: iPhone 3G S gets a guided tour
White MacBook last MacBook standing
hmm... getting a micro-step up the mobile phone tech ladder is considered good?....
can we really call iPhone a smartphone? From its specs and price, I don't think it can be considered one, neither can you call the people who pay for one, smart.
I thought it was hilarious how the mood changed on both Gizmodo and Engadget live blogs after the utter disappointment that is iPhone 3GS
seriously, and saying at the end "generally the good outweighs the bad"? give me a break you just dont wanna say fuck you to apple. every manufacturer gets put on blast sometime on this site but apple always manages to get away Scot-free
You know how bands and movies just put up the stars from the ratings?
"'****' - Rolling Stone"
Apple should do something like that for the iPhone 3GS:
"'Only 3 snarky comments' - Engadget"
#1 Steve Jobs wasn't kidding when he said you should expect to buy a new ipod/iphone each year.
#2 I own shares in Apple so I'm still very happy with what they are doing. VERY HAPPY
#3 I own a 3G and frankly, I don't feel the need to upgrade to the 3GS but, I do see the beauty of Apple now selling the 3G for just $100 and giving the current owners something new to buy if they need to replace their own phone.
#4 Apple should have called it something else - the street hype for new Apple products is always strong so I'd have appreciated it if people didn't have to ask me "hey, you got the new 3GS?" sounds silly.
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+1 for asher.
Engadgets balls must be dry after all that apple porn. HOLY $HlT!! video recording for the low,low price of $700??
It's called damage control.
They have been spending half of the day trying to convince everyone why this was the most amazing day ever in the history of Apple, even though all of the sky-high BS rumors like OLED screens and a very special appearance by Steve Jobs didn't materialize. We got senseless MS bashing (Mind you no "CE-Oh No He Didnt" outrage from the editors), Minor spec bumps, and tacky Apple level bragging.
So now it's saturation time until the talking points sink in.
Secondly,
"..on an already good platform."
.Are you fkn serious???
After ALLLLL the BS you wrote, engadget and Topolksy (still needs to get excercise, u look like a lard), thats like saying "It was so good originally thaty it really didnt need an update, but since Apple blessed us with VIDEO RECORDING and RUMORS, lets blow it up and get high off the fumes which vaporize from our new mac power lines."
You guys are low on a new level.
"seriously, and saying at the end "generally the good outweighs the bad"? give me a break you just dont wanna say fuck you to apple. every manufacturer gets put on blast sometime on this site but apple always manages to get away Scot-free"
I doubt we will ever see the "Ten reasons why the iPhone 3GS Misses The Mark" article.
And what about that article from Mossburg bragging about "compelling" features that were supposed to be announced today? If anything that guy needs to explain himself especially since he did it in an article that was supposed to be a Pre review.
I also liked this bit in the Good collumn:
"but we don't really complain about free."
So because it is "free", then we can excuse arbitrary limitations? Can I go back and find posts about free products from "other" companies that were criticized (the Zune software for example).
@asher
Umm....also in the good column, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY IT!
Why are you bitching about a phone no one is forcing you to buy? It's a blog genius...If you don't like the post, use your fucking scroll wheel douche bag!
i must admit, it was a let down, the new pro line up was good, but they should have never taken firewire to start with, and no oled !!!!! wtf .
@ImaYam and @Nohone... +1! Thanks for articulating my frustrations with Engadget and Apple so beautifully.
Hey Engadget, don't you have a sister blog called TUAW to worship the messiah that is Apple, Inc?
Haha, Asher is just copying and pasting their exact same comment from another post. What a troll.
I waited like half the people said on that multiple choice question about the Pre, and now im going to get the Pre.
Apple has disappointed. There are those who said that this day would never come, what do they say now?
i must admit, it was a disappointing wwdc,
no new purchases for me
Engadget - WAKE UP AND SMELL THE STARBUCKS - the iPhone 3GS is a TOTAL disappointment. It deserves to be in the bad column. We waited one year for this? 12 months of hype and all the oohs and ahhs for nothing significantly new? - "been there, done that" said the other phones. If it wasn't bad enough that Apple didn't give us anything great, AT&T sure felt the need to shaft us with their ridiculous upgrading prices. Robbing me with a mediocre phone at a stupidly unacceptable price - seems this will be what Apple and AT&T are good at doing every summer. I'll just take it that next years iPhone will be a lame duck.
.... not even a friggin external design change.. lazy ass and still charging us the same!
Mossburg can go fly a kite too, that guy didn't know jack - hyping absolutely nothing!
Engadget. You are fooling yourselves if you think "the good outweighs the bad". They just gave the shaft to every single iPhone 3G customer on the entire planet. You know, the people that made the iPhone the number 1 best selling phone ever -- those people. They are forcing those people to pay $600-$700 for a phone that is at best a mild refresh.
I don't think you fully understand how big of a deal this is going to be. The proof will be the opening day of the iPhone 3GS sales. If they are horrendous then you need to really examine how wrong you really are.
What about the "Blackbook" when are they bringing those back? It is an epic fail for Apple to only offer ONE color. At least offer your consumers 1 alternative to brushed Aluminum...
You people complaining about the AT&T upgrade are idiots. No carrier gives upgrades before a contract is nearing is end. NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO UPGRADE!! STFU and wait til the end of your contract, you are not entitled! Or, take responsibility for the contract you signed and pay the etf.
Wow, what a bunch of freaking whiners. DOUBLE the processor speed, DOUBLE the storage, more battery life, better camera, same price. Hmm, a 16 GB iPhone for the same price as a 8GB Pre. Yet you tools are disappointed??? Because they didn't redesign the exterior (which is still the best looking phone on the market)? And because AT&T is charging big upgrade fees if you haven't fulfilled your 2 year commitment, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER CARRIER DOES WITH EVERY OTHER PHONE???
Seriously, the Engadget comments section is just a place for Apple haters to wail and gnash their teeth to powder. Pathetic.
Suck it, haters. I'll be enjoying my new iPhone 3GS on June 19 (because *some* of us didn't upgrade last summer - and have finished our 2-year commitments). The rest of you, well, you can wait for Windows Mobile 7 or whatever miracle you're hoping for from Redmond.
@Jeremy. The iPhone IS NOT the number one selling cellphone ever. That title goes to Nokia's lowly 1100 with over 200 million sold.
Good news for Palm and RIM... iPhone 3GS it's going to be here for one year... Palm did the Pre in 15 months (with a very cool OS)... Guys, Palm is now a winner. Apple has not learnt about the Treo-PalmOS experience... tweaking a good product over the years give competitors a huge advantage... and remember that not everyone out there is an Apple funboy,,, I will get my Pre as soon as they sell it in Europe.
And sorry Apple, I am the owner of a iPod Touch and I will never again paid for a software update, 7 Euros???? Again???? For what???? Paste and copy and even more crap apps with paternal control????? Come on, I am 33 years old...
NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
"can we really call iPhone a smartphone?"
A smartphone is a mobile phone offering advanced capabilities, often with PC-like functionality. There is no industry standard definition of a smartphone.[1][2] For some, a smartphone is a phone that runs complete operating system software providing a standardized interface and platform for application developers.[3][4] For others, a smartphone is simply a phone with advanced features like e-mail, Internet and e-book reader capabilities, and/or a built-in full keyboard or external USB keyboard and VGA connector. In other words, it is a miniature computer that has phone capability.[5][6] (Wikipedia)
The iPhone seems to fit some of those pretty well.
You're right, the iPhone isn't really a smartphone. It's more fitting to be called a geniusphone. It's in a class by itself. It turns smart people into geniuses without about 50,000 apps to pick and choose from. You want to take a dump on WinMo users, there's an app for that. You want to pwn Nokia users, there's an app for that, too.
It had been quoted at the WWDC that developers said they would decrease development resources on all other mobile platforms just so they could become rich on the iPhone platform. They believed that it would be foolish to develop for failing platforms such as Symbian and WinMo. They wanted to go where the money flowed like water. Who can blame them?
Why is everyone so pissed? 3GS has new features but so will you iPhone 3G for free! Spoiled, crying babies, need to have it all right now or else you will cry ... till you pass out. Just like the babies do. I was able to upgrade to my iPhone 3G from my original iPhone early but I did pay $600 for the original phone and only $200 for the 3G, meaning no discount on the original iPhone - hence the discount on the iPhone 3G. This is fair to all the other AT&T customers who have to wait to upgrade and dont just get a freebie bc they cry a lot. You want the phone pay for it, you dont have the $$$, well you have to stick to your end of bargain and wait. I know this is a new concept, should have learned this by now.
Think about it this way, the market is filled with touchscreen mobile devices that has better specs, better support and free apps. their tech level is at least 3 years ahead of the iPhone and... still Apple makes their fanbois buy things at current prices. No innovations involved, no creativeness needed, no research needed to be done... and yet, you pay premium prices.
Smartphones are supposed to be able to, well... do it all. iPhone 3GS is barely scrapping past the minimal. And by the time it is avaiable, even if it is today, it is outdated and outclassed. and yet, Apple charge you, the fanbois, an extremely high premium.
Conservatively speaking, they are making an average of 300% on the first model, about 250% on the second and 200% on this current one. That is a very conservative estimate. I suspect their profit is very much higher.
Remember the old days when it used 2 be just "the good"?
:'( they're screwing me, you, and everybody.
Garbage...
Palm Pre here i come...
Agreed, I was one of the people who was waiting for WWDC to see what Apple had in store before getting a Pre. Unfortunately, it was a very long, boring keynote with a very mundane section about the iPhone. Definitely dropped the ball.
Definitely made it an easy decision for me.
Good riddance
Honestly, and I sincerely mean this from the bottom of my heart, but I bet there are about 3 people on this site who give a shit about what phone you have decided to purchase. Perhaps you should add some value to your next comment by telling us what kind of toilet paper you prefer to wipe your ass with.
enz1ey:
awww your precious WWDC disappoint you? HAHAHAHA
I prefer Kleenex Cottonelle Toilet Paper Enriched With Aloe & Vitamin E
I also prefer to use a wet nap for the final wipe to ensure the job has been done correctly
Thanks for asking..
Am I the only one who found the upgrades in iphone 3gs to be exactly what I have been waiting for. A better camera with video, faster processor, improved gps by the addition of compass and not to mention 7.2Mbps HSDPA.
Think ATT will cave under the negative press and speed up with the MMS...
That and the pricing, and the tethering. I'm so mad, like I was so excited to hear that tethering was on the iPhone now but AT&T had to go and not support it. And the pricing. iPhone users already pay a lot as it is, and now they want us to pay even more to get a new one! They should be throwing new iPhones at us.
they might cave in if enough customers rip them apart...you would think they would have the common sense to remember that most if not all iphone owners ditch other carriers to own this phone.. they have nothing to lose in giving current iphone owners the same price as new owners... they already rape us all with the phone and data plans...
AT&T, you suck. You've become fat, dumb, and arrogant.
You also won't be getting any of my money.
Yeah, and the fact that tethering is going to be YET ANOTHER additional charge is just outrageous. You practically need to buy the iPhone plan with unlimited everything to freely use the phone, and that's already close to $100 a month. I guess AT&T hopes the phone with be enough of an attraction itself cause we sure as hell know the plans won't be.
Here here Cassini. I really think that AT&T must hate their customers. I absolutely love my iPhone; and I would quickly and easily agree to a new two year contract at a shot at my *third* one for double the memory and cool new features- but no, AT&T has to ass rape me on the way to granny's house. Great. Now I have to wait another year for my new phone. All I know is, with the way they treat me. as SOON as iPhone exclusivity is abandoned, I'm outta here.
@Ryan LN, you are exactly right. This is going to be a huge problem for AT&T when the exclusivity runs out. AT&T has already reported that many people are leaving their carriers to get the iPhone (I forget the exact numbers). If people don't feel secure with AT&T not raping them they're never going to want to sign another 2 year contract after they wait 1 year for their current contract to expire. I'm pretty sure the exclusivity will be over within the next 3 years no matter what happens so why the hell would I stick around with a company that has shown how little they care about the customers who resurrected their broken company?
I'm really trying to understand why there is so much anger regarding the pricing of the iPhone 3G S. I've been an AT&T customer for 8 years now (actually AT&T, then Cingular, then AT&T again) and have been very happy. And during all that time I understand that the *only* time I can receive contract pricing on a new phone is when I'm eligible for such pricing. Currently I am not eligible until Feburary 2010 - this is true for ANY phone that I might be interested in purchasing. So why should the iPhone 3G S be any different just because I own a 3G now? I might also remind those that the $299 I paid for my 3G was a subsidized price. The way I view it, I don't actually "own" the phone until I have fulfilled the portion of the contract that covers the subsidy, which I understand to be 18 months. So why should AT&T extend me preferred pricing when I haven't even held up my end of the deal yet? I think everyone here needs to enter the real world and understand that the goal of Apple and AT&T isn't to appease fanboys but to make mainstream money.
Just jailbreak your phone, its called pda net...
Bad:
MacBook Air still stuck at 2GB ram
Also, on the removable battery thing, I'd prefer the larger sealed in battery. I've never found a need for two batteries, and the only time mine has been popped out is when it needed to be replaced. Since the new ones can still be replaced, I'm not upset.
Yes, I know some people need swappable batteries, but I'm betting it's a very minor percentage of laptop owners.
Ugly: Total Engadget invasion.
I agree. I don't get what the big deal is about having swappable batteries - you can buy an external one that plugs into the MagSafe port, get over it!
Me too. The only things I've ever swapped batteries in are clocks and remote controls. Phones, computers or other rechargeable things aren't affected because, you know, they're rechargeable. And as for life cycles, I usually don't keep stuff for so many years.
I love how the iPhone users are bitching and moaning about having to pay full price for the 3G S upgrade. First of all, the subsidy on new contract phones is shelled out by AT&T, so it's not Apple's call, they're just the bearer of bad news. Second, it's that way at every other carrier. I have a blackberry pearl with T-Mobile, if I want a new phone before upgrade time, I have to shell out full price. Waah, it's in the contract iPhone users, deal with it.
LOL
Yeah I don't know what everyone is complaining about. Theres a front page article on Gizmodo complaining about the iPhone upgrade prices as well. Don't you always have to be ~18 months in to get the new 2 year contract price on a new phone? Thats how its always worked for me with Verizon. Which is why I always tended to get a new phone every 18 months. This time I was sick of there crappy phones so now I'm in the clear and can switch to ATT, so iPhone 3GS here I come. I realize that Apple will release an updated model in less than 18 months, and I also realize that my subscription subsidizes the purchase price so ATT is completely in the right to make me wait 18 months before they subsidize me several hundred dollars again.
I agree. a contract is a contract. I'm not surprised that they're not allowing iPhone 3G owners to get free upgrades. To be honest, I was shocked and surprised that they allowed the original iPhone owners that privilege a year ago. I went in after that announcement and asked to early upgrade to an iPhone 3g from my SE w810i, and they flat-faced told me no, that I'd have to wait until my 18 months was up. For them to actually be consistent on their upgrade policy this time is actually nice to see. No upper-crust "you bought an iphone last time" freebie.
AT&T is actually giving you exactly what you signed up for. They are allowing you to wait to upgrade, which you signed on the dotted line agreeing to do. I don't see the appeal of someone who complains about that.
Virtually every other carrier will allow you to get a new phone at subsidized price, if you sign a new contract. You can upgrade your phone with no new contract extension after 18months sure. thats why its so long a wait. I got a new i580 from nextel when they came out not a year into my contract for the subsidized price, but I signed up for 2 years.
Now paying double, AND signing up for 2 years is ridiculous. It should be one or the other. Its just AT&T making you extend your contract and forcing you into more. I'd really like to have the new one, and $199 isn't a big deal for a phone every year or so. $399 is though. So if AT&T doesn't back off on this, and I expect they will, they will see their iphone customers drop off. Mainly cuz no one will buy one cuz a new one will be coming and they know they will get raped. I'll wait till my 1yr is up for my 3G and call retentions. If not I'll cancel and take it to Tmobile or go for a pre. To much greed and BS on AT&T's part.
Original iPhone users got subsidized pricing because AT&T did not subsidize the original price of the iPhone. You paid full cost. What was a rip back then was that if you paid the full cost of the phone, why did it not come unlocked (that's how it usually works)?
In any case, this iPhone 3G user will wait until next year to see what rolls around. The last thing I want to do is be locked into a 2-year contract from now if Verizon gets the iPhone next year (unlikely, but hey, weirder stuff has happened).
right on man...wow, it's not like these guys are being forced to buy this thing. It's an upgrade option. You are getting the full os upgrade for FREE. In the phone world you generally upgrade hardware every 15-24 months, and AT&T isn't going to subsidize you if you want a new phone every few months. Has everyone forgotten what a great product this thing was to begin with? it's amazing, and step back and think what it was like before the iPhone. Are you going to scream your heads off next year when Sprint charges you the same overage to upgrade to Palm Pre 2? Relax, don't upgrade and enjoy the FREE software enhancements. It's a great product-and if you really can't live without VIDEO then you're not going to find it on the very problematic Pre. iPhone is loved by it's users because it's a great product. Period.
They should let 3G customers turn in their phones to be refurbed and waive that fee. The 3G is still a viable piece of tech, obviously - they're keeping it as part of the line-up.
I think I was actually really excited for this (as someone who usually doesn't care much for Apple), and I was refreshing the page at work.
I was fine with everything until they got to the BS on Vista.
Compared to the whole day, it might seem like a minor thing, but they really aren't going to win me over by making stupid (and patently false) claims about something that I currently use and like (Vista), and something I might potentially use (Windows 7).
Normally I don't care about or make remarks about advertising, but Apple's entire advertising platform the past couple years has really turned me off. In addition to spreading false information most of the time, they are downright pretentious and passive aggressive to boot.
The iPhone looks great, and I'm excited that the technology is there. I just wish they would take the high ground and boast about their great products rather than try to win new customers with deceitful, vitriolic messaging.
deceitful, vitriolic messaging?
It's humor. They know their audience and I find it quite funny. They did get a huge laugh afterall. Also who cares?
Daryl,
I care, because everybody that I talk to socially or at work, whenever a discussion about computers arises, talks shit about vista (and none of them have ever used it).
It might be humorous, but its not true (and if you don't care for the truth, you're just a bullshitter).
Aw. Just imagine Ballmer running around talking shit and it all goes into perspective. Who cares? You can always pull out that immense market share and wave it around. Ah, right - that was XP. Well, Windows 7 is getting rave reviews so you'll be able to be on the team everyone loves again.
Apple's advertising scheme based on self righteousness by making Vista look bad is getting somewhat monotonous. Just sayin...
@ Ill Trooper
But in the end, that's what matters.
The market share.
It's not about "Who had the most dashing OS to go with their dashing shoes"
It's all about...who is running the market. Who has the most shares.
And Apple...is...not...close!
I totally agree, but Apple's advertising is perfect for their target audience: people who think a certain operating system makes you better than other people.
I really don't give a shit about market share. Unlike shrill fanboys, I just want to use new and exciting stuff without feeling guilty for using what I like. Unless you're a shareholder of one of these companies, there's no reason to be their attack dogs.
Its typical of a fanatic to assume that anybody to the left or right of them is a hypocrite. Ballmer is an idiot too. I don't get enjoyment from using Vista because Ballmer said some stupid shit about Apple, nor do I care that Windows has a supermajority of the market (unless that somehow affects the quality of the product).
Some people like honest brokers. I've been using Vista since it was released... now on 64 Ultimate, and I've never had any real problems. In fact, I've had far fewer problems than I had using XP. Does my particular case mean Vista is generally great? No, not necessarily. But by many other accounts, the OS seems to be the best that Microsoft has created (save the unreleased Windows 7), and all of the complaints I've heard have been generic or factually incorrect (like the memory usage issue).
Just because I use many Windows products does not mean I'm anti-Apple. In fact, when my Sprint contract runs up on my HTC Diamond, I'm going to be shopping for a new phone and the iPhone is definitely in the running, if you consider the price and all of the features.
Aside from its fanatical following, which is a separate issue, the company turns me off when it makes a formal concerted effort to bash another company without any good facts to back up their claims, or outdated facts, or misrepresentation of the truth, or omission of relevant information. What Ballmer says off the cuff is one thing -- he can be a douchebag, and I don't expect that he represents all of Microsoft when he pulls a Joe Biden.
Apple, on the other hand, has shown a clear commitment to "negative ads" in the past few years, by creating a strawman out of Windows products (in the form of John Hodgeman). Now, most people probably find those ads funny, especially if they are already Apple users who don't know that much about Windows.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but as someone with a good grasp of how to use Windows, who enjoys casually building his own PCs and tinkering with tech, some of Apple's claims seem downright ridiculous (and insulting in their delivery).
When it comes down to it, I haven't seen a whole lot of useful comparisons in the past few years when it comes to phone operating systems or platforms, or computing platforms.
I applaud Engadget for their prolific reporting, but I'd humbly request a little more comparative detective work on top of the deep reviews already offered (for example, a solid, quantitative and qualitative comparison between the current flagship phones on each carrier would be great, and very helpful to readers).
This is a really good start to a WWDC. I'm liking the news about the iPhone 3G S.
I was with AT&T way before the iPhones came out and I got the first gen and 3G. I feel cheated not getting the deal like we did on the 3G with the reduced pricing. I'm going to send AT&T a little message. Hey let me get that 32 GB for $300 or I'm going to bitch and moan a lot. And I mean a lot. Then I'll take it up the you know what, because that's how AT&T works. Thanks Apple!
I might try the same tactic. My family has been with Cingular/AT&T since 1990ish. And we have never once left. I believe some customer loyalty would be nice. (:
We paid the "penalty" up front on generation 1. ATT did not subsidize the original
I hate the non-replaceable battery. But honestly it was a bigger deal when the 17" got it than the 15". The 17" is a workhorse machine too and is more expensive than the 15", so a deficiency is even less tolerable there.
What does the D stand for in WWDC????
Developers.
Douchebag
Drambuie
douchebag.
David Duchovney
LMFAO
Worldwide Douchebag Conference
Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
Dumas
Didn't do it right
Dorks
iDiots.
@ Mr.14, what school did you to? Last time I checked the letter i wasn't the same as the letter D. Lol, just sayin'
Relax.
Don't plant to upgrade, even if it cost me 100-200 for the 3GS.
Again, it'll be really bad for AT&T when the gets 3.0 cracked and MMS works on T-Mobile.
Get to work AT&T, you crooks.
"So all in all we'd say that the good outweighs the bad"
Quite the understatement. The Ugly was all "tsk, tsk" AT&T. And the non-removable battery is nothing new.
The Bad: Again upgrade price for touch users nothing new and people refer to their phones as "My iPhone" not "My white/black iPhone 32GB 3GS"
anyone else for "iPhone Speed" ?
Wow, thank God you gave me you opinion on WWDC, I missed it the first 19 times
Also, why is it good that an update to an OS you already bought costs money?
Apparently because it isn't Vista or something.
Something about us having to pay to get an "upgrade" to Win7 comes to mind, but it's Apple. They can do no wrong.
I know you probably won't even read this comment, but would it be too much to ask for an article dedicated to what exactly the iPod Touch is getting compared to the iPhone.
That answer would be nothing.
iPhone: Features that should've been present in first gen
iPod Touch: screwed over, having to pay for yet ANOTHER software update.
Brian - you have a really loose definition of "getting screwed over."
Not that you'd own either product anyway, right?
Engadget has such an Apple bias it's not even funny.
Actually, thats not true at all. They comment on all the big pieces technology, and at this point in time the ipgone 3gs is a big deal. they did the same thing with the Pre, maybe even more so with joshua t. taking it on Late Night. So chill.
They didn't make 12 posts about the Pre in one day
Cos Palm didn't hold a developer's conference for a product launch.. duh.
For heck's sakes.. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ APPLE STUFF ON ENGADGET, SCROLL PAST IT!!
Do you go to the mall and then enter every clothes shop complaining that the mall has a clothes-shop bias?