Hey, maybe that iPod touch with a camera is real after all (video)
By Joshua Topolsky 
posted Aug 14th 2009 6:45PM
posted Aug 14th 2009 6:45PM
Update: And... here's a gallery of new pics.
[Thanks, Kyle and Darren]
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I'd rather have tegra over a camera, imho.
Tegra isn't all it's hyped up to be. Neither is OLED.
Obviously haven't used Tegra, but if you think OLED isn't worth the hype... you've never seen one AND you're just a fanboy.
@Spaceman
Neither is a low res camera and a mic
@Dr. Spaceman: Neither are these kind of cameras. The difference between your comment and mine? I've actually used devices with these kinds of cameras.
Is it true that OLED has a shorter life than LCD? Does this mean the screen loses brightness faster or does it just mean it dies out faster? If were in the process of moving past LCD why don't we pick laser instead of OLED, it seems to be better because the picture quality is as good as it gets and it doesn't wear out. I'm still learning...
The blue begins to fade around 20k hours of operation.
With the powersaving modes portable devices have, you aren't likely to kill the OLED any time soon. The only thing really at risk are TVs, since their whole purpose is the display.
@microlith
20,000/(24*365)...
Who doesn't get a new PMP every two years?
@Scabies: That assumes you have the screen on 24 hours a day every day.Typical screen use(let's be generous) could be 8 hours a day, every day, meaning instead of 2 years you're talking about 6 before the blue begins to fade.
@Scabies
20k hours total operation. So sure, it'll die after just over 2 years if you leave it on constantly. But as I said, these things have power saving modes and the display is not the sole purpose of the device. It'll probably be off more than it's on.
@Scabies
20k hours total operation. So sure, it'll die after just over 2 years if you leave it on constantly. But as I said, these things have power saving modes and the display is not the sole purpose of the device. It'll probably be off more than it's on.
But go ahead and make dumb implications.
Damnit I hate engadget's comment system.
This new iPod touch will obviously have the same innards as the 3G S. Cortex A8, PowerVR MBX-Lite. I've read no documentation stating that this tegra stuff is any faster or better. It's just all tegra this, tegra that, I'm a Zune HD fanboy and I cream my jeans over tegra.
Have you SEEN any OLEDs outdoors? Good luck trying to find music to listen to, surf the internet or use the display at all outside in sunlight. I'll admit, indoors, OLEDs are phenomenal, but since they suck outside, I don't think they have any place in portable electronics.
@Spaceman
here we go again you have obviously never used an OLED screen period! and OLED doesnt look shitty from different angles as most current lcds on current mobile devices look!
now u get low ranked
"Thankfully, the problem's not as severe as in, for example, the Samsung i8510 (INNOV8), whose screen has poor contrast in all outdoor conditions. The N85's display works reasonably well in indirect sunlight, i.e. without the sun competing directly. So you CAN use it outdoors."
NOW STFU!
How can more then one person be "Highest Ranked"?
High, Higher, Highest, Most Highest, +1 internets, +2 internets...
Basically, we can all agree that (for graphics) Tegra is more powerful than PowerVR/Cortex. If Microsoft launches without games initially - it won't do well. They need a flashy launch event complete with apps, games, and Media center integration. Also, I'm seeing people discount the power of software w/ respect to camera/microphone. Sure, there have been camera's/microphones before... but tied to the SDK and app store, I expect incredible innovation in apps using these client features.
@OneLove- Unless you were joking entirely, it simply means that the comment has reached the highest rank possible in the engadget comments.
Dr.Spaceman Your comment about creaming your jeans over Zunes was ledgendary. so true. Concidering it was sarcasm, you are my new best friend! lol. Quick lets shout tegra at them repeatedly and they might explode! TEGRA! TEGRA! look, they're creaming themselves right now! Tegra!
Geez, how many megapixels is this thing gonna pack? Just look at the size of the lens.
Do you know why I know it's fake?
Because Apple hasn't force them to commit suicide.
You're kidding me. You'd rather have a product because of a chip inside that you know nothing about except the marketing of over another product. How is that even possible? It's the very definition of fanboy.
@why not:
Yes, instead of a camera so crappy it wont be worth it to use on an PMP, I'd rather have my PMP powered by a chip that can output HD, and do many other things if used right. I've seen many demonstrations of tegra, and it looks every bit as powerful as they claim.
Hahaha what happen engadget with your investigations after all maybe is real haah stupid.
So... nothing dramatically different in the new iPod touch. Look's like the Zune HD could be my next PMP then. :)
Back to the arguments over OLED lifespan, I could be wrong, but I believe these things are measured in the number of hours before a display element has half the brightness it had originally, not the time until it's completely dead, so 20,000 hours isn't even the entire lifetime of the display. Of course, one of the other problems of OLEDs has been that different colors die off at different rates, so the colors start looking funky.
Well I'll be goddamned.
So this is why that asian kid was beaten to death, I mean committed suicide and jumped off his building.
lol hater noobs pwned
I hate you.
This is the worst birthday ever.
Looks like some mod to me.
/facepalm
agreed :D
Agreed.
/end facepalm
Yup... the iPod is conveniently taken apart. Now if they actually USED it to take a picture, it'd be easy to believe. Or at least showed the camera app.. but no0o they have a halfpod..
HA! NOW YOUR BLUE!!
lol seems truly
What's with the ridiculously close recording? Why not give a full body view or something.
Still, it'll be interesting to see how this ipod touch turns out in the end. I can't see it having too much more than an added camera and maybe better (faster) processor than the current one. Certainly can't change the resolution of the screen or anything.
Who's to say it's not a hardware mod? Someone took a lens assembly from an iPhone, drilled a hole, and glued it in, then added a prototype logic board. The date on the logic is probably what is shopped.
Who is pathetic enough to bother?
@stephen lang
You'd be surprised
Dear Apple,
can I please be a product tester?! I'll be your best friend!!
-Bill
Unfortunately I think they only hire people who can fart. :(
Sorry.
Holy crap.
I think the comment ratings work again.
i hope so... either that or its just cuz of the massive amount of people (therefore rankings) coming through like in most apple related article's :\
Perhaps this is the lost prototype that fella from China died over.
this might actually be legit – red PCBs are prototype boards at Apple
Where do we send flowers to the family of this person?
ouch.
*Macbooks...
too soon?
Lmao, that was classic!
Yep, too soon.
I loled
+ my internet for you
Especially since:
WE CAN SEE YOUR FINGERPRINTS!!!
(and no longer only on the device's back)
(and everbody knows that we have all of our citizens' on file)
Nice
That made my day!
How about when they use their real name?
Maybe the wifi on it will stop working like my iphone 3g wifi
: (
Is it just me or is the Zune always one step behind the iPod line.
Yes, I know the Zune HD has a lot of new things the iPod touch doesn't but the general public don't care about Tegra! Most people are going to see this and think wow an iPod touch / Flip Video!!! I WANT IT!
this needs explaining? really?
Those people could go out and get an iPhone... Don't get me wrong, people are gonna buy this thing like crazy, but they would regardless of what it did or didn't have. Honestly, though, I think if people were given an iPod touch and a Zune HD(especially if the names/branding were removed) to actually play around with and were asked which one is better, a massive majority would choose the Zune HD. But, sometimes things just work out like that.
@Mark wonderful advertising idea :D
the iPod touch has gone from being THE touch screen PMP to the poor man's iPhone
As a PMP, the zune HD seems to by far outdo the iPod Touch in terms of sound quality, screen quality (OLED is awesome on my Nokia N85, so i'm guessing it'll be great here) and unless Apple surprise me, PRICE too!
Sure, MOST people will buy this over the zune HD, but MOST people in the UK seem to like Lady Gaga - doesn't make her any good!!
P.S who doesn't have a camera phone nowadays??? who needs another video device?? especially one without the ability to send taken videos to other devices via bluetooth?
True, they could call it "The Mojave Mobile Experiment" haha
Call me when the iPod has a HD radio tuner built in
. . . and an OLED Display
... and 720P output
... and then figures out a way to one-up that
Then maybe we can talk about who's a step behind
@Giroro, call me when Zune HD has built-in:
... camera
... app store with tens of thousands of apps
... modern web browser (instead of IE6)
... comparable set of built-in apps
... and whatever new features upcoming iPod touch may have.
@Nutmac
Zune doest need a shitty camera, Zune already has apps and games! So that makes Apps available AT LAUNCH! that browser,
dont be an ignorant IE6 mobile is the lates version of IE Mobile! ffs go do some research...
Yea, cause Safari has not been out for over 6 and an half years now...
Wait a tick, damn I guess it has.
One question here. Why would anyone need a camera on their PMP when most cell phones now come with at least a 2MP camera and can do video just as easily?
Zune HD FTW!!!!
Great another crappy camera you can carry around. Don't we have cellphones for this?
Ask Engadget: Best pocket-sized camcorder out there?
http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/ask-engadget-best-pocket-sized-camcorder-out-there/
Michael Scrip, that link lists lots of great cameras, the poster was talking about crappy cameras like what this one appears to be
@coyo t
The iPhone 3GS video camera is pretty good. Seems like the iPod Touch camera would be the same.
You're an idiot. For the people who buy the iPod touches, it's better to have a camera on it than to not have one. If it's the same camera as the one on the 3GS then it's going to be a pretty good camera, better than many people's cameras on their phones. This would keep some people from carrying around a phone, iPod, and a separate camera.
It'll also be good for apps that let you share pictures or edit them. Instead of syncing your iPod to your computer or copying each picture, one by one, from Photobucket, TinyPic, etc. whenever you want new pictures, you can take new pictures right on the device.
Next time you make a post, think about what you're going to say BEFORE you say it.
Looks pretty good. Can't wait to hear specs, and if they'll cut prices to match the Zune HD.
looks cool but when will iPods be HD capable? it would have been a killer if it had AMOLED screen though.
I love how people are so quick to label something as a bad photoshop job, as if they were photoshop masters.
Well you would think it would be cheaper for Apple to just make the Iphone the same as the Touch, but without the phone part built in.
Makes sense why this would happen.
is not the real deal .... IS just a freaking case switch (iPod touch hardware, inside iPhone case)
Yeah because iPhones have always had chrome backing...
have you ever even seen an iphone case?
No no, they're right, this is probably the iPhone 4GS, being released next month.
Im pretty sure the camera on an iPhone is not in the middle but rather to the side.
why is it always Blair Witch with these "first look" shots? It's like these people learned how to take pictures on Myspace... PLEASE do one of the following when sniping new gear!
1. Macro. Read up.
2. Better camera. That Mattel toy-camera-wristwatch.. just no.
3. Less caffeine. Shoot with a steady hand!
Ironically, the camera that took this is an iphone 3GS video camera.. the same one slated to go in the ipod touch. Kinda demonstrates the pointlessness of it.
I imagine a lot of these leaks come from people who only have access to the devices at work, and are not allowed to carry cameras while on the job. It's much easier to take a quick snap while pretending to text or whatever, than to actually pull out a full-fledged camera and set up a good shot.
Oh, and this camera is worthless to me until they include a flash too.
@Spaceman
You sound like the dipshits who think a $500 Vizio is comparable to Kuro Pro plasma display.
Have you ever SEEN an OLED screen in person? Go to a Sony Style store and look at the XEL-1 11" display as well as their new OLED walkman. Yes, the screens are small, but the contrast and clarity are unparalleled to anything but CRTs and the highest end plasmas.
meh, camera and mic (possibly), but whats the point of skyping with it if you cant even see the other person. sure it wont be used a lot for that and its better to have it in the back for more obvious reasons, but i was hoping for maybe a swivle camera.
i was thinking about getting the new itouch now because how much it will actually cost for the dock and cables to connect a zunehd to your tv, but now i really dont want either.
This is going to be the first true iPhone w/o the phone if this is legit!
so how is it a true iphone without the phone? logical disconnect anyone?
iPod/camera duo is an idiotic idea. They're running out of ideas.... I just can't wait until they unveil the iPod w/ integrated flashlight next year.
rofl
>> "iPod/camera duo is an idiotic idea. They're running out of ideas...."
And the Flip Video... a separate device that will only ever be a camcorder... is a good idea?
If the video on the new iPod Touch is as good as the video on the iPhone 3GS, it will be a good device. Plus the ability to upload video over WIFI, built-in editing, etc.
@Michael
You call cutting out portions of a video editing?
-Fail