Can Intel's $400 Edu-Wise best the OLPC?

We almost feel sorry for Nicholas Negroponte. No sooner does he leave his cushy post at the MIT Media Lab to head the OLPC project on a full-time basis than he faces war drums from all sides. First Bill Gates slapped him down, declaring with man-of-the-year certainty that the developing world needs a good smartphone more than a crank-up laptop. Now, Microsoft's sometime tag-team partner Intel has hit Negroponte from the other side, declaring that the company has plans for a $400 laptop that will make Negroponte's box look like, well, a windup toy. Intel CEO Paul Otellini chose Brazil to announce the Edu-Wise, which will be a full-fledged, Windows-powered mini-PC. While the prototype Edu-Wise box Otellini showed off in São Paulo looked pretty good, we suspect that a $400 price tag will put it out of the price range of most developing world customers, unless it's heavily subsidized. We also think there's a good chance that the $400 price won't even stick; after all, we seem to recall a recent Microsoft/Intel project for a small, full-Windows computer that was initially meant to hit the market at about $500. Last time we checked, those boxes were going for closer to a grand. Apply the same math to this, and we don't see it coming in for any less than $750 -- not exactly pocket change for most developing world students.

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[Regula Oblique @ Mar 28th 2006 4:01PM]

Thats messed up they wanna hate on someone doing something good and then try to make some money off of doing the same thing.

[Tim Quernemoen @ Mar 28th 2006 4:10PM]

I'm not sure but didn't Bill Gates offer to give a free windows operating system to the OLPC project?
You have to assume that with this $400 price tag includes a semi-hefty windows fee. Take that away and the price might be much lower. Besides if your not running windows or Mac operating system, are you really catching up to the rest of the world? The fact of the matter is that with a little more time and a free mainstream operating system, the OLPC could have been done right.

[Alex Newman @ Mar 28th 2006 4:14PM]

Of course one cannot forget that if this is a Microsoft project, the laptop can be expected to arrive sometime in the later half of the century if it is planned for any time soon.

[Malia @ Mar 28th 2006 4:20PM]

I bought a $400 laptop from Dell this Christmas. It ended up being more like $380 after I sold the printer (and yeah, that's after taxes and shipping). And, manufacturers are working on $300 laptops for next Christmas, here in the US, so what's the big deal?

[Michael Ward @ Mar 28th 2006 4:22PM]

Um, folks, the $499 laptop is already here. In fact the $399 laptop is here, too.

When it gets interesting is when the $199 laptop arrives with Windows Lite, 512 MB, 100 GB disk, and 1024x768 24-bit screen. I'd guess late 2007. It could arrive sooner, if manufacturing and distribution are handled on a cost-only basis for specific target projects.

[Alcaron @ Mar 28th 2006 4:25PM]

Apply the same math...sweet christ its a good thing you retards are not a REAL news site...jesus...

[jb @ Mar 28th 2006 4:33PM]

I'm with #4 forget all this nonsense, just have the developing countries check slickdeals. There is always a sub $400 pc to be had there.

[rok @ Mar 28th 2006 4:54PM]

so, alcaron, why the heck do you hang around if you can't stand even one sentence out of an article posting? oh, that's right. that's what trolls do... hang around and throw stones at others, clinging to the cold comfort of internet anonymity. pity you can't even criticize without throwing out disparaging remarks, name-calling, or throwing around jesus' name like you hold the trademark on it.

someone please take away this kid's keyboard... his mom's calling him for supper.

[TZK @ Mar 28th 2006 4:58PM]

" a full fledged windows laptop "

So what is the difference between this full fledged $400 laptop and those $900 UMPCs?

Price and positioning.

What a load.

[Jjeff @ Mar 28th 2006 5:00PM]

Do any of you know what OLPC is supposed to do? It's not buying a Dell to hook up to a DSL modem.. it's for DEVELOPING NATIONS who don't have reliable electricity or communications.

If you lived in the desert, how the hell would you power your Dell? They sure don't have an optional expansion bay hand crank. Plus, the OLPC design is supposed to be an ad-hoc network so (technically) they would act as repeaters to rebroadcast an available wireless signal for internet access.

Plus, the OS would be simplified so that people who have never SEEN a computer would be less intimidated by it. On top of all that, it doesn't have to run fancy PC-based applications because it's a teaching device not a gamer rig.

So if you were shopping for your 3rd world country, would you buy 1,000,000 fragile $400 laptops which require reliable power, have fickle OSs and phone lines for internet or 4x that many that can be hand cranked, purpose built OSs and ad-hoc wireless networking?

[iomatic @ Mar 28th 2006 5:05PM]

Business and technology "leaders", indeed.


How about food and medicine instead?

[Dennis @ Mar 28th 2006 5:13PM]

Am I the only one who sees that $400 is four times $100? If you wanted to buy a car, and the salesman said, well, here's a better car, and it only costs four times as much, what would you do?

[Tim Quernemoen @ Mar 28th 2006 5:15PM]

My main point is that right now they should be able to produce something superior to what they have and they could put an operating system for free that would bring them up to speed with the rest of the world.

Anyway, it�s probably for the better these kids don't learn Windows or Mac. It wouldn't be long before they started taking our Internet jobs away at $1.00 an hour.
J/K... or am I.

[apt @ Mar 28th 2006 6:38PM]

The way I see it, no one is really benefitting. Mr. Gates was correct in his critcism of Mr. Negroponte's quest.

Let's see, $100 per person could potentially save thousands of people who most likely are just trying to survive one more day after years of genocide and corrupt governments.

Or you know, we could give them a computer. Maybe they could use to barter for some wheat or something.

I see bigger problems then the getting computers to these people.

Let's make sure these people can live to see tommorow first, then let's start talking about computers.

[Bruce @ Mar 28th 2006 7:21PM]

"If you wanted to buy a car, and the salesman said, well, here's a better car, and it only costs four times as much, what would you do?"

Or ...

If you wanted to buy a car, and you could have one that you had to pedal (like Fred Flintstone) with a 1 square foot windshield, or you and 3 buddies could buy a real car and share it, what would you do?

[PK @ Mar 28th 2006 8:12PM]

All this crap about building crankable, simpler OS driven systems for developing countries. It would be better if we realise that those people are not retarded in anyway and can handle things in their own way. PLUS, if they dont need reliable power and communication infrastructure to run conventional computers, who is going to bother developing them. I think the way is ahead, not backwards.

[Moogle @ Mar 28th 2006 8:53PM]

PK: Exactly, so you give a lot of them an OS they can hack around with. Something tells me MS & Intel's $400 doesn't come with the source code for all the drivers. Or are you expecting MS to offer free support?

Plus, with the mesh network, they can look up how to build windmills, generators, etc, without an existing network. So no one has to go build it first before they can do anything for themselves.

Bruce: If I had to choose between giving a million people a bicycle that goes 5x faster than walking, and 100,000 motorcycles that go 10x faster, I think it's pretty cruel to make 900k lose out entirely so a couple people can go really fast.

What's the difference for you or me between an old PDA and a recent laptop? We can run some fancy games and make the web look prettier. But if you're talking about filling basic usability, there's little difference, so why blow $300 extra on a shiny, less durable wintel box?

For everyone else that says we should buy them food: Ok, so how about next week? Buy them more food? The next week? ... How about give them enough tools to figure out how to take care of crops, how to rotate them, fertalize, what the market price is to buy seed and fertalizer and sell crops. Treat illness?
Sure, we could send over some missionaries to teach them enough to get by a few years, but each of those missionaries costs at least 10 OLPCs to fly around and feed. Then they're gone in a month, the lessons aren't fully remembered, and they don't know how to deal with this illness that didn't show up when the missionaries were there.

Sorry I'm getting all ranty, but I've yet to hear a single criticism or alternative that deals with the main issue - dependance.
--Mobile phones? Who's paying for the towers and service? The power?
--Wintel laptops? Where's the network? The modifiability? The power?
--Food? Where's this constant food supply coming from, and how does it change the situation they're in? The people without food don't have food for a reason, and feeding them for a month or a year gets you roughly jack if you don't do something else. Those charities already exist anyway, this won't take anything from them.

[SLIMSHADY @ Mar 28th 2006 9:24PM]

I THINK YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF GEEKS AND LOSERS THAT NEED TO GET A LIFE AND STOP PRETENDING LIKE YOUR OPINIONS WILL EVER MATTER!

[Alcaron @ Mar 29th 2006 1:10AM]

Little late on the reply here #8 but I don't really see your post as being anything better. You call my post juvenile then you make juvenile comments of your own...

Talk about enjoy the comforts of internet anonymity.

And its comfort, not cold comfort, if you are going to insult someone at least have the common decency to know what the heck you are talking about.

Cold comfort implies something of little or no encouragement or consolation.

Good try though...troll.

[Ihar `Philips` Filipau @ Mar 29th 2006 3:22AM]

The guys from Intel have to get down to earth really soon. They have made up roadmap for developped world and now try to stretch it for developing world. That won't work.

What they need is completely new design - and not only technicaly. They need to put cheap CPU inside, add TFT/LCD/what ever cheapest, add network adaptor, add keyboard and touchpad. No fancy stuff like accumulator, wi-fi, infrared, pcmca, floppy, modem, etc. Definitely no Windows - put instead basic Linux installation with lightweight tools: that way they would save on both RAM and licensing costs. Network only device. And try to sell it for all what it is worth.

If such device would cost more than $100 - then probably Intel already got to start liquidating itself... Otherwise, I'm in no doubt that many customers will jump in: such system would make perfect school terminal, or library terminal, or any kind of public terminal. Or even additional home terminal. It's connected - you can put any kind of client application on it (web browser, e-mail client, database client, etc) and put it in kiosk mode.

[zoara @ Mar 29th 2006 5:11AM]

Whenever the OLPC subject comes up, there always seems to be a lot of criticism, that stems from a polarised view of developing nations (that polarisation not necessarily showing up in individual posts, but in all the posts taken as a whole).

The first view is that "these people are so poor, that $100 should be spent on something more basic than a laptop, such as food, clean water or healthcare". Fair enough.

The opposing view is "who would buy a junky laptop for $100 that doesn't even run Windows when you can get a Windows laptop for $xxx?". Again, fair enough.

What I feel that people are missing is that:

a) not everyone in developing nations is in as desperate need for sustenance as those people you see in the adverts for human welfare charities. That is an extreme situation (and I'm not attempting to downplay the seriousness of people in that situation). There are many millions of people who are 'poor', but are coping. They're on the bottom rungs of the ladder, and are able to keep themselves healthy and fed. A connection to information services is the next rung on the ladder. It's debateable as to whether ascending this ladder is a desirable thing (check out research into life satisfaction levels of people in 'underdeveloped' countries versus 'developed' ones, for instance), but this is what the OLPC initiative is about. It's the next rung on the ladder.

b) yes, you can get a Windows laptop for 4x/5x/6x the cost. But while that may only be a handful of dollars to us, just another day or two sitting at our desks commenting on Engadget, that is a lot of money to a lot of people. If you're working a few dollars a day, saving up $100 is going to take a while. Saving $400 is out of the question. If you're a charity supplying these machines to developing nations, every cent will count (as you'll be throwing out a lot of these machines, and probably depending on charitable donations as well). And it's questionable why a Windows laptop is so desireable anyway; these are to be educational tools, and you don't need Windows XP (and the grunt required to run it) to read Wikipedia.


In summary (and apologies for the length) there are a lot of people who are NOT in dire need of food/water/healthcare but are also not able to justify what we westerners consider a small amount of money on a computer. They are the in-betweeners, and this is what the OLPC initiative is about. I applaud what they are doing, and I don't think it detracts from the efforts to help those without food/water/healthcare.

While we're on the subject, there's always http://www.thehungersite.com which allows you to 'donate' food at no cost to you. Instead of (or as well as) responding angrily to my post, please pop over there and give someone a cup of rice. Nice one.

[Yrian @ Mar 29th 2006 7:11AM]

Indeed, 400 bucks is at least twice the minimum wage in Brazil. (But brazilian minimum wagers still manage to buy TV sets that expensive, ah, the power of soap operas.) And if import taxation is applied, increase the price by at least 60%. I'm serious.

[Jjeff @ Mar 29th 2006 10:28AM]

#14 - Bruce...

Do you realize what you just said? Did you even comprehend it? If I had the choice between a peddle car and a gas powered car, I'd sure the hell want to consider if I could afford or even FIND gasoline where I lived. That car I'm sharing with 4 friends would sure the hell be useless if we couldn't fuel it. I bet 4 peddle cars would be way more useful.

Thanks for proving the analogy! Not everyone lives near a gas station.

"If you wanted to buy a car, and you could have one that you had to pedal (like Fred Flintstone) with a 1 square foot windshield, or you and 3 buddies could buy a real car and share it, what would you do?"

[jos? @ Mar 29th 2006 10:37AM]

Yrian is soooo right I feel embarassed sometimes for being brazilian :/

400 dollars is way too expensive for the average Brazilian income (unless they are targetting it to the developing countries' wealthy).

[Bruce @ Mar 29th 2006 10:54AM]

"Not everyone lives near a gas station"

No. But everyone has the Sun shining on them.

Ever heard of solar panels?

[thetruth @ Mar 29th 2006 11:21AM]

first of all intel and MS are morons. They've got enough problems with vista already now they want to work on a $400 dollar laptop?

secondly. how many of you have parents, grandparents etc who have trouble just surfing, writing email, or fiddling around with office products. I mean for god's sake these people are old but they're not stupid and they live in the US where they see and know about computers. They live in a highly developed country. Yet they still have problems from time to time.

Now based on that you're telling me that people in these other countries who never seen a computer or touched one is going to sit around and know what to do when it MS starts giving the BSOD? Or when a driver conflict shows up and renders their light box non-responsive?

You think MS is going to have a tech support team there trained and ready to answer calls about their $400 pc? NOOOO i don't think so.

Wake up people, this is about making a pc for countries where people neither have the resources or experience with a computer to start learning about it and be able to use it and start getting caught up with some technology at least.

[jdsony @ Mar 29th 2006 11:46AM]

All these cheap PC's have pretty low specs. Actually, probabably about 5 year old specs. You know how many old PC's we throw out all the time? Sure it's nice to sell everyone a similar PC but I bet there are millions of Pentium 3 PC's just sitting around or being thrown out every day. Even send them a bunch of parts and teach them how to assemble them. Send them some of the thousands of boards with bad capacitors and they can replace them. And why do they need Windows? I guess it depends on what they are trying to do with these low cost PC's. Do they want the PC's as a teaching tool or just for cheap home computers.

Contrary to popular belief, software doesn't cost anything to make. It costs in development but it doesn't cost anything to make it (well very little). There is no reason why Bill Gates couldn't give away Windows to these people. 95% of them would never be buying it anyway so Microsoft wouldn't be losing any money except for the small manufacturing costs.

[WGIII @ Mar 29th 2006 3:32PM]

Are we talking about India?

[e=mc2 @ Mar 29th 2006 3:38PM]

Remember in the movie "the Matrix" everyone was enslaved to produce fuel / power. The same should apply to countries like Africa, Central & South America, Asia.

[Digital+Inclusion @ Apr 2nd 2006 9:42PM]

To "thetruth":
If teachers in this developing/poor nations are trained on usage of the PCs; if service & support are provided by local players/vendors (such as local service providers) and not Microsoft/Intel--perhaps it may work.

Actually to tell "thetruth", I don't think Intel and Microsoft are morons. I supposed morons are those thay made assumptions without reading the full stories (which actually appeared in Intel and Microsoft websites).

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