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Scott: OK I declare this chatcast started!
Fbz: hi jan
Jan: hi dante
Dan Lurie: jan: you're also in denver, right?
Dan Lurie: <--dan
Jan: nope - in albany today
Dan Lurie: ah, i mean in general
Jan: in boulder in general
Dan Lurie: sweet
Jan: are you in denver
Dan Lurie: I'll ping you later about BarCampDenver
Dave Chartier: This is working well in Adium, btw
Dan Lurie: yeah
Jan: yes, yes re bar camp
Dan Lurie: its gonna be awesome
Dan Lurie: newsgator is sponsoring
Fbz: i can't get the tuaw page to load
Fbz: or engadget
Dan Lurie: haha
Dan Lurie: well, thats it folks!
Dan Lurie: rest of the day off!
Dave Chartier: so who's actually updating the chatcast post
Victor: sorry, I was holding the power switch down on the server...
Dave Chartier: TUAW loaded fine for me
Fbz: hm strange
Dave Chartier: Vic - now cmon here
Dave Chartier: what did we tell you about power buttons?
Fbz: ah back for me now
Jan: so is this the chat that will be published on tuaw, or is there another chatcast post?
Scott: I thought our servers ran on sunshine and happiness
Dan Lurie: yeah
Dan Lurie: not enough of that in the world today
Dave Chartier: Sun has a patent on that system (ba-dum-ching)
Fbz: jan yes this is being posted
Scott: this is the chatcast that we will be on tuaw
Dan Lurie: this is so exciting! Its just like at macworld!
Scott: and Dan is posting the 'real' news
Jan: what about a voice chat? will there be one?
Dan Lurie: real?
Dan Lurie: you mean matrix news
Dan Lurie: nothing is real
Scott: this should be interesting then
Scott: any last minute predictions?
Dan Lurie: I want an iphone bad
Dan Lurie: but I don't see it happening today
Jan: Red Hot Chili Peppers are playing at wwdc now.
Dan Lurie: for the record: mac pros and leopard ship timeframe
Dan Lurie: yeah
Fbz: i want an open firmware iphone, but that will never happen
Jan: engadget has some stills up - engadget offering multiple pictures: http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/07/live-from-wwdc-2006-steve-jobs-keynote/
Dan Lurie: my guy says they started plaing cheryl crow, but it cut off a few seconds in
Dave Chartier: APE baby, big money
Jan: macrumors: The Apple onine store is still down.
Dave Chartier: probably will be through the end of the note
Scott: I am sure it will be
Scott: and then it will be filled with new iPods and an iPhone
Scott: and candy!
Dave Chartier: I love how people are trying to use iSights in MBs to A/V chat, when the announcer said 'shut off your cell phones'
Fbz: ooooh candy. mac-like white and black shiny candy
Dave Chartier: mmm, Apple candy
Jan: jobs is on stage.
Dave Chartier: wait, shouldn't they be selling nutritious fruit instead of teeth-rotting candy?
Jan: is engadget doing live coverage? url?
Dave Chartier: http://www.engadget.com/2006/08/07/live-from-wwdc-2006-steve-jobs-keynote/
Scott: We are also doing live coverage
Dave Chartier: ok MacNN isn't refreshing
Scott: as well as this swanky chatcast
Dave Chartier: we need a sexy AJAX update system like MacRumors has. Victor, you on it?
Victor: yeah, yesterday
Dave Chartier: heh
Dave Chartier: so who's updating the chatcast? Scott?
Scott: I am indeed
Dan Lurie: i gotta go guys
Dan Lurie: too much stuff going on at once
Dan Lurie: gonna focus on transcribing from my guy
Scott: Ok Dan!
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Dave Chartier: dedicated, sweet
Scott: I hope my credit card doesn't regret this keynote
Dave Chartier: lol
Dave Chartier: Apple's in cahoots with Visa/Mastercard to help increase consumer debt
Fbz: see you dan
Victor: scott you have a shiny new macbook, right?
Scott: I do have a new Macbook
Victor: I love my wife's, almost more than the pro, honestly
Dave Chartier: That's been bugging me lately too - if it weren't for motion graphics work I do, I would actually prefer to get rid of this pro for a MB
Jan: Steve says 3/4 of macs shipped lately were intel-based
Scott: I've been a Powerbook user for a long time, but the MacBook is more than powerful enough for me while the iBook never was
Victor: better quality too
Victor: than ibook
Scott: yikes, that means low PowerMac sales
Dave Chartier: Jan that actually surprises me - since the greater majority of Macs are Intel, that means a lot of people were stil buying G5s
Jan: you've gotta if you
Jan: are doing serious graphics work
Jan: designers need adobe
Scott: oh, the Mac Pro!
Dave Chartier: those things are going to haul
Dave Chartier: hey look! Apple finally hit the 3 Ghz promise - no thanks to IBM
Jan: PowerMacs will now fade to history.
Scott: 128 bit vector engine for resolution independence perhaps?
Dave Chartier: interesting - unless they update the rest of the line with these Core 2 duo chips, the Mac Pros are the only 64 bit Macs
Scott: that makes sense
Scott: I bet the MBP will be too
Scott: in awhile
Dave Chartier: only users who can truly push 64bit I guess
Scott: 32 bit for the consumers 64 for the pro
Scott: that's my guess
Fbz: mmmm macpro
Fbz: do we know what it will look like? still brushed metal or is it going to be glossy?
Dave Chartier: I love how these guys have such an oddly under-dramatic flair for everything - "it's a great chip"
Dave Chartier: same old case
Scott: old case, Engadget has a pic
Jan: three times faster than G5
Fbz: same case, meh
Dave Chartier: just like the MacBook Pros - it's a stellar enclosure; don't fix if it aint broke I guess
Dave Chartier: yay two optical drives finally
Fbz: well my macbook pro is too hot, but the g5 tower was a nice enclosure i'll give them that
Dave Chartier: just make sure you exchange that battery if you hve to fabz! You don't wanna end up on TUAW with another asploded Apple notebook
Fbz: david: i checked the battery exchange program and i my numbers don't match
Dave Chartier: the web will start gambling on who's will blow up next: Dell or Apple
Jan: more stats: up to 2 TB internal storage, room for 4 hard drives
Scott: that's a lot of porn
Jan: 4 PCI express slots
Jan: graphics slot at bottom, double wide for larger graphics cards
Scott: I mean, lots of data can be stored in that
Fbz: it's tech pr0n
Dave Chartier: Now Scott, don't go being a bad example for the readers
Scott: I'm a bad blogger
Jan: Mac Pro also has FireWire 800 and another USB on the front.
Dave Chartier: omg: 256 MB RAM? Come ON Apple!!
Dave Chartier: 64bit, 2 TB, and then you toss it in the kiddie pool with 256?!
Scott: though it does ship today
Scott: who needs RAM
Jan: 256 is an insult. just want us to pay more than the standard config price.
Dave Chartier: bah, I fergot: when you're crunching 64bit between two cores, that data doesn't even need to hit RAM
Fbz: ram is necessary for audio or video editing
Scott: Who here buys RAM from Apple?
Jan: here's something good - 16xc superdrive
Fbz: even with a zippy proc
Dave Chartier: *crickets*
Jan: standard config is $2499.
Dave Chartier: no BluRay?
Scott: the first thing I do is toss the included RAM and get more
Dave Chartier: yeouch - no $2K model?
Scott: ohh xserve
Dave Chartier: separating the men/women from the boys/girls I guess
Dave Chartier: Ooh, last minute prediction: Adobe steps up today
Jan: mac pro starts shipping today.
Dave Chartier: *surprise!* We aren't the last ones to transition after all!
Dave Chartier: Interesting - Mac Pros are Core 2 duo but the Xserves are Xeons. I need to learn more about those chips
Scott: i want one
Dave Chartier: an Xserve? So now you're gonna store and serve all that pr0n?
Jan: are you sure? phil said the mac pro will be based on intel's xeon chips (woodcrest) but based on core2 microarchitecture.
Scott: I don't know what that means ;)
Jan: the slide behind him says 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual-core Xeon for the mac pro.
Scott: Onto OS X!
Dave Chartier: Strange Jan - I thought they were separate chips. Anyone got an 'Intel for Dummies' PDF?
Dave Chartier: y'know, maybe there's a bright side to the low RAM thing - I wonder if Apple does that to keep their own costs down as the know a lot of people buy 3rd party RAM
Scott: I still think it is an insult to people buying a Mac
Dave Chartier: kind of a "consumers might want it already tossed into their iMacs, but pros might go elsewhere" thing?
Victor: no, I'll have to pull a dvorak and say 256 is stupid
Scott: Come on, Apple, give use some RAM!
Victor: cheap and stupid, like the old ibook keyboards
Dave Chartier: Victor pulled a Dvorak! TUAW readers, Victor's phone number is....
Scott: Victor gets no spam
Dave Chartier: HAH - now we need hats and a 'Cranky Victor' video blog
Fbz: yay c.k.!
Jan: I love this. Bertrand (onstage) says: "Redmond, start your photocopiers."
Dave Chartier: C.K. in the hizzy
Scott: Great C.K.'s ghost!
Scott: they are mocking MS
Scott: You wouldn't like Bill Gates when he is angry
Fbz: is that difficult to do?
Scott: not with the Vista delays
Jan: He's showing a photo of an Elvis impersonator. Saying: If you can't innovate, impersonate.
Scott: I feel back for them, actually
Scott: not back
Jan: They're giving a preview of Leopard today.
Victor: you mean Vista 2.0
Fbz: vista actually has revolutionized security in the windows world
Scott: hey I'm looking forward to Vista
Fbz: as disgusting as that sounds, it's true i know and trust people working on the re-architecture of vista
Dave Chartier: detail cleanup: standard Mac Pro config does ship with 1 GB RAM http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/08/dsc_0433.jpg
Scott: I just don't want to wait soooo long
Jan: Scott Foresall will demo 10 features of leopard today.
C.K.: what have I missed?
Jan: There are some top secret features they're not going to reveal today.
Jan: of leopard, that is.
Victor: good, I hope security will be less of an issue, and we can focus on experience, etc. that makes os x better
Dave Chartier: C.K.: Mac Pro, pretty much. Dual Core Xeons
Jan: Point 1 re leopard: support for 64 bit apps
Fbz: i'm not saying i would run vista, i much prefer a unix-based architecture on which i can compile open source apps
Jan: support used to be in a unix layer, but not its done with no emulation, no translation.
Fbz: thus, os x.
Scott: Leopard has a Time Machine!
Scott: I don't what it does, but that sounds cool
Dave Chartier: sounds like that Windows System Restore concept
Scott: it does
Dave Chartier: *don't shoot me readers*
Scott: Does Cupertino have photocopiers too?
Jan: tee hee
C.K.: *readers shoot David*
Dave Chartier: they have iSights
Scott: I hope it works better than the Windows version though
Dave Chartier: 8 ball says: HIGHLY LIKELY
Scott: and I hope you don't need .Mac for it to work
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Jan: so the Time Machine automatically backs up your whole mac and can restore from scratch.
Scott: that is very cool
Jan: even works is hard disk crashes.
Scott: if it works as advertised
Scott: since FileVault seemed very cool as well...
C.K.: sooooo it's the same as SuperDuper!
Dave Chartier: *zing!*
Dave Chartier: well it sounds like this is live
Dave Chartier: a daemon in the bkg
Jan: you can restore everything or just one file at a time.
Scott: There are daemons in my MAC?!
Dave Chartier: haha. Yea Scott, take it down to CompUSA for a exorcism
Scott: ahh Victor, a little Apple history humor
Scott: I love it!
Scott: seems like Time Machine has a cool GUI
Jan: looks like you get to choose the date and time to which you want to roll back.
Dave Chartier: here's hoping, especially since it's for the masses
Scott: it sounds a bit like Shadow Copy on Windows 2003
Scott: which explains the 2 TB of disk space
Victor: i hope this is something one can turn off, like FileVault...
Jan: i love this. if you mess up a document you'll be able to go back to choose and get previous versions.
Dave Chartier: No Victor. All your backups are belong to Time Machine
Scott: Engadget has a pic of the icon
Scott: pretty sweet looking
Scott: I'm a sucker for a good icon
Dave Chartier: man that's gorgeous
Dave Chartier: although... I really wish the icon was rotating in the other direction. Rats, I don't know if I can use it now
C.K.: I wish they'd come out with a video nano
Fbz: maybe a video nano/iphone
Fbz: iwant it
Scott: I don't think we'll see any iPod stuff today
Scott: but you never know
Dave Chartier: Wait: they didn't even touch ipod stuff yet did they?
Jan: not yet. hang on.
Dave Chartier: usually that's front and center, first thing they gab about
Scott: well this conference is all about the OS
Scott: Mac, Mac, Mac!
Fbz: oh i hope there is a final ka-blam to this keynote
Dave Chartier: "one more thing!"
Jan: boot camp will be included in leopard
C.K.: mac tablet?
Fbz: so Time Machine is included in Leopard?
C.K.: I want a mac tablet
C.K.: a small one
Dave Chartier: yea, it's one of the big Leopard features
Scott: to Time Machine
Fbz: c.k. don't even make me have a heart attack like that
Scott: no to tablet
Dave Chartier: Mac tablet wrist watch!
Jan: front row and photo booth built into leopard too.
C.K.: like half mac tablet and half subcompact notebook
Dave Chartier: "everything you expect from a Mac, from a watch"
Fbz: i'd buy three of those c.k.
C.K.: how do you filter people out of chat again?
Scott: Is C.K. saying anything? I'm filtering him
Dave Chartier: C.-who now?
Dave Chartier: Virtual desktops!!
Jan: next feature: virtual desktops - diff spaces for different clusters of apps
Dave Chartier: iClusters
Scott: next gen PhotoBooth and Front Row
Scott: I hope PhotoBooth becomes scriptable
Victor: can we just get Widget sets for Dashboard??? good grief...
Fbz: oh it's ABOUT TIME for virtual desktops. awesomeness.
Fbz: that's sweet sweet news. i use virtual desktops on all my unix machines and up until now third party software on the mac for it
Scott: I never got virtual desktops, but I'm a heathen
Victor: that is cool tho...
Jan: steve is showing that you can drag from one virtual desktop to another.
Victor: Scott, you have to be a "power user" to need them
C.K.: oh SNAP
Jan: so you can make a brochure with print apps in one space, and drag the photos over to another space to make your web site. cool.
Victor: sounds like opendoc...
Jan: next leopard feature: spotlight searches other machines on the same network.
Dave Chartier: Can't wait to hear when this will ship? In time for the holidays? Or *gasp* - a delay!
Scott: I'm a text slinger, me need no power!
Victor: spotlight over network = happy
Victor: unless Finder dies
Dave Chartier: here's hoping they've improved its performance from the 'crawl' rating
Scott: great, now Spotlight will endlessly churn indexing my networked drives
Dave Chartier: but hey - at least you can find something on them a few minutes after starting the saerch
Scott: that is the up side
Scott: and with all those backup files there will be lots to look through
Jan: spotlight includes an application launcher. you type in a couple of letters and app launches.
Jan: feature 6 - core animation
Jan: time machine is built on core animation
Victor: hopefully core *data* as well...
Dave Chartier: here's hoping it doesn't start up all apps beginnning with an 'i', that could be a problem
Jan: whoa - you can break a scene into layers.
Jan: or create keyframes and core animation makes the rest of the animation for you.
Jan: move over adobe!
Scott: that is very cool
Dave Chartier: from that Spaces screenshot, it looks like the features is Exposé for desktops
Jan: they're demoing using core animation to make a screensave.
Scott: I do use Expose
C.K.: scott: hopefully the backups will include indexing and speed things up by only indexing things from the last backup
Dave Chartier: Rails support? In the OS?
Scott: I should hope so C.K.
Jan: feature 7 - enhancements to Universal Access.
Jan: braille support, quicktime subtitles, and voiceover
Jan: very pc
Scott: I can't wait for the webcast of this
Jan: apparently the voiceover sounds like a real voice, not that cranky computer voice.
Scott: I shall miss the cranky Victoria
Dave Chartier: uh oh, Enadget's crawling on me
Jan: they say the big feature is next up. whadda you think it is?
Jan: something about Mail.
Dave Chartier: Mail + iCal
Scott: Mail being less sucky
Jan: weoll there's stationery
Jan: industry standard html email
Jan: that looks the same to anyone on the receiving end
Scott: I hate HTML email
Jan: stationery sounds like some kind of theme system.
Fbz: the link to this chatcast has hit the front page of netscape
Dave Chartier: yay Notes
Dave Chartier: awesome Fabz!
Scott: Steve said boom!
Jan: there's a special mailbox for sending notes to yourself.
Fbz: hah that's called me sending email to myself and filtering it.
Fbz: i think i've been doing that since the advent of email
Jan: yeah, but now you don't have to send the note to yourself via email.
Dave Chartier: "And anything we can do to make Mail better and more productive is really exciting". You're darn right it is Steve
Scott: I wonder if the note transmission is more secure than email
Jan: mail can take an incoming message and make it into a to-do item
Scott: so you can note sensitive info
Victor: i wonder is Mail will be worth a damn for work now...
Fbz: yeah i still use thunderbird on my os x systems
Jan: other apps, including ical, tie into the to-do list
C.K.: Mail.app will continue to suck, I predict
Scott: but in new interesting ways
C.K.: indeed, Scott, indeed
Dave Chartier: yea, gives us something to blog
Dave Chartier: "Nothing new with Mail today; seems to be working fine for everyone" isn't exciting!
Dave Chartier: Anyone wanna place bets on how much 3rd parties will charge for stationary plugins?
Jan: i like this system wide to do list.
Scott: I'm still converting all my incoming email to plain text
Jan: especially because ical is tied into it.
Dave Chartier: I'm glad to see Apple at least marketed this on stage as 'a big one'. In a way, it sounds like they're at least listening
Scott: no widescreen yet
Scott: for mail that is
Jan: this may be the end of growl.
Fbz: ooh i just got served watermelon
C.K.: this just in: The Mac Sponge: an even quicker picker upper
Fbz: *giggle* i want an iphone!
Jan: feature 9 of leopard - dashcode officially released.
Jan: includes templates for creating widgets.
Dave Chartier: yay, a style guide
Jan: dashcode also has a parts library, with items like a search field to drop into the widget you're developing.
Jan: also has a debugger.
Jan: and for users, there's a way to make any web page into a widget. huh?
Victor: that's awesome!
Victor: a netscape instawidget!
Dave Chartier: Do they mean it's a dynamic, live widget? Like it will keep updating me with the latest Dilbert?
Jan: example - making dilbert comic strip into a widget using the Webclip button in safari. cool.
Dave Chartier: or just put 'that thing' in a widget that hangs around, like a stickynote-widget?
Fbz: *sigh* i guess they're not going to announce any small hardware for me to hack. what a bummer.
C.K.: when are they going to get off all of this software which is going to be much more buggy than any of us would like and get to a few meaty one more things...
C.K.: like an Apple tablet
Fbz: yeah i want ONE more thing.
Dave Chartier: invited
Jan: feature 10 - enhancements to ichat
Dan Lurie: OMGOMGOMGOMG
Jan: back to the widgets - they are live / dynamic.
Scott: tabs in iChat!
Scott: I'm about to faint
Jan: so you could webclip a NYT bestsellers list that updates automatically.
Dave Chartier: This just in: Dan's the guy who's been spilling Apple's trade secrets
C.K.: already got it thanks to Chax
Dave Chartier: iChat theater?
Jan: iphoto slideshow you can talk over
Fbz: finally tabs. although i hate tabs, it is necessary.
Fbz: i guess still no text based tab-like terminal-based ichat
Jan: video recording in ichat
Fbz: oh nice video recording! w00t!
Dave Chartier: wait, you can record a video conference?
Victor: yeah, these are great, but like Dashboard on my G4 iBook, will probably be axed the moment I see them grind my 1st gen MBP to a halt...
C.K.: hello video TUAW podcasts w00t
C.K.: where's your MacBook, yo?
Jan: bye bye Conference Recorder
Fbz: hey i have a g4 tower i upgraded, it rocks
Fbz: don't diss old hardware.
Victor: I'm waiting for Leopard to turn it into the same hunk of crud Tiger turned my G4 into...
C.K.: yeah, it rocks from side to side from warping from heat
Fbz: heh no actually i has a 2ghz proc in it
Fbz: with a new fan and heat sink and it's quieter and cooler than my other machines
Victor: I saw a snail going 2ghz once...
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Scott: on the fly background changes without a green screen?
Victor: oh yes they can
C.K.: yes, but OS X eventually phased off of older hardware
Dave Chartier: of course, just like there's a line of PC hardware that has a hard tiem running WinXP
Victor: and I'm plenty mad my Centris 610 won't run Tiger!
Fbz: so what comes after the non-green screen effects in ichat?
Dave Chartier: Blamo: Lepoard pushed back to Spring
Fbz: david: really?
Dave Chartier: MacRumors
Fbz: that's a long time from now
Dave Chartier: It also isn't the promised Fall 2006
Jan: they're giving developers a preview copy today.
Jan: whoa - that's all folks. it's over?
Dave Chartier: Apple pulled a Microsoft
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Victor: they got a sweaty monkey up there?
Fbz: so sad if it's really over. *tear*
Jan: steve left the stage. looks like keynote is over.
Dave Chartier: the good thing, however, is that there's still some stuff they didn't even preview today
Victor: are they chanting 'encore?'
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Jan: so our credit cards are intact.
Dan Lurie: awww
Dan Lurie: thats dissapointing
Dan Lurie: no one more thing
Jan: unless any of us can fork over the big bucks for the mac pro.
Dave Chartier: Jan, what'r you talking about? Our credit cards are under attack from Mac Pros *shipping today!*
Dave Chartier: Run for the hills! Compounded interest is coming!
Dan Lurie: apple hasnt updated the site yet
Jan: not even a possibility for me. unless we all get a raise. how about it ck?
C.K.: no iPhone?
Dan Lurie: yeah
Dan Lurie: I wanted an iphone
Fbz: *sigh* no hardware for me to hack
Dave Chartier: this is WWDC - not for consumers