Hitachi Maxell claims new Li-ion battery with 20x the power
By Ryan Block 
posted Jun 2nd 2008 12:24AM
posted Jun 2nd 2008 12:24AM
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Wow this could mean completely electric cars sooner. Smaller notebooks with 10x battery life?
Puh..... ya, rite.
Vapor.
politics will prevent this from ever reaching the mass market
Uh, did you look at the price last time you filled up?
WE ALL DO!
20x the power and we're talking ranges in the 1,000s of miles not hundreds. All electric with none of the drawbacks? Sign me up!
DiscoCat5,
If people like you were dead, the world would be a much better place, in much better shape.
Kev,
Don't worry about DC. The child isn't old enough to drive so obviously he isn't going to be concerned about electric cars.
What is that picture from? I saw that in a Family Guy.
I think it has something to do with Maxwell. Dunno how I remember this, but once (and only once) long ago i saw one of their CDs and that image was on it.
as i remember it its an old commercial showing the power of maxell tapes,or it might be cds its not too clear.
Your inbox is gonna hate me if you have notifications turned on.
Maxell*
google is your friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DP89iMe0BY
sorry for double post.it is maxell tapes.
Good Lord am I that old? It's an add that ran for the Memorex tape, you know is it real or Memorex? It was both print and t.v. with the sound slowly moving the martini to the edge of the table.
That's a wine glass, not a martini glass.
Wine is for wimps and women :-)
are you guys just a bunch of kids.
I had that print on my wall when I was in school.
I guess being 27 is a lot older than I thought. I was surprised how many people didn't remember what the picture is from.
JonnyGTO, you got it mixed up.
The image is from Maxel cassests. Memorex is a different company, and thier sogan was, "Is it live... or is it Memorex?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32X8sFAlDZM
What do they say, memory is the second thing to go with age? I can't remember for sure :-) I probably have Memorex on the brain cause they owed me some cash when they went bankrupt 12 years ago.
So we have a paper towel that can absorb 20X the oil , and now a battery that has 20x the capacity?
coincidence?
The great thing about the iPhone is that I can read both posts by bringing up a new page, I'm glad I am not using any other mobile...
Yeah, because no other mobile web browser allows one to browse the web.
you are an ediot!
I generraly know one when I read there words, and you are one.
Just thaught I would let you know.
Am I the only one that sees irony in the reply above mine?
can we please ban iEye?
its very clear he is just a apple fanboy with nothing interesting to say ever. look at his previous posts
Decent batteries? Nah, couldn't be.
excuse the profanity, but fuck off and remove this idiot...
I have a simpsons version of that too... Its been sent up by nearly every cartoon on the planet...
What the hell is this... oh yes it's
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/____\ ............ this is supposed to be a pyramid, not a christmas tree
I'm confused, if you knew it looked shit why post it?
You conceal your rabid fanboyism so well.
No.
Nein
Power I don't care about, energy density, yes. Since I don't have a subscription, its not obvious as to the energy/size or energy/weight ratio. Give some real data.
Yep, I'm surprised it wasn't brought up immediately...there's a big difference between "power" and "energy".
power just tells you how fast you use energy. if they have not improved the energy density (sure they would say if the had), then it actually means 20 times shorter battery life. Think of it as having a wider fuel pipe from the petrol tank of your car (not a bigger tank). it might give shorter charge times.
I expect it is most design as a safety feature, Lithum Ion batteries get awful hot if you drain them too quick. maybe this is solves that problem.
I got this off another site with some more info:
"The new cell has a discharge capacity 20 times larger than that of current Li-ion batteries..."
It also goes on to say that it plans to put it into hybrids within 4 years.
I believe Hitachi supplies batteries for current GM hybrids. Maybe we'll see this in the volt if it ever comes out?
You have solved the mystery of this press release. 20x energy density would be great but is incredible in the literal sense, not believable. 20x faster discharge is much less exciting, but would be useful for hybrid cars where fast discharge is important, allowing small, inexpensive batteries to be used for regenerative braking purposes. Not a range improver for plug-ins though.
Seriously, clak, get over your Mac. I wouldn't be surprised if you had an orgy every time Apple comes out with a new product.
Typed on my Jailbrokeb iPod touch, suck it Apple.
Clak, I'm surprised you can reach the keyboard from under Steve's desk.
clak, sorry dude... people like yourself are why full-time trolls like Jesse can spew venom without even trying to be entertaining or otherwise worthwhile and still get a sympathetic audience
Fuji Heavy Industries owns a portion of Subaru, so this being realized in a vehicle is highly plausible. Also to mention Toyota and Subaru are in cahoots for a next-gen coupe, possibly hybrid. Coincidence? Think Not.
http://www.autoblog.com/2005/02/02/subaru-to-get-hybrid-tech-from-toyota/
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/10/toyota-confirms-rwd-sports-car-coming-in-2011-with-subaru-boxer/
20 times...that means an iPod Classic with one of these would get 1000 hours of music (it gets around 50 hours now).
thanks for dividing 1000 by 20 for me.
20 times...so what happens when one of these puppies overheats?
You get 20 times the excitement!!!
Does this also mean fireballs from bad batteries will be 20x bigger?
Clak, I love my Mac, think OS X is a great OS, and I think it's power management rocks - the way it wakes and sleeps almost instantly, the accurate battery meter, the way you can switch energy profiles quickly.
The thing I haven't noticed, however about Mac power management, is it giving me a 20x advantage in terms of battery life over a similarly sumptuously appointed PC laptop.
I think I speak for everyone here when I say that you're delusional and annoying.
20 times the bang for the buck.
haha, so now when your relaxing in your armchair with your glasses on and enjoying a martini, you can listen to a maxell take on a big speaker for hours and hours and hours.....
hell be sore, (and thirsty) by the end!
double posts? not funny anymore.
Actually, I have it on good authority that this is in fact legit. A "senior official" at RIM told me personally that his company has been watching this project closely.
Awesome, I look forward to when I can pop one of these batteries into my new i-mate and achieve 4 hours of talk time.
It wouldn't give you 20x more talk time, though it might allow you to crank the volume up a lot (which would actually shorten battery life).
And electric car "filling stations" are where???
Crap, you can hardly buy E-85 and GM has been pushing that to roll out to stations for how many years now? I fail to see how electric cars are gonna "take off" in our suburban landscape? Maybe in highly dense places like NYC or LA or Tokyo or London or ???
Electric car filling stations will be in your home. Think trickle recharge capacitors in your garage that fill up over a day's period, along with heavier charging overnight. Then when you need to charge up the car plug it in and quick dump it. As for on the go charging. Think about it. Which is more difficult to implement. A charging station or an infrastructure for hydrogen. Charging stations can EASILY be implemented.
PS- E85 is DEAD, or at least HEAVILY scaled back, within 2 years. Mark my words. You think people don't like paying at the pump. At least people can scale back their driving. Try going to the grocery store and spending $6 for a box of cereal or a $15 for a pound of beef. If we keep scaling there is NO way in hell we are going to be able to feel our appetite for gas and our appetite for cheap food.
I've never understood this thought that there aren't any electrical "filling stations". Go to the gas station at night - do they have lights? Yes? Then they can supply electricity.
You don't see any hookups because there aren't any electric cars yet (well ok, there's a handful out there, but there are far more Prius's than actual electric cars). The big question is whether you'll be able to recharge your battery in a reasonable amount of time at the gas station. Until then, you'll either be charging your electric car at home and only driving it around the city, or you'll be filling it up with gas for the longer trips out of state where you have to drive several hundred miles.
Obviously that's not ideal, it all depends on whether battery technology catches up...but if it does, since gas stations already get electric power it's not going to be a big jump for them to add a way to plug in your car there.
Paul Rivers, filling stations won't implement this until the very last minute in order to rinse every last pence/cent out of us all.
It wouldn't surprise me if the solution to fossil fuels in cars was already invented but it had just been bought up by BP & co. until they deemed necessary. Yes this is unlikely but you never know... Or do you?!
Horseshit. I run OS X and watch how the processor scales. Now maybe on the old school G4's it could scale well but on the new Macintels it sure as hell doesn't. I watch my MBP's CPU and it routinely is scaled to its full capacity of 2.23Ghz. Also a similarly speced out XPS 1530 gets pretty damn close to my MBP in terms of battery life with Vista on it.
I'm so sick of these Apple dipshits, eating the company line without using their fracking brain. Here's a thought....think for yourself for once you moron.
You store energy, not power. Power density is just a descriptive metric.
This got mistranslated.
The original Nikkei says that you can RECHARGE the battery up to 10000 times, which is 20X more than what current Li-ion batterys can handle.
Doen't say anything about power.
Also, Subaru is a division of Fuji Heavy Industries
POWER...NOT energy density...
Looks like some bad translation and/or understanding here. Other press releases talk about delivering 20Amps of current by reducing internal resistance compared to standard Lithium cobalt chemistries.
Move along, nothing to see here. The entire industry is gearing up for higher current LiFePO4, LiMn2O4 and other chemistries. Its all about the environment and faster charge/discharge rates.
A lithium battery that is cheaper and lasts a LOT longer sounds really good news to me, especially when thinking I'm not gonna buy another gas-guzzler as my car. But if you can recharge 10000 times, that's only about 3-5x improvement, since even now you can recharge li-ion electric car batteries about 2000-3000 times. At least what manufacturers promise. Well, even that would mean you could drive around million miles (with 100mile range and 10000 recharges) before you need to change the battery to a new one...