With that
May launch window closing fast, it looks like Nokia might get
Ovi Store in under the proverbial wire: it just went live on Vodafone in Australia, which was soon followed by other carriers, and then Ireland and Singapore. According to a post that was subsequently pulled from Nokia's Conversations blog, Nokia confirmed the rollout and said that it was progressively moving the Ovi Store to "production servers," and that we could "expect a broader announcement and consumer availability soon." Unfortunately, since that post has been pulled, we're not really sure what to expect, but at least the lucky few with Ovi can beam back important missives on their Twittix apps about what life is like in
the future. Above are shots of the store live on an N97.
posted May 25th 2009 12:02PM
I'm wondering, is an operator firmware update the only way to install the Ovi Store or will they give us a .sis(x?) file... If your operator chooses to give your handset the Ovi Store, I might be screwed. Fucking Rogers is still on v. 11. I'm going to debrand from Rogers as soon as the warranty runs out.
It seems that you get the Ovi Store .sis from the Download! app, you install that to get access.
I've heard that Apple has already done this App Store stuff and Nokia can't improve upon it and will likely fail in the process. Moving on.....
Sweet!..look forward to further posts.
Oh Very Interesting.......Hmmmm I think I just spelled out what OVI might mean.
Sad to disappoint you but ovi means door. ;-)
"Door" in Finnish
It's plural for ovum.
Not.
I just think its odd that they only use a three star rating system.
I kinda like the 3 star rating, its straight forward
1 star = Bullshit, Poor or Gabbage
2 star = Good, Not bad or On par
3 star = Excellent, Superb or Outstanding
The rating system doesn't need to be 5- on the iTunes app store, many apps get reviewed 4 or 3 and then later updated, making them a 5 but rated lower. this system allows for good, ok, bad- simple!
That's because they're not gay like Apple.
You can take apple completely out of the equation and you're still going to find that 4 or 5 star ranking systems are more common. Think about hotels. If you want the best you don't go looking for a 3 star do you?
On the other hand there is something to be said about keeping it simple. I wasn't aware until I read the wiki article on star rankings that 3 is (or was) the standard for food reviews. I can see saying that anything much higher then that just leads to inflation. Good, bad, indifferent.
Here is the wiki article on star rankings. Kind of interesting:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_(classification)
hello
Awesome, can't wait for a State side launch...
It's now launched in Australia, Singapore, Ireland and Spain has just been added.
The lowest price I see is €3 ($4.20). Seems a little high.
Twittix is 1.00 Euro = $1.4
You surely have no idea about Linux Repositories. This has once been mentioned here itself on engadget.
The concept of an app store isn't new but a rebranding of the way people distribute and download packages and softwares for their Linux distros through online repositories. Apple may call is revolutionary or innovation but its basically a similar concept.
Also Nokia's Ovi is also a rebranding of their previous central place for sharing and distributing mobile content, i.e. Nokia MOSH. MOSH was launched an year earlier in August 2007 compared to the App Store (launched in July 2008).
Funny, reminds me of something. Where I have I seen this before? Can't put my finger on it... Fruit, shop, online, hmm...
Yeah, god forbid if there was more than one store in the world.
God forbid Nokia actually succeeds in their app store venture. Let me see. Nokia has been around since the dark ages of smartphones (just before the birth of the iPhone) and now they're finally getting around to starting their own store like every other smartphone company did this year. I wonder what company gave them all this innovative and brilliant idea. God forbid Nokia comes up with something original. God forbid they actually have a million downloads this year with those prices.
This is the third incarnation of nokia shop, there used to be apps shop long before the fruitcake company.
You surely have no idea about Linux Repositories. This has once been mentioned here itself on engadget.
The concept of an app store isn't new but a rebranding of the way people distribute and download packages and softwares for their Linux distros through online repositories. Apple may call is revolutionary or innovation but its basically a similar concept.
Also Nokia's Ovi is also a rebranding of their previous central place for sharing and distributing mobile content, i.e. Nokia MOSH. MOSH was launched an year earlier in August 2007 compared to the App Store (launched in July 2008).
World wide launch would come any time soon, as of now Ovi.com is unavailable, because of maintenance work. Can't wait to fill up my e71x and my upcoming N97. Ovi is so gonna blow app store away... Just wait and see....
Don't know if ATT is going to allow such a store on the E71x.
Operators take 40%, Nokia 30% and developers get 30% after Nokia has charged all of their other fees.
Big difference to App Store where developer gets 70%.
BFish spreading lies and FUD on almost every Nokia related topic.
Devloppers get 70%.
Operators get small cut, but only if purchase is charged through operator billing. Its nowhere near 40%
Where on earth did you get those made up figures from?
The deleloper takes 70% of Gross sales, net of refunds and returns, less applicable taxes and, where applicable, fixed operator billing costs.
It is just standard BFsih posting. Everytime there is something about Apple's competitors on Engadget ,you can be sure that Bfish is there to spread some FUD. Not even the usual "Apple is Best" fanboism, but just flatout lies.
Its same as apple's app store billling 30% for Nokia and Operators 70% for developers
That share policy on apps that are paid via operator invoice was on finnish it-press well over month ago:
40-30-30.
Nokia also takes first 500€ of sales and registrationfee per app is 50€.
@BFish
Ok then. Give us the link to that source.
Otherwise shut the fuck up.
Your figures are fantasy at best.
Nothing to fo with reality.
@Mark Andersson.
Enjoy ! (Details on those othor charges you can find from Ovi yourself)
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''Nokian mukaan kehittäjät saavat myyntituloista 70 prosenttia, operaattorin osuuden ja kulujen jälkeen. Eric John arvioi, että operaattorin osuus on tyypillisesti 40 prosenttia myyntihinnasta. Kehittäjillä on kuitenkin mahdollisuus myydä ohjelmia myös ilman operaattoria, mutta tällöin ohjelma ei näy puhelimessa olevassa sovelluksessa.''
http://www.tietokone.fi/uutta/uutinen.asp?news_id=37455
actually...nokia has the most developer friendly app store out of them all...android, apple, blackberry, windows.
dont like quoting gizmodo on here...but they did a nice round up of them all a while back:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2009/04/giz_explains_app_stores.png
nokia has no developer fee, unlimited listings, and 70% commission to developers. less if billed through the mobile operator, which wont happen in the USA anyway with at&t not backing any real s60 phones.
@BFish
Translation please. Finnish is a fine language bu I'm betting 95% of the people here don't speak it.
This here is the original english text out of which the finnish text is made:
"Richard: You have indicated that several operators will integrate Ovi Store with their billing – how will this affect the publicised 70/30 revenue split?
Eric: I believe we have been clear that the revenue split is after operator billing charges and any applicable taxes. Typically operator billing charges will be around forty per cent of the purchase price. However, this needs to be considered against the fact that operator billing offers a seamless purchase process to the user. This normally results in a higher level of sales compared to credit card purchases.
Richard: Despite the benefits of using operator billing, some developers may want to compensate for what they see as a loss of revenue, will they be able to do that?
Eric: Developers are able to pick the price at which their application sells, and that will be the price to consumers whether they choose to buy with a credit card or via operator billing. Developers can however choose which markets to sell into, they could make their application available exclusively for credit card based purchases or choose to sell exclusively via operator billing or use both channels.
It's a question of how much reach the developer wants to give their application. I certainly think that the ease-of-use and user acceptance of operator billing easily outweighs any perception of lost revenue from paying for the operator’s billing charges.
Perhaps the most important issue here is transparency and we plan to be open with developers about exactly what revenue splits will be taking place. I believe this is all clearly laid out in the terms and conditions, so everything is on the table. Ultimately we want to work with developers to optimise sales, get as many applications onto as many devices as possible, and help them grow their businesses.!"
So, there's a option to pay through operators phonebill if wanted, but not mandatory. Developers can still sell it with only credit card.
Oh, forgot to add, its going to be 70% of the 60% left after operators divident which comes to 42%, not 30%.
Translation for Mark Anderson:
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According to Nokia developers will get 70% of the sales after operator fee and other fees have been deducted.
Eric John estimates that operators will take typically 40% of the saleprice. Developers have a chance to sell apps also witout operator but those will not appear in the application of the phone.
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Happy now ? Not my fault that Nokia getting the operators eat the pie. Apple has negotation power to skip
operators from the revenue sharing of App Store but that's not Nokia's way.
Looks just like Apple's app store, especially with the navigation on the top...
No way! It's a list with thumbnails! Somebody call the police! Exclamation mark!
@L
Actually, he's right. The above screenshots have a lot of visual cues that Nokia haven't used before and which look awfully similar to Apple's way of doing things. They also use Apple's business model (the 70:30 thing).
I don't really care much that they're copying Apple, but I don't like that they're copying anybody. Why isn't anyone challenging the 70:30 ratio and trying to promote their platform by giving developers a bigger cut? That would be a much better strategy than the "me too" plethora of mobile application stores we're seeing.
Nokia fired all their R&D people. They just go and buy iPhones and copy everything they like. No sense in reinventing the wheel. If Nokia went and did something like that, they'd have nothing but flat spots.
Check those screens in a month or two. They'll look exactly like the iPhone 3 screens except for some minor spelling mistakes.
i win!
I never win. Let's change that
;)
how do we check to see if it's available for us? I've got the N95-4 in the USA by the way
Go to Download! app on your phone. Refresh content. See, if there is "Nokia Extras" folder in your updated list. Open...
works great, pretty slick on the 5800, there's just very little in the store (in Ireland anyway) much the same content (apps) as the download! app, hopefully they'll get more stuff soon.
Reminds me of his recent post where he claimed that Nokia was giving up hig end phones to Apple. Then he linked to swedish news paper article which only said that Nokia was going to replace S40 with Symbian on low end phones in the future.