We're still a little dubious about
this one, but word is out that one narf2006 has successfully installed Windows XP on an Intel iMac, has gotten it to
boot (despite
the EFI
issue, and apparently after extensive hacking), and is now asking for volunteers to test his process on other
Intel-based Macs. And that last bit is really what has us thinking this may be more than just the latest Photoshop art
project. Sure, narf may be hoping that a share of the $12,000 he stands to win in the
XP on Mac contest could
convince some other Mac owners to help him perpetuate a fraud. But this is starting to look like it just might be real,
blurry pics and all.
posted Mar 14th 2006 8:22AM
He should make a movie to prove it.
That's final: I'm getting a mac. And I'm gonna install XP on it! Long live Microsoft! Death to macs! And I'll be on both sides: I like the mac hardware and the microsoft software.
oops... i meant death to mac os.
Um, Joe, you might want to wait until this is verified.
How is it that a person who is capable of running an OS on a machine that's not designed to run it, is incapable of taking decent photo of it running ... or a video for that matter? I know that if I managed to do something that was potentially worth $12k, I'd for sure figure out a way to make it almost impossible to debunk.
Page appears to be down, but if its real than damn... there went 12k
Here's the Flickr photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/32436196@N00
Some of those pictures were posted 3 weeks ago...
While it is certainly true that he should be able to get a decent quality shot as proof, I would venture to guess that given the race for $12k, you don't want to lose just because you get held up in Wal-Mart lines.
If this is indeed true then I will buy another MacTel and I plan to keep it this time LOL!
why does the right side of the screen not line up with the toolbar on the bottom right?
I just don't see why you couldn't take a clear picture. I don't think it is photoshop. I think he is running a G5 iMac with the build in isight and running virtual pc. I can use my mac and generate video and high resolution pictures to go along with it. Using virtual PC. When someone post instructions on how to install Windows XP on an Intel based mac and I can do it myself I will believe it. I think they need to do away with that stupid $12,000 prize so people will start working together on this.
#5 -- 3 words: cell phone camera. God's answer to "How do I stop people from taking high quality snapshots".
I notice that the fine sleuths at E)) have not reported their usual "EXIF header contains Photoshop tags" debunkery...
This looks like someone is shining a projector onto a Mac because.
1. the right side has a bit missing
2. it's overly bright
3. top and bottom have light leakage
Guess we have to wait a little while longer folks.
if you notice the distortion in the photo... he probably can't take a clear picture because he has an ultra crappy camera.
Intel iMac......$1699
crappy camera...$20
making the world think you're about to win $12,000.... priceless
Anyone else noticed that is now shows the account has been suspended?
His website account has now been suspended apparently. Could this simply be due to bandwidth?
"could convince some other Mac owners to help him perpetuate a fraud."
This is the most illogical engadget post I've ever seen. To win the money a person has to e-mail the owner of the "pot" the instructions. No doubt he is going to test it and post it. At which point narf wins. That is unless you think the owner of the pot is in on it but he would have to post the instructions on HOW to install it and at that point the game is REALLY over.
You are still "a little dubious"? Ha ha - I have always thought that too. Oh, and I think the screenshots are dubious too ;o)
Rather than post such an awful photo, I'd have just drawn a picture of it with crayons. It would still give a general idea of what appeared on the screen.
If Apple unlocks Windows installation, but they say it is not supported, will they sell more units? I bet. So what is the deal? What is their strategic thinking process that prohibits dual OS install on their machines?
#9 - If you look carefully at the side of the screen, it is not a problem with the image lining up with the toolbar, something is partially blocking the view of that side of the computer (it extends beyond the screen to also block the frame around the screen.)
If it is a fake, I'd say its the Virtual PC kind, and not a projector or photoshop job.
I really don't understand why someone would even want to put windows on an apple machine.
You pay a premium for the apple name when you can just buy a better box from another vendor.
I just don't get it!
Wow the morons are out in force today.
1. Projector...HA. A better suggestion would be that he hooked up the internal LCD to a PC. Fanbois can make anything up. Stupid fanbois.
2. The boxy thing covering the screen is another monitor.
3. Its a crappy shot because its dark. MANY camera phones suck in the dark. He turns on the light or uses a flash the end result would be a pretty damn washed out screen.
The way he did it was to hack VGA compatibility into the installer and to use a CSM module cobbled together. There isn't anything overly magical here. What we've needed all along is someone who REALLY knows what they are doing. Narf seems to be that person; who just don't have the money for a decent camera.
Seriously people I've heard more coherent arguments from intelligent design proponents. For those who have been following this on winxponmac the last few weeks this does APPEAR legit. But stranger things have happened.
PS- Engadget's posting engine still sucks my white ***.
What's illogical is that anyone wants this. Running Windows on a Mac for pure reason of "see what I did" factor, I can understand. But the fact that there are people saying, "I been waiting for the day I can run Windows on Mac hardware" is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Most mac users prefer Apple for the OS, not the hardware. Indeed, many complain that the hardware is too expensive, and most of the less expensive computers can't really be upgraded, except for the memory. For about the same money you lay out for a Mactel, you could get a just-as-nice, if not better, PC from Alienware or another high-end PC company, and it will be more upgradeable, too.
#19
And that's on all of the pictures I've seen of this. That's the only thing that makes me suspicious. Of course, I have zero interest in running Windows on my Mac, so I'm not a doubter, but I think there is room for suspicion. If he's actually done what he says, having a few doubters will make the reward that much better.
Why do people keep on asking this retarded question!! Some people require XP for work. Some people want XP for games. Chooseing to have greater choice by putting XP on a Mac doesn't ruin the Mac, it only makes it more versatile.
eBoy,
Please shut the hell up. Right now I'm carrying 2 fracking laptops with me around town. My MBP and my ThinkPad X31. All told its a bit over 10 lbs in computer hardware I'm carrying.
For those of us who exist in the REAL world we need to do out job and that requires access to software and utils that do not exist on the Mac or if they do they aren't compatible with the rest of the world. Again take your Apple zealot crap somewhere else the rest of us have work to do.
Wouldn't it be easy as pie to just take a screen shot on a Windows machine and view that screen shot on a Mac? Perhaps do a little Photoshop work if necessary to make it fit, etc.? Wouldn't that be a visually flawless way to appear to have Windows running on a Mac for a photograph? Seems like a much more obvious way to pull of a fraud of this sort than projecting an image onto a screen, or Photoshoping a Windows screen image onto a PHOTO of a Mac, and making it blurry so no one could tell.
As has been noted before, if macs run windows, the 3rd party developers may choose to develop for one platform only...windows.
What was more interesting when going over his flickr photos was a comment to look out for this project too... http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/misc/legacyboot/
Look at the lower right hand corner, isnt that the Windows XP Embedded version? Also I thought that win Windows first boots the Recycle Bin icon is in the upper left corner?
Even if this one isn't real, Amit Singh from IBM and kernelthread.com (slashdotted 16 times for excellent technical articles on various bits of internals of Apple hardware and Mac OS X) has his own legacy boot solution as well. From a rejected submission elsewhere:
It appears that Amit Singh of IBM Almaden Research Center, of kernelthread.com and author of Mac OS X Internals, has devised a method to allow legacy, or BIOS-based, booting on Intel-based Macs, which they're calling "BAMBIOS". This means operating systems that currently only support legacy booting, such as many Linux distributions that don't yet support EFI, or things like Windows XP and the forthcoming Windows Vista (the 32-bit version of which will lack EFI support), will now be able to run on Intel-based Macs without modification (and completely legally).
So even if narf2006's solution isn't real, Amit's solution most certainly is, since he has a great deal of credibility. One way or another, we'll all be able to boot Windows directly on our Intel-based Macs.
Also, I just spoke with Colin Nederkoorn (the guy running the contest) moments ago, and narf2006's solution has NOT been submitted to him yet. He said that narf2006 said he's "cleaning it up" and will be submitting it "later this week". So, no one, including Colin, has actually seen this solution working yet. Also, he apparently hasn't been in communication with Amit on the BAMBIOS solution as yet...
John Doe,
Do yourself a favor and sell the MBP, and just carry around your ThinkPad....Then you don't have to use a mac, carry a mac, or even worry about compatability..Wow I just saved you lots of heavy carrying and stress!! :o
eBoy is right, if all you want to do is run Windoze, why bother with more expensive hardware from Apple? I'm sure your IBM is much more durable, less expensive, and lighter. SO just use ONE computer instead of two.
Don't carry two "fracking"(what the hell is fracking anyway?) laptops. Also, if you have sooo much work to do, what are you doing on this blog?
(25) Right on. I would love a portable machine to dual boot XP and OS X, mainly for testing purposes. Develop website in OS X and then test it on XP. Right now I have to make a Remote Desktop Connection to my PC while I am developing on the road to test on XP and that is slow as molasses.
This may be a fake. When is the last time you saw the Windows XP Professional version tag at the bottom right?
Just as a "food for thought" question.
What if this (the photos) is the iMac G5 with Virtual PC running windows xp in full screen.
Hay, hate to sound stupid, but you wouldn't want ot be the fool, if it were true.
account suspended
My feel tell me that that person might use pictures in iPhoto or Preview in full screen to make look like Windows XP running on iMac.
I test myself and running on eMac in full screen and it look totally real but it's fake.
Here is example that took from Canon S400.
http://iballoon.crazytech.com/pix/fake_winxp_emac.jpg
You really have to wonder why every dual boot post brings out Morons'R'Us, incapable of understanding the advantages of dual boot.
Some of us like to use multiple OS's. Get over it. My PC was once set up to tri-boot. Win98/Win2k/Linux. Linux was my secure, internet OS, Win2k was the best of Microsoft and Win98 was kept for some games that didn't like win2k. Note Win98 and Win2k together to ease a transition.
This would essentially be the same thing I would do with a Windows/Mac dual boot. Be able to move to the Mac without leaving anything behind. Win-Win.
If your tiny minds can't handle that, stick with your one OS and be happy.
Coasterjob
"Fracking" / "Frack" - Made popular by the TV show Battlestar Galactica on the SciFi channel.
This has already been answered, but I'll just add another voice to the whole question of "why would anyone want to install windows on a mac?". The answer is that I prefer OS X, but still would like to be able to run Windows for some things (primarily games). In this case, yes, I'm willing to pay a premium to own Apple hardware which allows me to run OS X (vs. building or buying a PC and running Windows on it), and the added bonus of being able to install and run Windows and Windows games on it is a nice bonus that allows me to have an OS X machine and not have to buy a separate PC for Windows. To answer the people who say "why not just buy a PC if you want to run Windows?" - again, the thing that I would miss with that is being able to run OS X, which is my preference.
Why do people keep asking the same old question. " why would you want windows on a mac bla bla bla " First hand exp for me is I need a pc for work "mcse work in it " Mac has no place here but I love the design feel and build quality of a mac, I would love to dabble in OSX on my own time and feel its a nice OS but i absolutly need windows for work and most of my stuff. That is why I would want to boot windows and probaly why alot of others would too.
Even if he did have a movie it wouldn't be hard for him to just run a quicktime movie in fullscreen mode that he made with training software on a M$ fueled machine. I can't see why you'd want to run XP on a Mac anyway, I want to see OS X on a wintel box. All that lovely UNIX power and stability. :)
My guess is it's a Virtual PC copy. Run VPC, and simply put it in fullscreen mode. A la Windows on a Mac. In fact, I just did it on my Powermac G5 to prove the point. Looks EXACTLY like Windows running on a Mac.
It was a nice try, but I'd like to see him go to the System control panel and show us the actual GHz and RAM ratings for it.
Now, you can even check this fantastic background on a Mac. You could even get a photo from the real place it ('Bliss' desktop picture) comes from: http://www.zzz.ch/photos/landscapes/switzerland/joux/colline_des_taupes/
We just wish Bill Gates would tell us if he took the picture during on of his trips to Switzerland...
To all the people saying the right side of the screen doesn't look right - it's the same in all the photos he posted. I mean, if he did photoshop it, why make the same mistake 6 times? I'd say his camera just has a really sh*t lense.
I have an Intel iMac and I want to run windows on it. Why?
1) For the "cool" factor of being able to run a non Apple OS on my Apple branded computer. I'm a geek, what do you expect :D
2) To allow me to run the odd windows application that I might need to use. This is not so important for me, but it is for others in my company. We're trying to migrate everyone over to Macs, as seemlessly as possible, and using the latest hardware, so that means Intel based Macs.
Email is no issue, we can convert that over, but we have various databases that are MS Access based, and there's no MS Access on the mac, so transitioning that is a little tricky. Yeah, we could export the data and put it into something else, and that will probably happen over time, however, from second one we need people to be able to access the database. We also have accounting packages that again are Mac only and cannot instantly, if ever, be converted over.
Right now the only solution we really have is the Q (based on QEMU) emulator. We've got win 98 installed, however, the networking is somewhat limited (it might be Q, might be the Mac OS) and this prevents Access from being to access the database if it's on a network drive, and this is a critical point, the DB must be network hosted, so for now, we don't have a solution we can use.
VPC for Intel isn't here and who knows when/if it will be.
So right now, being able to dual boot an Intel iMac into Mac OS X and Windows would be very useful indeed.
Guy's there is something over the right side of the screen. It looks like a light spring jacket or long sleve shirt, it looks blue with a grey stripe in the middle of the sleve. From Adidas maybe?
I don't really know if it's real the glare is wierd, it looks like be took them with a camera phone or something.
My Stupid Comment...
Wait I looked at the flikr bank of pics. No it's not a shirt / jacker its a blind. Like the slat blind floting over the screen.
And the Real VGA! titled picture is a little screwed it looks like it's comming out of the SCREEN ( in the lower right hand corner). Anywho after some examination it looks sorta real, sorta fake. I just really wanto belive it.
I think Apple should just release a Rossetta equivalent to run Windows apps on OSX.
I have a small Nikon camera witch can take very high res. and sharp pics. Why then this pic is so blurry with all the strange light effect on it?
To ensure that every pics are legit, they should send at least 5 good pics of any angle, for the moment I'm not a believer and the EFI fix should be explain. By the way, the their web site is down.
Mac Fanyboys, why the hell do you protest this so damned much.
God what a bunch a whiny little girls.
It'll happen, it's a matter of time.
i guess all these morons "why would anyone wants windows on mac" do not have a clue what dualboot is. they don't understand that you can restart computer and have mac os x running, restart again and have windows running.
"Mac Fanyboys, why the hell do you protest this so damned much."
I don't know, they look like PC fanboys(eBoy), telling people they are idiots buying overpriced Apple hardware when they could get a better PC for cheaper from alienware.
Link leads to a page displaying: "Account Suspended".
Uh oh...
Seriously, why would you wanna do this? I acknowledge the point that some ppl might need to run windows apps, but why not run them under VmWare (that will be released quite soon) and then run them at almost the same speed as you would in a native windows system. Don't understand people would rather run a buggy piece of junk software like windows, when you get the most superior commercial operating-system with your hardware.
OS X + Vmware or Wine is the only way to go if you need to run windows-apps.
Google cached site of the contest
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:TPXIGxuNdbsJ:windowsxp.onmac.net/The%2520Contest.html+XP+on+Mac+contest+&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:zsaO1uZ8DWYJ:windowsxp.onmac.net/forum/+Windows+XP+on+an+Intel+Mac+The+Official+Forum&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=2&client=safari
#19: Apple is doing nothing to prevent installation of other OS'. Apple chose to go with EFI rather than BIOS. It's the other OS' that aren't compatible with EFI yet.
I don't think Apple gives a rats @$# if people install Windows. They aren't going to go out of their way to use BIOS just for that reason though.
Yes, that is real. I have personally seen it myself. I work for CompUSA, and I've worked the Apple certified Reseller, and we both installed Windows XP and Vista Beta 2, on a MacTel. It's all possible, you just gotta flash the bios, rewrite the boot codes, and it will install just like it was a PC. The only bad thing is that it runs like a PC, slow, bogged, and nasty. It's due the MAC OSX software that runs on those machines that allows it to be so smooth, and not require large PF use.
#51 Sorry to tell you that there are some DirectX and DirectShow Windows aps that don't run using emulation software, including games.
Windows is the superior machine for HTPC use as well...ffdshow, descaler and numerous other Windows home theater software applications do not run under emulation either.
mvip, would you enjoy running "emulated" software on an everyday basis? try running anything that uses openGL under VPC, and you killed yourself when you said 'at almost the same speed', because i sure as hell know you wouldn't enjoy running apps at not-so-optimal performance.
WTF!?! You engadget guys are freaking killing me. You have the worst link etiquette I have seen since '96. I can only possibly assume it is due to your wanting to increase your page views, because it damn sure isn't for usability reasons. How about giving your loyal readers a break and link to the item you claim to be linking to and not another page on your site!
For instance. In this very article you have a link, the text of which is "XP on Mac contest". Where do you think most people would assume this goes? I would say that most people would assume this link goes to the content site. I did. Maybe, just maybe, there ARE a few people who would assume this goes to another article on your page. But for sure they would expect it to be an article whose focus is the contest.
Does this link point to either of these two things? NO!!! Where does it point? To an article about running effing linux on a mac, which happens to have NEAR THE BOTTOM of the article a link to the actual contest site. ridiculous.
Just so I am clear, I don't have any issue with you referencing an article on your own site, as long as the link (or content surrounding said link) makes that clear.
While we are on the subject, it is equally annoying when you make the text "Extensible Firmware Interface" a link and make it go to a search on your site for "EF
I". I would claim most people would expect this to go to an authoratative page or definition of EFI.
You do this all of the time and it drives me crazy. I would love to hear from others if I am in the minority, or if the rest of your readers are equally annoyed.
About a trillion nanoseconds ago, I worked in a computer retail store in the '70's. We sold Macs and PCs. One day I did a screen capture of the Mac screen, saved it to a disk, converted it to BMP and saved it as the wallpaper on an IBM PC. Of course, none of the icons were functional but it did fool some people for a while.
This can't be a virtual PC fake because Virtual PC doesn't run on the intel Macs. So if it's faked, it must be from another way.
Personally, I don't think it's fake. The low quality pictures would make any photoshopping even harder. A crisp, clear picture is MUCH easier to doctor than a blurry one like this. Because then you have to copy the blurriness just right or it looks fake.
So far, the best fake idea I've seen is a screenshot. But as far as I know, you can't take a screenshot during the boot/install process of XP. So it would have to be loaded in another, already installed OS, run in full screen from a program like VMware or Virtual PC, then a screen shot taken. Then the screenshot shown in full screen and a picture taken with a camera phone. All in all, not impossible. But then you have to wonder about the pictures from earlier in the boot process--the ones with what looks like kernel output on most of the screen with the windows installer in the corner. Were these just failed early attempts? Maybe.
But frankly, if Amit Singh is close, it makes sense that someone else is also close to making this happen. And maybe they're just a little closer.
In the end, we won't know for sure either way until it's proven/disproven when the instructions/code are/is released. In the mean time, I'll be holding my breath and counting the seconds--and booting my Macbook into OS X.
so sudon1m said it wasthetruth, and he is still in middle of verrifying it, but he said it works!!!!! i cant wait for the solution, nurf2006 actually did it!!!
HELLO PEOPLE.
THERE IS NOTHING MISSING ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN, LOOK AT THE PICTURE CAREFULLY, THERE IS SOMETHING BLOCKING THE SCREEN, AS YOU CAN SEE THE BACKGROUND FAINTLY BEHIND IT.
Ryan is a moron. This is the iMac G5, not the intel iMac.
Step 1) in Windows
Step 2) Copy clipboard into paint, save as jpg
Step 3) Copy file to Mac, display full screen.
Im not dissing what hopefully narf pulled off, but these stupid ideas of how to fake the shot are just dumb. A projector? swap LCD's? far easier ways my friends.
I hate apple anyway, any company that would sue its fansite over first amendment rights should be boycotted.
Add this to the fact that now Apple has the whole parliament from France against it.
Windows on a Mac? France open iTunes to the masses?
Whats next, Apple dumps IBM for Intel?
read here http://www.devicetodevice.com
For all the idiots jumping in and claiming this to be fake straightaway...remember one thing...HE HAS TO PROVE IT TO WIN THE MONEY...so what would be the point of fake pictures...he has to prove it by having someone else replicate it.
why not just make osx work on a pc then you can have cheap hardware and dual boot
Well, it still could be virtual PC on another computer, and using VNC or Remote Desktop to bring it to that one. Although, I'll ask the same question here that I did on /.: What's with all that read DCHS stuff?
the earliest flickr pics are crystal clear, but become increasingly fuzzy/questionable (just what is that black thing in the way in the final picture?) as they go on.
as for those clear bars above/below the screen, they look like blinds behind the photographer to me.
First off, the version information in the bottom right corner is a Windows XP function, it can be turned on & off (i believe using tweakUI or tweakXP) - just google it and you can find it.
2nd, has anyone noticed the lack of the power light on the front of the mac? normaly theres this white light that lights up an area of the front casing on the iMac.
Hopefuly its a hardware glitch, because who really likes the MacOS anyways? - lol.
I think it's real, for one thing, if you look closely at the right side of the screen, it looks like a few pixels are "missing".
The same thing happen[s|ed] with linux on the Mactel. The effect could be faked with a screenshot, but would a faker think about that? Also, the screenshot method would require another PC with the same screen resolution as the Mactel and the Mactel does not use a very common resolution.
Finally, the fact that the installer appears in the top corner of the screen makes sense, as after an intial text-mode section, the installer goes into framebuffer mode after booting the NT kernel. If the system did not change resolution at that stage (due to hacked VGA support that can't change res) then the screen would likely appear in that position.
I bet the guy is just waiting until the last possible moment to announce so the jackpot will keep going up.
i think its virtual pc on a g5 or he gutted a imac and put in a display thats hokked to a pc in the case but what do i dont know
Three letters. V.N.C. look it up yo
The thing over the right side of the screen is the edge of a flat panel monitor like a Dell. The line going down the middle is where the screen ends and the case begins. The iMac is just sitting next to another monitor. As for if this is a fake or not...
#57, thats baloney Victor since it is not just a matter of flashing the BIOS and rewriting the boot codes. The Intel Mac does not use a traditional BIOS and instead uses EFI. Flashing would not work at all. The only way to add legacy support is via a CSM for EFI and indepth technical knowledge and lower level programming skills is required in order to accomplish that. If it were easy, a large number of potential solutions would be in the running for this contest. Given that Amit Singh of Kernelthread is a credible, capable, and knowledgable person (he has a book called Mac OS X Internals), their last update said they were still working to get XP booting with their custom BIOS. If you folks at CompUSA had done it already, then it makes little sense that you aren't even running in this widely known contest or given that you said you folks did it, can win this contest. As the saying goes, put up or shutup.
#74, if it is a fake, it could be done with the PowerPC version of Virtual PC in fullscreen mode, The last iMac G5 revision with iSight is essentially indistinguishable from the iMac Core Duo.
For those suggesting a screenshot/capture of the Windows XP device manager, this would also prove nothing since one can accomplish the same thing on a Dual Core Windows box from say Dell and then superimposing that part into the image captured from an iMac G5 running VPC (if we're talking about a fake). And for those "lets check for traces of Photoshop in the EXIF data", that metadata is easy to strip out
The only way this will all be verified shortly in due time is by the peer review process (assuming that this entire contest is not rigged which according to people who personally know the site owner, is a credible person meaning the contest is on the up-and-up). However, beyond the first PM'd, first served method of reviewers, they should also get some of the credible donators such as Delicious Monster or Macslash to also participate as peer reviewers. This would help to placate those who are dubious and think there might be some shills in this contest.
Even if this one is a hoax, Amit Singh (kernelthread and osxbook) and company will come up with a solution. Looking at their overview, it also seems to be a far more robust method which does not require hacking which is something that seems to be required in the narf2006 example.
GAME OVER!
I DID IT!!
http://img469.imageshack.us/img469/6455/winxponmac6nu.jpg
(feel free to lookup VNC)
#57: there is no bios to flash you moron
#60: the page is down, as said many many times, its not their fault take a fucking chill pill
#64: lay off with the caps
Why would anyone WANT to run XP on a Mac? OS X is sooooo better. It's like hacking a supercomputer to play 70's Atari games on
try reading the comments before you comment people, we've answered the why do you wanna do this question about 10 times now
This is all very nice. It means there is the possibility to dual boot (maybe) at somepoint. BUT, why would someone buy a Mac for the hardware? You can get much faster PCs for less.
You would buy a Mac for the software though, it is what makes it different (better, if you like it) to a PC.
I will now wait for people to yell and scream that it is a sexy designed piece of hardware blah blah blah.
It is, but I wouldn't buy one so I can run XP. (If it booted Linux, that would be a different matter :-P (and it does))
To all Mac/PC fanboys: GET OVER IT!!
I prefer OSX over Windows, but I use both.
Now, do you know what the real difference is between your Alienware PCs and MacIntels?
Nothing.
It's all plastic, silicon, copper, and 5-12 volts of electricity. That's it. Maybe your precious MacIntel has an LCD screen built in, or your little AW came with one, they are essentially the same thing.
Stop your bitching and get on with life. Good hell.
hei,
i kno this is a really stupid question but...are u able to show fullscreen images 0.o
om im so noobish -_-'
The phrase you're looking for is "perpetrate a fraud" NOT "perpetuate a fraud."
i know dual-booting XP/Vista and OSX would be excellent, and so would vpc4intelmacs, but you know what would be best? if someone could get WINE running right on OSXintel.
One OS, no reboots to run most win apps, just like a rosetta, but for wintel on mactel not macppc on mactel.
--neg
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What's illogical is that anyone wants this. Running Windows on a Mac for pure reason of "see what I did" factor, I can understand. But the fact that there are people saying, "I been waiting for the day I can run Windows on Mac hardware" is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Most mac users prefer Apple for the OS, not the hardware. Indeed, many complain that the hardware is too expensive, and most of the less expensive computers can't really be upgraded, except for the memory. For about the same money you lay out for a Mactel, you could get a just-as-nice, if not better, PC from Alienware or another high-end PC company, and it will be more upgradeable, too.
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I very much agree on this, I've been eyeing on the mac system not because of shiny hardware, but the OS, who the heck would buy very expensive hardware just to run windows xp on it?, just to show off that you have a mac? come on, show me the latest mac OS running on legacy PC's perfectly, now that's a much better option for me :)
The "Bliss" default background is (if I remember rightly) only 800x600 resolution. When I put it on my Mac ages ago, it looked extraordinarily pixelated (As the 20" Mac has a 1680x1050 resolution). The "background" in the picture looks too clear to be really there.
whouldnt it have a black bar on the screen like when someone video tapes a screen it moves
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the default background is not 800x600. i'm not sure what it is but it looked fine at 1280x960 back when I used to use windows.
It's not that so many of us are nothing but "fanbois," it's that there are a lot of us who work in video editing, graphic design, layout, print, web design, and other fields that don't require accessing arcane server databases for terabytes of information, and as such are able to do all our work, home and paid, on a Mac system and either have a separate gaming box for gaming or live off platform games.
Trust me, after a very short time of working in a Mac friendly industry it's easy to forget that most people have jobs that use specialized database software or other proprietary, industry specific, software that's Windows only.
Add to that long held hostility between the two communities and "yaaay, booting Windows on a Mac!" sounds like the rallying cry of 18th century imperialism, when it is more realistically a small sigh of escape from Gates.
Geez, i've been doing this crap for years.
http://www.qtechtoys.com/uploadpics/winmac.jpg
wow you can photoshop...good job...you're nothing new or special
not photoshopping, putting win xp on macs silly. I was putting win xp on macs before windows xp existed.
It's a hoax. It is so easy to make a nice movie or some pictures.
http://sidde.lokalen.org/temp/Win2000_on_mac-Sidde_H264.MP4
Took me like 2 minutes to make that one. And with some effort, i could make it look real. And that is on a Powermac...
Q - Why would you want to run Windows XP on mac?
A - Dell was fresh out of quad core computers with three PCI-express slots and the ability to add 8 GIGABYTES of ram. Shucks.
Ok, cool, WinXP on a mac. Now I would like to see the mac os running on a regular intel computer. Now if apple would make their OS compatable with regular PC's then maybe people would make more programs and such compatible with both, and the ease of use the apple os has would give MS a run for the money and get some good healthy competition to drive both camps to lower prices and make better software.