Sony cuts PS3 price to $499, new $599 80GB model to hit North America in August
By Conrad Quilty-Harper 
posted Jul 8th 2007 9:39PM
posted Jul 8th 2007 9:39PM
Update: Looks like the cat's out of the bag. Here's the release.
I'm a big proponent of the PS3, but I can't see anyone opting for the 80 gig model honestly.. 20 gigs and Motorstorm? well.. maybe.
Doesn't matter if you have a 1 TERRABYTE drive.
PS3 needs some damn games.
20 gigs more...isn't going to make or break anyone's PS3 buying decisions. Is it just me, or is a 20 GB upgrade for $100 in a time where entire 400 gig drives go for less than that a bit stingy and um...not very enticing?
I think Sony might stop making the 60GB version and be back at its old price-point in exchange for a measely 20GB extra. Clever?
And a $60+tax game..
It needs more games and programs. It's pretty sad when the only killer application for the PS3 is Folding at home or HD Movies and not entertainment (game) software.
I for one love Resistance and Motorstorm. But I agree, it's time for more than 1 or 2 hot games.. although the PS3 did come out much later than the 360 and hasn't had as much time to build up it's library. I think HAZE is gonna be the start of some really good things.
2.5" 80GB HDDs go for ~$80. No word on 400GB drives, let alone 300GB... Still doesn't justify adding a mere 20GB and a single game... how bout a HDMI cable? Sony's cable standalone is $50 MSRP... eep... include that overpriced cable in the box...
I am a proponent of the PS3 too. I want to see it succeed. However, it takes nothing more than to look at how the systems packaging is dominated by the Blu Ray logo to realize that SONY misplaced their priorities during the latter half of the system's pre-release.
It is shameful, that SONY didn't have more titles available. Of course, if SONY really intends to give the system a 10 year (or 15 year) lifespan, this may all blow over eventualy.
Howard Stringer Sony's CEO said at this years annual shareholders meeting that there will be 380 NEW games for the PS3 over the new year, that will add to the 100 PS3 games that are already on the market.
Wow, Sony needs to get it's crap together. The people that aren't paying 599 for a 60 gb model aren't going to pay 599 for an 80gb model. They need to keep the 60gb model on shelves at 499 or preferably even less.
Smart move by Sony, for sure.
I think this coupled with the E3/TGS announcements they will be making will boost sales throughout the holiday season.
20 GB and a launch game for 100$? Doesn't seem like that good of a deal.
I'm almost certain that they will have something unique that will add to the value proposition of the 80gb SKU.
They could add the blu-ray remote, or perhaps another controller (or include the new one w/ touch sensitive rumble), or include an HDMI cable. They could also come out with different colors for this SKU.
Well um
1 game
20 GB
5 Free Movies (though kind of crappy / very crappy)
I think the better move would have been to bundle a game, a good movie, and an HDMI cable. That would have made the $100 worth it.
for the US, motorstorm wasn't a launch day title anyway(well maybe a launch window title). lets say the game counts for $50, then the extra 20GB is only $50- considerably less than comparable prices elsewhere in the console business.
Anybody have word on what the Canadian price will be? $549.99?
According to rumors that's what it'll be, but I wouldn't be surprised if the stores here just cut the price by $100 to drop the price to $560. We'll lnow soon.
Agreed, the 80GB package isn't very appealing. I don't think another 20GB + Motorstorm would justify paying $100 more. If the price for that package was $550 it would be more appealing. Ohh well, they'll probably phase-out the 60GB model with the 0Gb model at the same price.
What a joke of a company. They said they werent looking into a price cut 3 days ago and then do this. And why would anyone pay $100 for an extra 20 gigs. I thought the XBOX Elite was a bad deal. This is just rediculous.
yeah, why dont we compare this to the xbox 360 premium and the elite shall we:
for an extra 80 bucks you can get the elite that comes an extra 100GB, is black (not that big of a deal) and has HDMI......i think i would take that upgrade any day over an extra 20GB and a game that you can probably find for dirt cheap on ebay.....
Yea, but it would still be an Xbox360... I'll pass..
Who wants to bet that this new PS3 will be silver..?
A joke of a company compared to who? Nintendo, who denied a DS redesign, only to reveal one days later. Or Microsoft who denied any significant hardware failures with the Xbox 360, only to announce a 3 year warranty program to cover a widespread hardware issue that would cost them over a billion dollars.
Actually, they didn't deny it outright, they just refused to comment on it and tiptoed around the question for 2 years. I guess that adds up to about the same thing though.
While I have had to deal with MS tech support since I bought the machine, it was due to a faulty sata connector in the drive itself and had nothing to do with the 360. Redmond had a replacement to me 3 days later, and didn't even charge me shipping after a bit of light arguing with a supervisor, which is hardly worth mentioning as that is SOP really. My only beef with MS is with their outsourced tech support, which is something I have complained about anytime I have to call for one reason or another, and twice in writing.
In any case, at least MS pretends to treat their US game customers as a priority, whereas Nintendo and Sony have never tried to hide the fact that we are second class citizens to them. To a gamer who's choice of DS colors is limited to Black, white, or blue when other countries have them in all colors of the rainbow, it's honestly refreshing to hear gamers in Europe and Japan complain about lack of content over Xbox live marketplace. That's totally petty of me and secretly I am ashamed, but I can't help but feel more endeared to MS for that.
Seeing how a new version of the xbox with new guts and packaged addons will most likely be coming out this holiday season, one can only assume this price cut on the PS3 will all but guarantee it receives a price cut as well. Now that the new extended warranty assures purchasers down the road that they won't be stuck with a broken system or a huge repair bill, I shouldn't have any problems unloading mine on ebay to help pay for a new updated and cheaper Elite 360. This really is good news all around when you think about it.
So Really we can prob say they dropped the price on the DRIVE in the system... Not on the system alone.. What a joke.. really... 20 gigs and motorstorm.. hmmm $20 + $60 is bout $80..
Yeah, new SKU is a ripoff... lol.. gotta love Sony's thinkin...
The real news isn't the new SKU, it's the lower price point. For roughly the same price as a 360 Elite, you get a PS3. The differences between the 360E and PS3 are that the PS3 has a BluRay drive and built-in WiFi. Those additionals for the 360 would bump the cost up considerably.
The only difference in the 360's favour (other than the greater number of games), is the 120GB drive against the 60GB drive. And I really don't see that as much of an issue, as the PS3 lets you upgrade your own drive, and 60GB isn't exactly small. 20GB was too small, 120GB is too much. 60GB is about right IMO.
Oh, and the PS3 looks more promising as regards future updates. It has great integration with the PSP (remote play looks awesome, as does the fact that you can buy PSOne games online and play them on both consoles, synchronising the game saves for when you're on the go). HOME isn't my sort of thing, but it looks like something a lot of people are excited about. We're also getting in to the user-generated content area with games like LittleBigPlanet which let you design your own levels and share them online.
The PS3 was a bit pathetic to begin with, but with a plethora of games and exciting updates coming in the next year, and with a $100 price drop, it looks like it's finally getting it's act together. Only thing is that this change probably won't make it in to europe; you think the US are treated as second-class customers? Try living in Europe!
I have a feeling there will be something MORE in that new 600 dollars SKU. I think Sony will announce it during E3.
Now when I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if the 80GB SKU had the rumble sixaxis controller. That would make the bundle more appealing, especially if Motorstorm is updated with rumble support.
That's exactly what I am thinking... I wouldn't be surprised.
By why does everyone complain anyway? You can now get a 60GB version for 500$. The hard drive size doesn't even matter since you can put as much as you want in there. It's just 100$ cheaper. They have a new 80GB version, but who cares? get the 500$ one and buy whatever game you want and when you run out of space, slap a 500GB one in.
Yeah, same here. I have a feeling Sony will add some extra features to the 80GB PS3, like IPTV the koreans get. I don't think it's rumble though... If only the 80GB PS3 has rumble, I'd be so damn pissed. I just got a 60GB PS3. T-T
I'm with you Tyson. The existing console has dropped in price. Pick it up while you can an don't worry about it. Save the extra $100 for your hdmi cable. Sony is doing us a favor by dropping it's rediculous price, it's just dangeling another carrot at the same time.
Wasn't this obvious? It was apparent they were going to do this as soon as I heard that target was doing the price cut as well.
What the PS3 really needs are some killer apps, besides Motorstorm and Resistance, not so much, I have the PS3 and 360, 360 for games, PS3 for blueray and the hope of things to come.
Sure, I got $599 to spare on anything I want but, should it be the upcoming PS3 or the iPhone? Flipping a coin wouldn't really help me...
I wouldnt trade my iphone for a ps3 ever. Maybe the ps3 will be worth it a year from now but this year so far isnt looking great.
If you had to chose between the two...PS3...At least the PS3 is functional.
Or, get a Mogul, TyTn, Blackberry, i760, etc. if you want/need a phone.
Is the PS3 really functional? IMO I don't think so, the PS3 should be considered a game machine first and foremost, but does it have a lot of games to play?
@TheGuy
The PS3 would be more appealing if all the SKUs had rumble not just the 600$ one. BTW this is an American SKU I don't think they have the license to have rumble in the United States only outside.
I can understand what you're saying about having rumble in all the SKUs, but Sony can't add-it to the PS3s on shelf now. I suspect Sony is gonna phase-out the 60GB model with the 80GB, and if that's the case I cant see Sony adding it to the 60GB model. I suspect Sony is gonna let current stocks of the 60Gb PS3 run-out, then start releasing the 80GB PS3 individually at the same price as the 60GB was.
i will buy one as soon as some games come out and the price drops to 499 CAD.
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um sony didnt change a fucking thing all they did was get rid of the 20gb model o_o.ps3 has always been 500$
There still aren't any GAMES for the damn thing... lower the price as much as you want... I was at the store the other day and they actually have to put out like entire rows of each game to fill up their PS3 section... there are only a handful of games...
Wouldn't a price cut now kind of be admitting that they screwed up on the pricing? You would think that they would have let atleast one round of games hit before the price cut...
Then again... it is really just a Blu-Ray player at heart and the dedicated Blu-Ray players are now cheaper than the PS3... that was really the only big edge it had to justify the price... now even Sony's own Blu-Ray player is cheaper...
NO, Blu-Ray prices have come down in half from where PS3 launched. So now Sony can reduce the prices because of cheaper Blu-Ray diodes.
Wow...Just...Wow...
So you're saying that if the 360 or Wii's prices are dropped, they screwed up on pricing? So the prices on the xbox, PS2, PS1, Gamecube, N64, etc. etc. were all miss-priced?
And, there will always be new games. That isn't really something to knock a console for (there aren't really that many games for the 360 or Wii either), but yeah, that is a problem.
It's not the fact that they are dropping the price, it is the timing between the release and the first price drop that is embarassing.
Isnt the 80gb version the one with Emotion Engine emulation instead of the actual chip? Well, that may or may not matter if PS2 BC is your thing.
How come so many people make it sound like a rip off? I paid 600 for a 60gb PS3 at launch, now for that same 600 you get an additional 20gb of HDD and a $60 game. Seems like a good deal to me.
I think emulation has been present in all ps3 consoles sold in the US since the spring.
I'm going back and forth on getting a $500 ps3. I was going to but decided against it, but now I'm thinking about it again.
The conversion from emotion engine to no emotion engine was supposed to happen later this year according to reports around Feb-March. Dunno when they will convert the 60gb model? I bought a PS3 a month ago and the production date was Feb 2007. The 80gb model will DEFINTELY NOT include the emotion engine.
Yeah, 100 bucks cheaper is always better but the console wars are over, jack. The Wii in going to win, the 360 will be a respectable second, and the PS3 is done.
Yeah, 100 bucks cheaper is always better but the console wars are over, jack. The Wii in going to win, the 360 will be a respectable second, and the PS3 is done.
I dont think so. wii is in a different leauge. all the games are mini games and the graphics are the same as a ps2. It's seling , but its not a gamers machine.
the 360 and the ps3 are both true next gen machine. the 360 is selling well , in america, but not so good anywhere else in the world. its impossible for it to come second place because of this. the asian market is going with the wii for now untill the big games hit on the ps3 and it comes down in price, tahts when ps3 sales will take off.
right now ps3 is an over priced console with no games , but in a 2 years time it will be a reasonably priced console with cutting edge games and a blu ray player . thats when sales will increase.
"it's selling"
Wow! That had to be the understatement of the decade. In fact, nintendo has been selling every unit they can possibly produce since November. I'm not sure when this magical moment will occur that wii sales will tank and ps3 sales will suddenly explode.
In two years, we'll be three quarters of the way to a new cycle of hardware. And this is when the ps3 is suddenly going to take off?
Sure, whatever.
Look, you can call it price or games or whatever you want to call it, but the hard truth is that most people (not full-time gaming dorks like us) just can not tell a huge difference in graphics among the three systems. Before anyone becomes apoplectic with dorky games rage...go try it. The average person can't tell much difference between the ps3 and the wii and almost none between the ps3 and the 360. This, as much as anything as anything is Sony's problem.
Friend just bought one, won't be happy
The price drop should be soon enough that he can go back and get his $100 back from wherever he bought it from. Best Buy will even give you 10% extra back if they have to PM another store (I think the original 'sale' store was Target?!?)
GamerTex.com
Where by "competitive" we apparently mean "slightly less grossly overpriced, but still at least $200 more than a sane human being would pay for any game console, nevermind one with such a slender library of worthwhile games."
(Of course, the above could just as easily apply to the 360...)
Are you saying 360 has a slender library of games?...
David: yes. I don't mean it as an insult. The 360 doesn't have many games for the same reason the PS/3 doesn't: it hasn't been around that long, and A-list games are difficult and time-consuming to make.
If I buy a 360 today, what are the games that I must have, right now? Gears of War, that's a gimme. Dead Rising, ditto. Ghost Recon, okay, but we're already getting heavy on the FPSes. Rockstart Table Tennis? Maybe. Guitar Hero? Only if I don't already have the PS2 version. Forza Motorspot? Limited appeal there, but okay. The Darkness? Virtua Tennis 3? Boy, we're off in the weeds right quick here...
Gamespot has a grand total of 6 games with a 9.0 rating or higher for the 360. Four of them are FPSen. The games just aren't there yet. The situation with the PS3 is even worse. Meanwhile, the PS2, which can be had brand new for about $100, has over 60 games with a 9.0 or higher, many of which can be had for under $15 now.
The 360 and the PS3 will get there, no doubt. Halo 3, GTA4, MGS4... they're all coming, as are price cuts for the hardware. But why should I -- or you, or anyone else -- reach into my pocket to subsidize Sony and Microsoft's R&D expenses right now?
Crackdown, Forza 2, Rainbox 6, GH2 (i have the PS2 version and still got it for the 360), FEAR, DIRT, Viva Pinata, Geometry Wars (seriously).
360 has plenty of good games. Not hatin' the PS3; I'm thinking of getting one. But the 360 has plenty of great games.
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if its goin to be like the Korean 80GB one does that mean it will be IPTV capable???
All PS3's are IPTV capable. The Korean model uses the same internal hardware as the PAL PS3 (aside from the 80GB disc), and that is identical to the NTSC PS3 (aside from the EE chip removal).
So yes, it's IPTV compatable, as all PS3s are.
The story that existing ones are not, is a lame story invented by the Xbots, as a response the the Elite with HDMI.
My guess is that it will be IPTV enabled much like the Korean 80GB PS3
link to Wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3
No offense to people who like the PS3. But this isn't really going to change anything. If they were smart they would:
Make 20GB version 299$ with no wireless and no SD/Compact Flash/Memory Stick slots and just swallow the loses.
Make an 80GB version for 499$ with two games.
Sure it would cost them alot of money. But unless they get PS3 sales up FAST. They already lost the war. Also, enough of the "Oh well PS3 is doing as good as the PS2 during the same time period" bullcrap. The PS2 didn't have major competition. If the PS3 doesn't get its act together within the month they already lost.
Having a price tag more then 100$ more then the 360 will just make any good games the PS3 has irrelevant.
Tim @ Jul 8th 2007 8:11PM
I don't get why everyone is complaining. I highly doubt that this change in the PS2 has much of any effect, if any, on the PS3 developement. If anything, this probably frees up more money for PS3 development because of cheaper manufacturing, cheaper shipping, and a resparked interest in the system as soon as they are able to drop the price, bringing more revenue into the company. Beyond that, Sony will probably be able to sell some of their unused components or use them in something else. Also, the smaller power supply could probably be partially a result of research they are doing with the PS3 power supply and could mean that the power supply on the PS3 is close to having a size reduction. Besides, I don't think that Sony's research in making the PS2 smaller has any effect on what games are made by different companies for the PS3.
Anyway, the CC ad getting leaked for the cheaper PS3 and this coming out before E3? Sony must have something really big to announce if these things are coming out before E3 (wishful thinking even though I doubt anything much bigger will be announced except maybe a PS3 with a larger hard drive)
I swear that I was going to add something about the possibility of a bundle in this post as well. I should become one of those "analysts"
BTW, I had intended on the relevant part being in bold but it didn't happen. :-/
I honestly see several more games that I would at least consider buying for the PS3 at the local Wal-Mart than I see for my Wii. Why aren't people complaining about the games for the Wii. Sure, the system is only $250, but it still needs games. Zelda and Super Paper Mario are the only two games I have that I want to play (Sonic was a biiiig mistake), and Resident Evil is the only game I don't have that I even want. 5 Blu-Ray movies (I personally was able to find at least one movie in each of the categories that I would at least watch), a system to replace my aging PS2, and the games that are already out for the PS3 for $500 are more appealing to me than the games out for the Wii at $250. If anything, I think Nintendo is the company not delivering on things that they promised. Where are all the Wii channels that they told us we would be able to download? Why is it taking them so long to put out Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Bros.?
If SONY wants to make the PS3 a full blown PC until it gets more games under its belt, the hard drive upgrades make sense, but, it is such a half measure.
I feel sorry for everyone out there with a $600 PS3 sitting around waiting for games to come along.
Wow sony is a bunch of idiots. At least should have matched the competition with a 120GB HDD for that price.
If sony is a bunch of idiots yet they are quite a success as a company, what does that make you?
Then Microsoft are morons ...at least they should integrate a HD DVD player if they are gonna charge people $479 for a console.
Shouldn't you be praying that your xbox360 won't get a RRoD tonight? While you are at it, pray that you won't get a RRoD the night before the Halo 3 launch.
If the Wii drops $20 (which it won't BTW cause we all know Nintendo is like that), then this price drop will become irrelevant.
I don't really think that the $250 price point on a Wii is much of a deterrent to anyone. It's more of a matter of whether or not the people want the system. There aren't that many people who say that they would want the system but that $250 is just too much like the $600 it would have cost to get the PS3. Granted, $500 is still a lot of money, but it is a bit more reasonable. That, and I think that part of the sales were being hurt by the rumors more than the price.
I love how everyone is spinning this $100 price REDCUCTION out to be a bad thing or a stupid move. Some of you amuse me :)
You are aware the reducing the price is irrelevant if you just add a higher priced model. Consumers will just assume that the 600$ version is better then the 500$ version will just die out and leaving the situation exactly how it was from the beginning.
Ah yes, I see. I forgot everyone is clueless and just buys things on assumptions. Whatev.
It's still ugly. Aerodynamic and Spiderman 3 font... ick.
Don't forget that Sony lets you add your own drives if you want (unlike MS). So really, there needs to be something more, unless they're expecting to dump the 60GB model soon.
I'd buy a PS3 in a second if it had better games. Don't they understand that bringing out some great games > lowering the price point?
Yes and no. A great game at $60 with a $599 console is still $659 + tax. And that's just one game.
Sony has to bring the price down if they hope to catch up with Nintendo, let alone Microsoft.
Don't get me wrong: I want a PS3. I play Final Fantasy and Grant Theft Auto and I have a library of PS1 and PS2 games. I would also like an HD movie player (though I'm still not sold that Blu-Ray has won). So, yes, I want a PS3.
But I'm not willing to deal with Sony in their attempt to tell us we will take what they give us and we will like it. It's not the PlayStation users who made the bad hardware and marketing decisions.
So, for me: $399 at most (on the 60GB console, not the new 80), a free game (and a good one), and some free Blu-Ray movies is the sweet spot. I might be waiting another 12-18 months, but I suspect something like that will continue to happen if Nintendo continues to hand Sony their ass month after month.
With the PS3 sales behind the Wii and PS2 - are people realizing that playability is better than graphics horsepower?
When 2 different versions of the 360 were announced, the PS3 fans yelled that nobody would want to choose between two different versions - till 2 different versions were released.
When the 360 did not have wireless, the PS3 fans yelled that wireless was necessary until the 20GB version was announced to not have it either. Once that was pulled, they went back to criticizing the 360.
When the XBOX 1 was released with a HDD, the PS2 fans yelled that it unnecessarily increased the price. When the 360 core was announced, the PS fans yelled that it did not have a HDD.
When the 20GB PS3 was cut, the PS3 fans were happy because people were not smart enough to choose, but when a new edition is announced they are glad for the additional SKU.
When the PS3 was announced in 3 different colors, the PS3 fans were happy that they had different colors to choose from while the 360 only had one. When the PS3 was announced in only one color, they were happy because the white and gray would not fit in with a home video system. When the Elite was announced, they were up in arms that MS (excuse me, M$) were "copying" the PS3 by using the color black.
When the 120GB drive was announced, the PS3 fans were yelling about the price and that it was too small, but $40 for 20GB more ($100-cost of a game) and the PS fans are glad to pay for that 20GB.
And on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on...
The sony fans criticize MS for everything they do, but when Sony does the same exact thing or not even at all (like the console color), they are praised for it.
Marklar, your marklar are wise and true.
Let me also remind you of the way MS was harangued for introducing a 3rd SKU... "first time a console maker has ever revised the hardware of a console so significantly so soon after it's release" by folks who thought introducing HDMI was a significant revision, but downplayed several notable ps2 revisions (usually removing functionality, not always adding) and completely ignored the ps3's reverting to software ps1/2 emulation a mere 6 months into its lifecycle.
I'm not a fan of the multiple console variations. If you're going to make the HD optional, at least make the console like the wii where it has some sort of build in memory to store data... or don't demand the customer spend $40 on a memory card to store gamertag info.
"When 2 different versions of the 360 were announced, the PS3 fans yelled that nobody would want to choose between two different versions - till 2 different versions were released."
No, most of the PS3 fans yelled that the 360 versions had too many differences that wouldn't allow the devs to take advantage of it (HDMI, HDD)
"When the 360 did not have wireless, the PS3 fans yelled that wireless was necessary until the 20GB version was announced to not have it either. Once that was pulled, they went back to criticizing the 360."
If im not wrong the criticizing came from the 360 side saying that wireless was awful and that any true gamer needed a wired connection? PS fans just added that it was a nice bonus.
"When the XBOX 1 was released with a HDD, the PS2 fans yelled that it unnecessarily increased the price. When the 360 core was announced, the PS fans yelled that it did not have a HDD."
When the Xbox came out, they would praise the HDD, but when the 360 came out without it, all they would say was that the HDD was never needed, that NO TRUE gamer needed it
"When the 20GB PS3 was cut, the PS3 fans were happy because people were not smart enough to choose, but when a new edition is announced they are glad for the additional SKU."
Elite?
"When the PS3 was announced in 3 different colors, the PS3 fans were happy that they had different colors to choose from while the 360 only had one. When the PS3 was announced in only one color, they were happy because the white and gray would not fit in with a home video system. When the Elite was announced, they were up in arms that MS (excuse me, M$) were "copying" the PS3 by using the color black."
Didn't the same happen when you guys had your xbox's in only black? Didn't you say that you didn't need any other color than black?
"When the 120GB drive was announced, the PS3 fans were yelling about the price and that it was too small, but $40 for 20GB more ($100-cost of a game) and the PS fans are glad to pay for that 20GB."
mmm, find me a comment in which someone says that they are glad to pay more for the 20GB? and heck, its still unkown about what will come in that package. Also, altho I haven't read/heard anyone to be glad to pay for 20GB more for a PS3, I did read many comments of people being glad to pay for the Elite, Ironic huh?
"And on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on...
The sony fans criticize MS for everything they do, but when Sony does the same exact thing or not even at all (like the console color), they are praised for it."
Sorry to burst your bubble, but if someone has done something wrong, then MS has done it 3 times worse, altho, unlike Sony, they are pretty good at hiding facts (RROD Numbers, Disc Scratching Issues, etc)
Noshino,
>> No, most of the PS3 fans yelled that the 360 versions had too many differences that wouldn't allow the devs to take advantage of it (HDMI, HDD)
What difference to a dev does HDMI make? There is no difference in HDMI vs. component, except how you connect it to a TV. Yes, the HDD is a difference in development, even though you say later that "NO TRUE gamer needed it". If a gamer does not need it, then why is it an issue? 360 had an upgradable path from the Core to Premium, but they were still geting criticized, now the PS3 has an upgrade path (buy a bigger HDD, and a game) but that is OK? In fact, WTF are, as you stated, PS3 fans yelling about it? Over and over again we hear PS3 fans, when criticized, whining that if you do not own one, then don't complain about it. Why are ***PS*** fans yelling about it?
>>If im not wrong the criticizing came from the 360 side saying that wireless was awful and that any true gamer needed a wired connection? PS fans just added that it was a nice bonus.
Yes, it is awful, and wired is better - holds true for my PS3 also not 360, I tried downloading lemmings (230MB for Lemmings, wtf?) and it took about 1/2 Sunday night, 2AM, in LA. As for PS fans saying it is "a nice bonus", BS. Every single post from a PS fan makes this a huge issue, not "it is a nice little bonus", it is look we are vastly superior to 360s because we have wireless.
>>When the Xbox came out, they would praise the HDD, but when the 360 came out without it, all they would say was that the HDD was never needed, that NO TRUE gamer needed it
So I guess that no 360 Premium/Elite or PS3 fan is a true gamer then.
"When the 20GB PS3 was cut, the PS3 fans were happy because people were not smart enough to choose, but when a new edition is announced they are glad for the additional SKU."
>>Elite?
My point exactly. Microsoft gives more options, the Elite, and mostly you heard from a lot of people who could not answer basic questions about a 360 (meaning they did not have one) having a fit that "M$" owed them money, a new console, or other repreations for being an early adoptor. Now there is talk about how get it would be that Sony can change their hardware every few months adding more HDD space, new features, etc.
>>Didn't the same happen when you guys had your xbox's in only black? Didn't you say that you didn't need any other color than black?
Because the PS2 was released in a wide rainbow of colors? Looking on amazon, the only different color of PS2 is silver, and that was released a month (Oct 21, 2006) before the 360 was. So no, they were not yelling that the X1 needed only one color in comparison to other consoles because there was no other console with various colors available.
>>mmm, find me a comment in which someone says that they are glad to pay more for the 20GB? and heck, its still unkown about what will come in that package. Also, altho I haven't read/heard anyone to be glad to pay for 20GB more for a PS3, I did read many comments of people being glad to pay for the Elite, Ironic huh?
For the $80 extra for the Elite you get a lot more than the $100 more for the 80GB version of the PS3. And yes, there are a lot of people saying that this is a great deal, try reading some of the other sites.
>>Sorry to burst your bubble, but if someone has done something wrong, then MS has done it 3 times worse, altho, unlike Sony, they are pretty good at hiding facts (RROD Numbers, Disc Scratching Issues, etc)
I am on my 2nd PS3. First one we were watching the movie Closer when at about 15 minutes into it the fan started up louder than my 360 has ever bin. Second time I watched the movie the same thing happened but then it turned it's self off and would not turn back on. Returned it to costco and got a new one. Watched the same movie over the weekend and it is starting to do the same. So I went to costco and bought the BDP-301. I will keep the PS3 (for that 260MB lemmings) but I don't trust it. I have 2 360s, one is played everyday for games, the other 2-3 times a week for HD movies, and not one single problem. I guess that I am going to start a rumor that 50% of all PS3s are defective with heat problems (it was sitting on top of a entertainment rack, nothing blocking on any side, about a foot from the wall). Why is Sony not addressing this issue? I have had 50% of my PS3s fail and sony is not extending the warranty, making a public appology, or doing anything to fix this problem reaching epidemic proportions. I am not going to buy anything Sony makes again.
If they lowered the price to coincide with the release of a "must own" game or something I could understand, but they didn't. I can only guess its related to the Bluray side of the console. I wouldn't doubt the Bluray consortium is pressuring them and deals are being made to help them cover losses they will take from this price cut. You KNOW they will be taking losses at this price. The studios all know the more PS3's sold, the more Bluray movies sold. Not too mention this timing coincides with Blockbuster's switching to Bluray rentals only. It looks like an attack plan to me.
I still don't know a single person that owns a PS3, but after this was announced 2 or 3 guys I work with all said they plan to get one now simply for the BR player capabilities. This announcement will be a MUCH bigger problem for HD-DVD than the Blockbuster one, if this thing actually starts to sell at this price.
Oh..by the way, I'm not saying the price drop announcement is a bad thing. Lower prices are ALWAYS good. I'm also not taking a side on the format war, but I truly believe it is the motivation behind this price drop. Sony and the studios know a PS3 owner is an invested Bluray buyer.
If they lowered it $50 more and had at least 2 great games, I think I would get one tomorrow. And with that...my allegiance in the format war would be set.
Isn't this just a memory expansion? $500 is dropped, existing $600 takes its place, and then the new version takes the place of the old $600 one.
It's not really a price cut.
thats what Im saying... It isnt a price cut on the system... Just a storage tweek.. lol..
What a joke Sony..
Regardless of any and all details, $499 is the lowest a PS3 has ever cost in any configuration. It would be looked at as a price cut even if Sony announced it was because it now comes in a cardboard case, has lower end hardware, and no controllers. To a average joe, it still says PS3 on it and rings up at $499 at the register.
What about the 20 gb version (now being killed) that used to cost $500?
People think of the cost of the best model. Iphone? $600. PS3? $600. They both have $500 versions, but no one really thinks about them.
Here's the official SCEA announcement and first boxshot of the 80 GB PS3: http://www.gamingbits.com/content/view/2292/2/
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Some of you guys are just plain....sigh.
You guys are not consumers; consumers do not moan and complain when the price of something drops. The only people who complain when the price of something drops are speculators and people who oppose said "something". Speculators are fickle in who/what they wish to give their golden seal of "meh, its O.K.". The people who oppose said "something" are either in direct competition with the product, have size issues, or have some other connection to the former and/or latter.
If the price of something like the ps3 drops, then CELEBRATE. Freaking hell.
This is beyond being a fanboy, it is about being human. God...
I'm just suprised how quick June 4th, 2008 came here.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/23/no-ps2-like-price-cuts-for-the-ps3-sez-sony/
I am happy it's cheaper. But it all comes back to why the hell would you want one right now when there isn't any games that I want to play on it. The 360 has a better line up in my eyes.
Actually, not really. Many 360 games are now on PS3...
Anyone else think that the 80GB version won't sell?
It will sell as well as the 60GB did at that price point...oh nevermind
Hooray, a good day for Canada. This means that I can go across the border to the states and pick up a PS3 (US$499)
for the same price as a 360 (C$499) over here! Strong Canadian dollar FTW!