Live from Apple's "Mum is no longer the word" event in London
9:17AM BST - We're, ahem, queuing alongside a few dozen other journos outside the Apple Store Regent, iPod touch ads in the window and all. And guess who just turned up...

The iPhone guy! You know, the iPhone project manager dude who gave all the online tutorials. What's his name again? Bob!

9:23 - Strange packages keep entering the store. We wonder what's inside. Click on for continued live coverage!

















Steve: "The 3G chipsets are real power hogs. Handset battery life cuts power to 2-3 hours." Yeah yeah, we've heard it before. "Our phone has a talk time of 8 hours and that's really important when you want to use your phone for internet and music. 3G needs to get back up to 5+ hours, something we think well see later next year. ... WiFi is way faster than any 3G network. Energy efficient EDGE with better, faster WiFi. That's why we chose it."
10:19 - Q: 7,000 hotspots in the UK... but are they free?
Matthew: "Cloud is the WiFi provider, and yes, it's free." Steve goes on to again tout the advantages of WiFi. Matthew nodding head vigorously, "It's a lot faster."
10:21 - Q: Is the same deal with Starbucks coming here? [Here being the UK, obviously.]
Steve: "You'll have to ask Starbucks about that. They love the UK." Smiles.
Q: What about iTunes activation?
Steve: "Yes, iTunes will work in the UK like it does in the US, allowing you to select your plan and then activate your phone. Of course, it also allows you to update your phone."

Steve: "That's the iTunes WiFi Music Store, coming this month to the UK."

Matthew: "18 months contract. There is a limit: 1,400 internet pages per day would break the deal as part of fair usage agreement." Wait, what?
Q: What's the revenue sharing from data and device sales between Apple and O2?
Steve: "Unfortunately, we're not going to go into that, but good question!" Laughter. "...Sometimes you get what you pay for."
10:26 - Q: Is unlocking a concern?
Steve: "It's a constant cat and mouse game -- we have the same thing with the iPod with music." Steve looks at Matthew, "Are we the cat or mouse?" 'We have to stay one step ahead of them. It's our job to keep them from breaking in."
Q: To Matthew, what do you have to do to get your network ready for the iPhone?
"We're investing in EDGE. As many people have noticed, hey I have EDGE! By launch we'll be north of 30% and build from there." Only 30% folks. It's important to remember that many parts of Europe doesn't use EDGE, they've often moved on to UMTS (i.e. 3G)!
10:30 - Q: Were you aware that the iPod touch was coming out when you were negotiating the iPhone deal?
Matthew: "One of the great things about working with Apple is they are always moving forward." Yes, and one of the great things about O2 is how it dodges questions.
Steve: "Well, one's a phone, and one's not. The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone." Ha! Oh boy, that's rich.
Q: How many [iPhones] do you hope to ship before Christmas?
Matthew: "80% of high end customers from other networks would be willing to switch carriers based on their data." But he won't discuss specific sales numbers.
10:32 - Q: What are your plans for iPhone launch in Europe, and your reaction to upsetting other carriers who feel played-off in terms of not getting this deal?
Steve: "We said we'd be in a few countries in Europe and we still plan to do that. As to the carriers, we took the approach to see who would be the best fit -- it's like going out on a few dates before getting married. So yeah, we have a few upset girlfriends out there." Laughter.
10:35 - Q: Can you be more specific about other European countries? [You know you're talking to Steve "Stonewall" Jobs, right?]
Steve: "We're here to talk about O2 UK, and that's all we're willing to talk about today."
Q: Why not one single European carrier if O2 is such a good fit?
Steve: "We were faced with lots of decisions to make and we think we've made the right decisions. We certainly have with O2."
10:37 - Q: Have you thought about opening the iPhone to 3rd parties?
Steve: "Yes, we've already done that with Web 2.0. We're looking at more intimate apps. But people hold their phones to a higher standard than their PC. The more open you are, the less predictable." Again, same ol' same ol'.
10:37 - Q: £900 for 18 months on up to £1260. Any assurance you won't slash the price by 1/3rd? (Laughter.)
Steve: "I don't think that's going to happen. But this is technology so you never know. We have no plans to change the pricing, but we guarantee it will change in the future just like all technology products. We're working on the next iPhone and the next one after that. That's what our customers expect."
Q: Do you feel a 2 megapixel would be a concern to European customers?
Steve: "No, the camera is great. More megapixels don't make a better camera, the iPhone is actually a great camera especially, with great lighting." Ok, sure, but isn't every camera a great camera if the subject is well lit?

Matthew: "On 1st October we'll be rolling those out for all out customers."
Steve: "It's the future."
And that's that! Steve and Mathew are all finished up here. Stay tuned for additional coverage of the O2 iPhone!
















Reader Comments (Page 1 of 6)
Alan Partridge @ Sep 17th 2007 11:21AM
I predict O2 will get the deal in the UK and it will come out in the second half of October!
Alan Partridge @ Sep 17th 2007 11:31AM
Also the price will be from £275 - £299 with plans starting from £30/month!
mark @ Sep 17th 2007 12:21PM
With £300 phones normally being given away for free on £35 per month contracts, it'll be interesting to see how well apple will do charing extra for their handset when you'll be able to get the new LG's and Samsungs for free.
Xavier Gill @ Sep 18th 2007 4:07AM
The London store looks classy http://flickr.com/photos/shashvat/1217230772/
Better than that box in New York
LordFarkward @ Sep 18th 2007 4:40AM
i agree, mark. with N95 (and pretty much every other phone) free with a 35 quid/month plan (even the Luna is only 100 quid extra with a 35 quid/month plan), i wonder how apple can justify (IF that's what they're doing) charging people anything more than 50-100 for similar plans...
ian @ Sep 18th 2007 4:45AM
Hey, the O2's online store is down for 'improvements'
hmmm
Alan Partridge @ Sep 18th 2007 4:46AM
Not only are high-end phones free on expensive contracts but now it's not uncommon to get a free DS/PSP/Wii/iPod in the UK because competition is so high. If you pay £75/month you can even get a free PS3!
joefinan @ Sep 18th 2007 5:02AM
£299 + 2 years at £30pm = £1,019. No thanks. I'd rather get a new iPod Touch, iMac, Sony PDA etc.
Reid Dudley-smith @ Sep 18th 2007 4:59AM
Ohh! The UK Apple Store is... Not down?
LordFarkward @ Sep 18th 2007 5:09AM
ewww, they're still selling the 8gb 2.5g version?
i'm disappointed
Alpha899 @ Sep 18th 2007 5:50AM
The fact is the iPhone came out outdated, it just has a very impressive UI, which is what makes the iPod great. However the cell phone manufacturers are the biggest sharks of all and will soon, probably by xmas, have phones out that are exactly like the iphone, with a very slick UI but with 3G.
Apple is going to learn the hard way that to be competitive in the cell phone market they need to come out with products fast and that the average cell phone user has the attention span of a gold fish, when the new Nokias come out, guess what, many cell phone users will trade in their iPhones for the Nokias and just use their iPods for music.
Or just get the China clones is you live int he UK already: http://www.mp4nation.com/products/index.php?PID=cellphones
Johnny Appleseed @ Sep 18th 2007 6:26AM
Alpha, there might be copycat phones that look superficially like the iPhone, but it will take a bit longer than a few months to rival the user experience of OS X with Multi-Touch - if anyone ever comes close at all.
Alpha899 @ Sep 18th 2007 9:38AM
You sure Appleseed:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/29/nokias-iphone-no-seriously/
illingist trooper @ Sep 18th 2007 9:54AM
Alpha899 - you think Apple won't come out with a new model? C'mon, they make cellphones now... Just like every other company they will make new models, and likely cheaper.
master811 @ Sep 18th 2007 5:25PM
"For you US Americans, that's about $535." Err remember to remove the
VAT BEFORE you convert to USD, so its actually about $500, not a huge
difference but still.
Niek @ Sep 17th 2007 11:39AM
Vodafone has the deal in Europe.
lebigmac @ Sep 17th 2007 12:00PM
Please let it be vodafone !
The lonly swede @ Sep 17th 2007 12:03PM
What do you think about the deals in the smaller countries (Sweden for example). We don't have the multi-national giants like Vodafone here anymore. If they announce a 3G version tomorrow, one could always hope for a deal with 3...
Alan Partridge @ Sep 17th 2007 12:23PM
There won't be just one carrier for the whole of Europe and Vodafone definitely wont have it in the UK. They've already announced their Christmas lineup and it includes 'iphone killers' in the 8GB Nokia N95 and Samsung F700
http://www.vodafone.com/start/media_relations/images/christmas_2007_range.html
nih @ Sep 18th 2007 5:19AM
It's a coordinated hit on all the gadget bloggers in Europe.
qwertying @ Sep 17th 2007 12:01PM
I went into an O2 shop today just for a browse and 99% sure that they were getting the iPhone, then I look over at the managers desk and see a file-a-fax with the picture of the iPhone on it before I had a chance to take a picture one of the shop assistants started talking to me, we had a long chat and then he said...
"as well as all the speculation and evidence we both know of, there is also a meeting for all O2 shops in the UK an hour before the Apple one, I wonder what its about! Seriously O2 are stupid at hiding a secret, nothing compared to AT&T!"
mikey @ Sep 17th 2007 12:11PM
fingers still crossed for a powerbook G5....
Ryan DuBridge @ Sep 17th 2007 11:35PM
Good Luck with that....
pinchies @ Sep 18th 2007 3:28AM
My dad says the same thing. Sigh.
LiQuiD_FuSioN @ Sep 18th 2007 4:55AM
iPod 6.1G?
oops
Banned @ Sep 17th 2007 12:23PM
o2 have to be the shittest company in the uk to get the dealm they have a shit coverage and have shit customer service, they will struggle big time to activate all the iPhones that will be bought as anytime you phone them now they always say their systems are down, so cant imagine how they will cope if they suddenly have a few xtra 10, 100 thousand customers.
For this reason alone was why i left the shower of shite that is o2 and am now with vodafone and will be getting an iPhone and unlocking it to vodafone as soon as possible.
Im also glad that o2 are getting shaffted big style with 40% revenue charges with any hope the company will go bust in a matter of months and people will unlock their iPhones to other networks.
Sorry for the rant had to get that off my chest!
Here's hoping for an iPhone in 16gb format, not fussed a
chuck @ Sep 18th 2007 4:11AM
well, apple picked at&t last time around, so it would only go along...
Vanillacide @ Sep 18th 2007 4:36AM
O2 = MNO with largest number of subscribers in UK.
Vodafone = most profitable MNO in UK (due to huge number of business customers)
Orange, T-Mobile, 3 behind them and MVNO's like Virgin even further behind. Could only really be O2 or Vodafone in the end, and it's O2 on the day.
Banned @ Sep 17th 2007 12:24PM
also here's hoping for an iPhone with 16gb! not really fussed as to weather it has 3g or not as i plan to use the wifi more
James @ Sep 17th 2007 12:51PM
I predict:
Iphone, £299, If we're lucky it'll be £29 a month with unlimited data, if we're unlucky the prices will start at £35 a month.
£299 is a crazy amount but the rumoured euro price is $399 (sorry don't have a euro key!)so i guess it would fit, and the ipod touch is £275 over here for 16gb.
We shall see eh?
Jim P @ Sep 18th 2007 4:42AM
For the Euro key, try Alr GR (right alt key and 4 :P)
Jim P @ Sep 18th 2007 4:45AM
Or if you're really a geek, Hold left alt - 0128 , release alt :P
Benny @ Sep 17th 2007 12:55PM
any chance they will make it available in the UK from tomorrow????
Atman @ Sep 18th 2007 4:46AM
yep, quite a big chance.
Nick Bee @ Sep 17th 2007 1:14PM
Because PAYG is for Kids and people with poor credit ratings?
Matt LeMonds @ Sep 17th 2007 1:52PM
say that there is a 16GB 3G iphone... who will wait for it to be unlocked and get one shipped to the USA to use on T-mo or at&t?
Steve Butler @ Sep 17th 2007 2:31PM
lol well I am sort of a kid, 15, but I'm a geek kid who deserves a PAYG iPhone!
Shan @ Sep 17th 2007 3:46PM
Given that the iPhone is $400 which works out to be £200 - having left the US a few days ago - I'm kinda 50/50 on whether I should have bought one. If we end up getting a 16GB iPhone here in the UK - then I dont mind them charging us £300 (if thats what they charge us for it) as the extra £100 will be worth it for the extra 8GB. If they decided to shaft us as they always do when it comes to UK electronics and give us the regular 8GB version for £300 - then as a safety net - I have a friend coming from the US in October who can bring me a US iPhone for £200/$400.
Andrew Davidson @ Sep 17th 2007 4:16PM
I would point out that PAYG is for people who need a phone but don't want to fork out ridiculous amounts to use it occasionally. I would like to see it as well.
Nick Bee @ Sep 17th 2007 6:21PM
My hope is that 3 will get a piece of the iPhone pie, but that's very doubtful - especially with all the o2 rumours floating around the interwebs.
rvdw @ Sep 17th 2007 6:57PM
wtf - when is the iphone coming to Canada!
Derek @ Sep 17th 2007 11:41PM
Likely never, at least not legitimately.
From what I heard from someone who works at Rogers, Ted Rogers basically told Steve Jobs to go fuck himself when Apple asked Rogers for a similar scheme that AT&T signed onto. Apple wants, IIRC, 10% of the monthly service revenues and for the carrier to offer an unlimited data plan for a reasonable price (à la $60 AT&T plan) which Rogers doesn't actually have - CAD$210/month for 500MB is the top plan available.
howard.scott @ Sep 18th 2007 9:41AM
WTF? Ted Rogers is in charge of phones in Canada? Is Dusty Bin in charge of the t'interweb?
Brent @ Apr 7th 2008 11:38PM
There seems to be big opportunity for new GSM providers in Canada. Maybe O2 will expand to the colonies...
rballard @ Sep 17th 2007 7:29PM
I predict Vodafone (3G) takes it global, because my friends there dare not even speak to me about this stuff. Did anyone hear rumors about an ODM making the case-back itouch-able?
Richard Henry @ Sep 17th 2007 8:00PM
This will be useful: http://www.pagereboot.com/?url=http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/18/live-from-apples-mum-is-no-longer-the-word-event-in-london/
The Grand Master @ Sep 17th 2007 9:49PM
I really hope they don't totally shaft the UK making the 8GB cost £300 ($600) or something like that. I'd go for a 16GB for that price or close to it though.
16GB really is the minimum for me, so fingers crossed that happens before next june!
Alan Partridge @ Sep 18th 2007 3:57AM
In the US the 8GB iPhone is the same price as the 16GB Touch, I think it's reasonable to assume that they'll follow a similar pattern here which would make the 8GB iPhone at least £269. If there is a 16GB iPhone I think it will be at least £350
Jacko @ Sep 18th 2007 1:50AM
what about orange?
Matthew Stiller @ Sep 18th 2007 2:22AM
hope - £20 a month, 3g unlimited data, 16GB, Vodafone, next week
reality - £30, EDGE with cap, 8GB, O2, November