We puzzled over Microsoft's cryptic statements at CeBIT that the Eee's "
other requirements" would lead to an adjustment of the Windows 7 timeline, and it looks like our first guess was spot-on: Microsoft will be making Windows XP available for Eee-class ultraportables until 2010, and possibly later. Demand for XP on devices like the Eee and Intel's Classmate machines has prompted MS to reconsider
axing XP entirely this June: the company will now sell XP Home through at least June 2010, and for one year after the
release of Windows 7 -- which means sales of XP could stretch into 2012. There's no word on if the build of XP Home targeted at the ultraportable laptop set will be different from regular XP builds, but we doubt there'll be many changes -- it'll be awfully sad if people are still clamoring for XP more than a decade after its initial release, though.
[Thanks, JP]
posted Apr 3rd 2008 4:52PM
It's 2008, and I still have a PC with windows.
It's not crashing and still working. So why update it to XP?
"As long as it isn't broke, don't fix it."
Doh
*Windows 98
you should update for compatibility purposes.
Why would it be sad for an operating system to be useful enough to be relevant for a decade? I'm on a top of the line Mac Pro now and still find XP to be indispensable.
While it is a testament to a great OS in Windows XP, it is also saddening that we have not only failed to move forward in this area of computing, but that it seems we have moved backwards.
Here's my prediction: Windows XP will continue to be loved while Vista is treated like a bastard stepchild. Windows 7 will solve all the Vista horrors and Vista will go down in history as the most hated OS since Me.
For the time being, the SP1 Patch works for me... For now.
Vista doesn't come close to deserving its bad rap. I quite like it, aside from a number of bugs and the resource drain. But it's Microsoft, so it's just too much fun to bash.
reply = FAIL
anyway, besides being a resource hog, that's why in large part vista = FAIL and people are still using XP, because of compatibility issues. not trying to hate on vista, because i think in a couple of years when things start catching up to it, it's going to be a good os.
"reply = FAIL"
What are you talking about?
ag, are you going to be replying to "i can't reply" posts all day? I'd just like to know.
Seriously.
If anything, an OS being in demand for so long is a testament to its greatness. At least in-part if not holistically. But of course, we have to have trolls who refuse to entertain that thought.
broken reply system = gizmodo.
@penguinn: literal use of bastard FTW
"broken reply system = gizmodo."
But... I just did!?
Why would anyone want to put Windows on such an awesome machine..
Because they can't figure out linux... They used Windows for a good time and they just got used to it. I mean, take a hardcore Linux user and give him Vista. Ohh! The horror!
Take a hardcore Linux user and give him a hot girl. Oh the horror!
XP FTW.
Well, Asus did say that they expect XP to outsell Linux by 6 to 4.
By 2010 I'd hope these cheap portables would at least run Vista in some usable fashion. Its amazing how we're all getting pumped for Windows 7 and Vista has barely even had its chance to really live yet.
Thank you Captain Obvious for that prediction.
Looooooooooooong live XP! This is great news for all us Eee-lovers. Vista is far to hardware demanding for cheap computers today.
Engadget.....fix your damn comments! I click on Reply and end up starting a new comment.
Works for me. :-/
all you windows haters are oh so cool.
engadget - for this, you die in your sleep. no one makes me look like a fool except for my overstuffed diaper and sony clie that i try to pair with my jabra bluetooth headset.
wait, what? i still can't reply. i was trying to reply to that aguiluz guy. methinks he's a commie. or maaaaybe, he's Steve JOBS! FOR STEVE CAN DO NO WRONG!
Me? A Commie!? No! :D
apparently engadget has appointed Aguiluz president of the Comments System. my reply still =/= funkshun
And... I noticed I'm the only one who can reply. :(
No, others of us can, we just don't have anything cool to say :/
Yay! Someone can reply too! I'm not alone!
http://digg.com/microsoft/Microsoft_to_sell_XP_intill_on_2010_on_the_EEEPC
Digg it !
Buried.
I'll show you what you can dig.
digg this, Grant.
it'll be awfully sad if people are still clamoring for XP more than a decade after its initial release, though.
I won't care, I've moved to Mac OSX 10.5 and beyond
Makes you wonder if HP is going to go forward with Vista on their upcoming 2133 mini-note UMPC given its "leaked" specs.
Would you stop the relentless Vista bashing already? Fcuking Apple Bottom feeders !!
My Vista laptop works flawlessly and I wouldn't revert back to an XP rig for my life. What's the point of having RAM in the system if the OS could not use it? Vista uses the RAM to speed up application access - something RAM is supposed to do !! How dare it? It is obvious that this site is servicing Jobs' knob ! Sellout whores.
No, I've seen Vista in action and the RAM usage is abnormally high. Application access increase? Thats called "not freeing up unused memory" a job that the NT kernel has been getting worse at with each iteration. With microsoft continuing this trend of bulking their OS every release, I don't think we'll ever see a $400 PC that runs decently hit the light of day.
Theres a damned good reason why its hated. There are better alternatives, but the PC manufacturers don't install it on their machines by default. You can thank microsoft for keeping us running 32 bit OSes when we've have 64 bit CPUs for over a decade, too.
@phan
it's that sp1 patch. i knew i shouldn't have upgraded from vista to xp.
Sometimes there's no reason to upgrade. You can still write a resume in Microsoft Office 2000. You can still clean up photos in Photoshop 6. Old software is still perfectly functional for most people's needs. In fact, a lot of old software works even better now because some of it is blazingly fast on even low-end new hardware!
With XP, we seem to have reached a plateau where the average user's needs are satisfied. And if it satisfies people's needs, and enables more affordable hardware, why not keep it?
no, what's sad is that people WANT to clamor for XP, and have to due to activation. people still want win98 and 2kpro as well, but since there are no activation issues there, they just use it.
I actually think it would be refreshing for an OS to last 10 years or more. That's a testament to the fact that many of us really don't need all the flash that is in Vista. The fact is, XP works great for most of us. Sure, new computer buyers mostly end up with Vista, but only because it was pushed on them. Honestly, I think I could use XP pretty much forever, though I wouldn't mind an update to the visuals (maybe some new colors, new icons--yes I know you can get this through windowblinds, etc), but it would be nice if Microsoft just did a big visual overhaul and left the rest alone. Just my take, and I'm really not hating on Vista or anything else, I just think that after a couple of service packs, XP holds up extremely well.
I consider Vista a stillborn, much like Windows ME.
right on, srw!
crap, i meant that as a reply
"there not wrong nobody can reply!"
Nobody can reply? Oh, I just did.
DISCLAIMER: I DID NOT BREAK THE COMMENT SYSTEM!
***WARNING!***
That link has something NASTY! I seen it!
ARGAGAGAGAGAAA!
*banned on router*
..and that is what WINE is for. When we have 100% binary compatibility, we'll see who's using what.
...Even if it's only to avoid paying money for windows licenses without getting on the wrong side of the law.
Replies are still borked, engadget! Get better code already!
Yup... It is borked. Only a few can reply. (Me and John)
I use Firefox 2.0.0.13
ok who's using what browser right now? i mainly use firefox, but i even tried *gasp* IE and still no replyness.
I though everyone picked up on this the last time the reply system went to crap. Click on the time stamp of the comment you want to reply to, then click reply.
@ Aguiluz, Apr 3rd 2008 5:24PM
"Because they can't figure out linux... They used Windows for a good time and they just got used to it. I mean, take a hardcore Linux user and give him Vista. Ohh! The horror!"
--my reply:
....that may have something to do with the fact that it has six times the system requirements for half the functionality, and they hire out coding to mental wards to cut production costs.
Firefox 3 beta 5 here, phanbuoy.
same, high five.
beta 4 was wonky, but beta 5 could be released today imo ;)
no im pretty sure thats supposed to be 12 to 8..
im pretty sure thats supposed to be 12 to 8..
can u guys fix ur reply system? :S
replying to phaunboy - firefox 2.0.0.13 on vista
Guess you can't beat a dead horse enough!
yay for broken replies...
*reply to self*
if is was using a MacBook Air, I bet I could reply.
...I don't think it has anything to do with the browser.. engadget always has /something/ wrong with their comment system, but I don't think they'd stoop as low as making decisions based on browser detection. ..except of course choices in how they write their articles.
(full disclosure on that would be nice-- whaddya say to a pie graph, engadget?)
same here ethana. wtf e-gadg? egads!
Because he meant to reply to the guy that is still using 98, and the comment system tacked his comment elsewhere. sheesh.
see, people like farris, they are the ones that desperately need the reply system. engadget! think of farris! think of the children!
They should make a post and explain what's happening to everyone (they can't reply) and me (can reply).
@aguilez
normally you would be correct, however, the first edition eeePC's ran a custom version of Xandros that eliminated the learning curve associated with Linux. It was simple and intuitive with pretty little tabs to organize programs into categories.
That's with a capital "A" and substitute "e" with a "u." XD
Remember the gPC that got pulled from WallWart?
They bring these PCs/Lappies home and they say, "It's a computer! Of course this computer is the same as my computer and will run the same things!" And they can't.
*coughs*
WallWart... Darn it, should be Wal-Mart.
Also add the ability to edit your own posts.
yeah that was supposed to be a reply to a comment on page1, the guy i was responding to was trying to explain why the eeePC needs XP on it, rather than Linux.
No reply in Firefox, Opera, Safari or IE for me.
First time I've opened IE since doing my last re-install of XP apparently (4 months).
Curious, who else has 4 or more internet browsers? Just leave a reply... ;)
I have the same set, plus Camino. With browser libs in dev kits, it seems like a new one pops up every week.
this comment was supposed to be a reply to a response by the guy who told mary that he has to ask paul to talk to peter to pick up david at the mall.
Aguiluz has discovered a wormhole
@ aguiliz
and the ability to remain signed in without having to reenter your password everytime
@Aguiluz (happy?)
i understand where the gPC reference comes from and how it is somewhat relevant. I am not arguing against putting XP on an eeePC. However, the version of Xandros running on the eeePC is fundamentally different than the gOS, as is the hardware fundamentally different than on the gPC. the eeePC does not have a cd-rom slot, so there isnt a risk of someone complaining about how they cant install their windows software on linux (so long as its on a cd). and finally the custom Xandros OS is very different than most other versions of linux out there. its all based on tabs by category. it doesnt have a start menu and it doesnt try to be something its not: a computer replacement.
Xandros sounds nice. Got to try it out this weekend on my old craptop.
I really don't see why everyone complains about Vista so much. Yes, you need newer hardware to run it - and that's a good thing. It means prices for hardware will drop and new technology will be developed.
I use Vista on a variety of machines everyday (including my own desktop and laptop) and it's fantastic. Honestly, it's stable, smooth and fast. Not once has it crashed and not once have I needed to reboot because it was slow (and my desktop stays on for weeks at a time).
It's called technology people, it evolves and changes. Deal with it and let go of XP - it's time (with the exception of Eee PCs and similar products, it's understandable why you wouldn't want Vista on there).
Vista loads crap-slow on my laptop with more incompatibility stuff like it won't recognize my USB drives, my SimReader, my camera, etc.. But after I installed SP1, all the headaches flew away like a butterfly.
Right along side Windows ME.
I am in the market to buy a new laptop. I had a Thinkpad for 6 years that ran XP Pro. I would not even consider Vista for my next machine. XP is reliable (on my current R40) and I already have software which run on it. My gf has a Vista machine. The machine is flaky. If Vista provided a real incremental jump in features, I would migrate. Since it has not, they have made a terrible marketing mistake by introducing New Coke, I mean, Vista.
@Joe why should we let go of XP? because Vista works for you? i never could understand this argument.
@phanbouy
maybe if he tried it in spanish?
En realidad, no veo por qué todo el mundo se queja de Vista tanto. Sí, usted necesita más nuevo hardware para ejecutarlo - y eso es una buena cosa. Esto significa que los precios de hardware y las nuevas tecnologías caída será desarrollado.
Vista utilizar en una variedad de máquinas de todos los días (incluido mi propio escritorio y portátiles), y es fantástico. Honestamente, es estable, sin problemas y rápido. Ni una sola vez se ha estropeado y no una vez que necesitaba tener que reiniciar porque es lento (y se queda en mi escritorio durante semanas a la vez).
Se llama tecnología de la gente, que evoluciona y cambia. Ocuparse de ella y dejar de ir XP - es el momento (con la excepción de Eee PCs y productos similares, es comprensible la razón por la que no te gustaría tener en Vista).
@aguiluz
actually, the version the eeePC uses is custom, and Xandros doesnt actually look like that, but since it is Linux, im sure you can download the eeePC version somewhere. since it has to be released under the GPL.
Sometimes Joystiq gives me problems when I log on, or when I read its comments.
Not trying to tell you what do to, just stating an opinion is all. ;)
But for the life of me I just can't figure out why Vista is so hated. From my own experiences, it's fine.
ay carrumba, anonymouse! no me gusta las vistas!
@joe i smell backpedalin'. just sayin...
My bet that XP will last for another 1000 years! That thing got legs!
Paying more money to do the same crap around the office is not a Good Thing.
oy vey, phanbouy, me llamo las olas estan escondidas
Brent: "Curious, who else has 4 or more internet browsers? Just leave a reply... ;)"
sudo apt-get install dillo epiphany-gecko ephiphany-webkit konqueror firefox opera elinks
...meh, as I said, I don't think it has anything to do with the browser..
....although if the konqueror in repos has the latest webkit with it's sweet acid3-pass-ness, I'd consider giving it a spin... (so recent that I doubt it though)
your name is "the waves are hidden"???
Windows XP will live on my system until Microsoft makes an operating system that is better than XP. Likely a long, long time...
after those 2 awful years of Microsoft pretending that spyware didn't exist, I really came to like XP, UXtheme patch anyone?
you weren't supposed to know that, phan. tengo que matarte con leche ahora.
i find it funny when people need validation for the OS they use. i mean, i use XP and OSX on a daily basis, at work and home. and if someone wants to talk about what they don't like about the OS fine. but when people start making _personal_ attacks and armchair psychologist psychoanalyses (granted, this thread here's been pretty tame) based on others using different OSes from them, well ya gotta just shake your head.