It appears that Nokia is readying its
official response to the iPhone, a project grossly codenamed "Tube" that will feature a
touch interface. The new handset -- which is said to closely resemble Apple's device (see above, we assume) -- was shown during a slideshow at the Evans Data Developer Relations Conference in Redwood City, California. The slide demonstrated the phone's UI, including a promotional shot featuring
Shrek The Third. Tom Libretto, vice president of Forum Nokia, believes that the company can compete for the iPhone's marketshare, though the phone-maker hasn't set a
street date for the device. Apple has sold more than 4 million units since the iPhone's launch, but Libretto smugly noted that, "We've done that [volume] since we've had dinner on Friday," (though he failed to mention that it was 4 million low-end candybar handsets). He then put on a monocle, puffed on a Cuban cigar, and knocked back a tall glass of Cristal while chortling, "Oh, I do say!"
[Thanks, Alex]
posted Apr 8th 2008 12:27AM
absolutely hilarious ending, clearly engadget is one of the top 25 blogs on the web.
correct me if im wrong, but i do believe that engadget's number one by readership!
Oh I do say old chum! I believe that you are right about that
My word! What an astounding entry, my good sir. Bravo! I find myself rolling on the hardwood, brimming with the laughter reminiscent of a child's glee.
I can't remember a Nokia phone that's not free in europe including the N95 so they shouldn't be talking all that much. iphone is just 1 phone nokia has about 50 different models. if your wondering, yes T-Mobile in the UK has the N95 for free with a contract.
The Apple iphone was a copy off the LG Parda so why does everyone think the iPhone is the very first? Everything looks alike these days so does it really matters?
At snitch - 8800, 8600, E90 anyone? Even the N95 8GB has only recently become free on lower priced contracts. We may get "free" phones but we get raped on our tariffs - have a look at T Mobile USA's tariffs, they get twice what we get for the same price!
Hey snitch, Mr. Tech, and Dale
Could you please take your fanboy argues elsewhere? The people who reply to the first comment don't really seem to care who is the copier of who. We just want to love the reference in the post.
Seriously, I'm tired of this whole argument. Whomever(because i do not know which came first) came up with the idea of the slab with no buttons does not matter. As long as it does not 100 percent copy the iPhone, then it cannot be legitimately called a "knockoff". I said it before and I'll say it again.
It is a new cell phone design, not exclusive to one handset. I don't think that every phone that came out was called a knockoff or copy of the original candybar or clamshell phone.
It's the equivalent to saying to someone, "Hey! How dare you copy my simian ancestry! Get back on four legs! You're not wanted here."
It is simply your own prejudice against the iPhone that causes this rift to exist. I'm not defending the iPhone, just hear me out. If the iPhone wasn't here, this would be one of the lineup of new phones that use the "slab" design. However, since there is a huge fanboi rift on the subject of the iPhone, this argument exists that one phone copies off of another. The only phones that copy off of the iPhone are the ones who blatantly use the same software elements as well as hardware ones.
Seriously. Read what roe has to say down further. That is a good example of how people should be responding to this kind of release. "This is cool, let's see what it has to offer" instead of "I hate it because it uses the same design as an interesting product that i may or may not hate"
Be happy people. Indubitably. *chortle chortle*
@Sati: I'm suprised IFMROTHBWTLROACG hasn't caught on on the interwebs like LOL or ROTFLMAO...
Though, I do believe it's available as a quick entry on the vertu phones texting interface.
Oh noes, the apple connection, better do something about it...
okey here is the deal people, let me sum it up for you...
Nokia ROCKS! no, not because i am a fanboi, but serious, because i have checked various markets...
in the middle east and asia markets, where phones are NOT subsidized by the service provider, nokia provides the best value for the buck...
nokia has made a reputation for best surviving the wears and tears of what we call life...i have seen nokia phones go through extreme rough use and manhandling, and trust me nokia comes first, sony ericsson a distant second (though current models are a bit more tougher, sony is learning and closing the gap quickly), and samsung and lg, for all their cheapness and fanciness, are runners up..
you see, mobiles are an expensive investment, for a thing so small, one crack and you may have lost your months pay worth of asset...
THAT is why nokia will always rock, because of their reputation of staying rock hard...
sorry for the long rant, but you NA viewers need to be updated of mobile situations outside your own zone...
Uh, what the hell? i wrote my rant in rant tags, and engaget's comment system ate it up!
no really i did < rant > and < /rant >, and they didn't show, gee i wonder why
ya, the iphone is a ripoff of the LG prada... why is everyone so infatuated with apple? anyways, here's a cool d800i hiphone "clone" for a lot less than the iphone and this nokia one as well... http://www.chinagrabber.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1531&HS=1
The problem is Apple has iTunes and they don't. And people are already used to it.
i stopped buying Ipods because itunes. i can't STAND that software.
So?
The real excitement for people like me (college student), is that maybe I'll be able to get something similar to the Iphone for under $400.
That's the whole reason Nokia sells, and I'm betting that for the average joe freaking Itunes isn't make a difference if a $400 phone was out of their price range in the first place.
The only people that really have a problem with iTunes are geeks who think they're cultured because they use Flac or Ogg or whatever exotic format that's so in vogue these days. But you ask my nine year old niece and her friends and the whole generations of tweens that are growing up now what they prefer, they will say iTunes because it's the only thing they know. And these tweens actually *gasp* BUY their music (with their parents money, but still they buy it)! They are the generation that are going to decide whether the iPod stays or goes.
@ByronGman
I can almost guarantee you Apple is going to release a iPhone Nano at some point. They're probably playing with a prototype right now. Apple isn't stupid. They know their best selling iPod is the Nano, so they're certainly going to drop it on the market like a bomb shell once the regular iPhone reaches a certain point of saturation.
How exactly are you going to nano-fy an Iphone?
Make it smaller? (There goes the nice screen.)
Lower capacity? (Cripple music/movie storage options)
Remove features? (How exactly does that do anything worth while?)
Turning the Iphone nano is a bad idea because you're going to end up crippling the device while a less flashy phone will offer more storage or features.
Clak, get off your American POV for a moment. In Europe, iTunes is pretty much pointless. I know nobody who ever bought a song on there. And even in America, the average person buys 20 songs during the years they have an iPod. Hardly an impressive number...
And yeah, iTunes on Windows sucks. BAD.
@ByronGman,
I'm sure when the 3G iPhone is released you'll be able to find plenty of of perfectly good iPhones for very cheap. Especially considering they have already been going for as little as $199 through official channels. (http://www.google.com/search?q=att+refurbished+iphone+199)
@ByronGman
You're forgetting. The biggest advantage of having an iPhone is that it's a phone and an iPod. So the people that don't want all the fancy features in the regular iPhone, and don't want to carry 2 devices and already have their music collection on iTunes, are going to buy an iPhone Nano.
So all Apple has to do is release a clamshell phone with 8 gigabytes of storage space ( even when Apple supported those popular phones from Motorola, flash wasn't as cheap or prevalent as it is now. This is a BIG advantage) a normal keypad and a screen that plays video. By the time the iPhone Nano is released, Apple will have a 16 and 32 GB model iPhone and they can drop the 8 GB line completely.
If they price that baby around $150, it will be perfect for all those people that don't want to fork over the cash for a full fledged iPhone.
@ ByronGman | Sorry pal but Nokia doesn't really target poor college student with their high end cellphones. Nokia newest gadget in the US is the N95 8GB Black Edition and the MSRP starting price is about $650.00 so you might want to look somewhere else buddy. The up side to this is it will play Doom! That and it has 3G too.
"The only people that really have a problem with iTunes are geeks who think they're cultured because they use Flac or Ogg or whatever exotic format that's so in vogue these days."
My problem is that iTunes is as slow as molasses even compared to WMP. I can only scroll one song per second while a song is playing in iTunes, WMP doesn't have that problem. If the iTunes window is inactive, I have to wait at least 2 seconds while it becomes active and, once again, this problem is limited to iTunes. iTunes is truly a crappy program.
@ clak
"The only people that really have a problem with iTunes are geeks who think they're cultured because they use Flac or Ogg or whatever exotic format that's so in vogue these days. But you ask my nine year old niece and her friends and the whole generations of tweens that are growing up now what they prefer, they will say iTunes because it's the only thing they know. And these tweens actually *gasp* BUY their music (with their parents money, but still they buy it)! They are the generation that are going to decide whether the iPod stays or goes."
I make all of my purchasing decisions by consulting a group of 9 year-olds...iTunes sucks because the selection sucks (unless you're looking for the new Mims joint), the quality sucks (unless you're deaf), the speed sucks, and syncing sucks. And those file formats are not about being cultured, its about actually liking to listen to music as it was intended to sound, not a terribly compressed 128 kbps version. Hopefully, someday those "tweens" will grow up to appreciate a quality product and quality music recordings.
i'll probably get one of these. nokia is my favorite phone brand.
iPhone 2.0 will already eating up more marketshare when this is released
Not until they release an unlocked a version!
Nokia's marketshare has INCREASED since the iPhone launched.
Yeah, choosing to go with a single vendor was the dumbest thing Apple did with the iPhone.
I have an iPhone, but I only bought one after I was sure I could unlock it and keep it unlocked. I love it, but I can't recommend it to my non-computer geek friends and family because you either have to hack it or get tied to AT&T for life. I wouldn't recommend getting tied to ANY carrier (not just AT&T), and this is especially true now that Android is coming out soon.
Scott - Why do you think it was Apple's choice to go with one vendor? Apple shopped the iPhone concept around to all the major vendors in the US, and AT&T was the only one was willing to redo their infrastructure to support visual voicemail and allow Apple to sell the iPhone with an unlimited data plan.
Verizon flat out turned Apple down when approached with the iPhone. They didn't have any foresight at all, which is consistent with their policy of locking features out of the phones they sell to their customers. Their CEO is basically a huge dumbass.
In any case, Apple was clearly trying to sell the iPhone through as many carriers as possible, but it's not really up to Apple if they get turned down, right?
Nokia should just back off and fight Sony Ericsson rather than Apple. I don't hate Nokia products but Apple products are really worth the money, a lot of time Nokia products are lackluster, get dull, or feel cheap. But I must say if it weren't for those adds about "open devices" we would have the iPhone sdk.
That's baloney, Chris G. Nokia had nothing to do with Apple releasing the SDK and neither did the hacking community. I am convinced that this was Apple's plan all along, but Apple obviously underestimated the intense interest or else they wouldn't have had to come out and make an announcement just to calm everyone down.
So, I guess The Steve's original announcement that there *wouldn't* be an SDK and we'd all have to make do with web apps, was just to throw everyone off the scent.
If that's really true, then I guess he's not always as savvy at judging the public's reaction as he's made out to be.
Agreed. The original iPhone "SDK" was Safari, and that is why Safari was released for Windows, so people could test code from either platform.
@clak: if I was in his position and the SDK wasn't ready, I'd say, "SDK for awesome native apps will be released as soon as we're certain it's secure. In the meantime, look at all the cool things you can still do with web apps!"
Yeah, maybe they got a few extra web apps this way. They also got a lot of negative publicity, a bunch of pissed-off developers, plenty of jail-broken phones (and extra tech support costs as a result), and more than a few lost sales. Doesn't sound like a real clever tradeoff to me, but hey, Jobs is the genius round here.
"though he failed to mention that it was 4 million low-end candybar handsets"
Right, because everyone knows Apple is the world leader in the smart phone market. Oh wait, that's Nokia.
that's right. people seem to get all into the hype of Apple products and they forget that there were STUFF BEFORE APPLE. things in the iPhone weren't new, they're not even that great. Apple just have better luck advertising their products than most companies out there do. And after Apple miraculously became the standard of all things electronic... well lets just say there's a Before-Apple-Era that nobody seems to remembers!
oops, i went on a tirade... best wishes to Nokia's new toy!
True. Apple is just lucky. If it weren't for their pesky luck, they'd have filed for chapter 11 by now.
@Cindy
You Apple haters say the same thing over and over and still you miss the big point. It's not that Apple does something first. That's not important. They're the first people to do it RIGHT.
It's like the Altair versus the Apple II. The Altair came before, but it was just a box with switches and lights on the front. The Apple II had color graphics, an integrated keyboard, sound, and eight internal expansion slots and totally dominated the market.
Sure there were Mp3 players before the iPod, but the iPod had a click wheel and an easy to use interface. So you continue to repeat that diatribe all you want, but it won't change these simple facts.
QED man. That was a hard burn lol when I read that I was like holy crap.
kashka that is, not clak your an idiot
Well, to be fair, the first gen iPod didn't had a click wheel, just a scroll wheel. The click wheel didn't come out 'til the 4th gen.
Either way, yes, you are correct. What I think is more to the point is that Apple is also the first to make these products popular (no, not bad grammar, just weird tense). I mean, even if the Apple ][ or the Macintosh or the iMac or the iPod or the iPhone weren't the /best/ per se, or the first, they /were/ the most popular. People bought them in droves then, and they do so today. I mean, the Macintosh might as well have been a re-boxed Xerox Alto for all I know (I've never seen an Alto up close) but that doesn't make it any less innovative. What Apple does is takes amazing technology, makes it ergonomic (not just pretty, mind you, though that as well) and markets it really well. Just inventing the mouse isn't enough; you have to take it and make it widespread. That's what Apple does, and that's why they earn my props. At the same time, that's why the draw the ire of a lot of people. They're not the first, or even the best, but the most notable and the most successful. Take that as you will.
"Luck" for 30 years, huh? Keep failing, haters. Number one music store in the U.S., number 4 computer manufacturer in the U.S., best-selling mp3 players, best mainstream OS, successful retail stores, top mobile browser share within a fraction of time in the market of all competitors... That's a long streak: I think you might want to redefine what you consider 'luck.'
It's just 'luck' that the mobile giant that sells Apple's phone sales "in a weekend" makes their new phone and interface look and act just like the competitor's phone they claim to be? Why not compare how many $399 Nokia phones sell in the same period as Apple's phone? How many N95s have sold again? Hmm.
Although they act nonchalant, Nokia betrays their concern about Apple mentioning Apple directly and indirectly (the 'unlocked' poster ads in major cities) and designing a device that clearly screams 'iPhone' - pull the 'Tube' out and people will think 'iPhone,' no matter how many times you wind yourself explaining to people that it's not an iPhone.
Oh poppycock Clak! Apple doesn't do things "right" they just cater to the least common denominator, the people who want to be high-tech but couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were on the heel.
Most conversations I have with "Mac people" at the university where I work in IT goes like this:
"Excuse me, can you help me with a problem I am having with this computer?"
"Sure, just give me a sec to finish up here"
"My MacBook is SO much faster than these HP workstations! You should switch this library to Macs."
"Really? When did you buy it?"
"Oh, it got here last week."
"So, to be clear, you're comparing your brand new C2D MacBook with 2+ GB of RAM to this 4 year old AMD budget-tastic student workstation with 512 MB of RAM which is primarily here to allow people to check FaceBook and MySpace?"
"Dude, it's not about how old it is, Macs are just better, they just are"
"I don't understand, you're comparing a super charged Corvette to a Ford Focus, equipped with bicycle tires and the engine removed."
"Mac are just built better, they are faster and boot up in less time."
..............
"I'm sorry, I can't help you with what you're having trouble with."
"But I haven't even told you what's wrong yet."
"Yeah, but I am positive I don't know how to fix it, I mean, after all you're obviously the computer expert here, what with your knowledge of Macs and all. I'll recommend to my department head that we hire you ASAP."
"You're a dick!"
"Probably"
And that's why Macs sell at all, because ignorant douche bags are told, and thus believe, that they are faster and better. That or they are even bigger douche bags and think the design of their computer says something about them as a person.
@Draaainge!
Why do Windows users think they're smarter than Mac users because Windows is harder to use? That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. I was a Windows user for 10 years. I switched BECAUSE Macs were easier to use. This isn't command line days. Personal computers became dominant and popular BECAUSE the graphical user interface dumbed computers down so that the ordinary public could use it, so you guys aren't smarter because you use Windows. You're actually pretty stupid, because you would rather use something that's inferior, something that Microsoft managed to make harder to use, despite the original intention for the GUI to make computers easy.
"This isn't command line days."
Funny you say that, because the command line in OSX is pretty much the major selling point for me.
My conversations with Windows users usually go like this.
"Hey, John, my PC is really slow. What can I do to make it faster?"
"You probably have a lot of malware slowing you down."
"But, John, I haven't even been to any bad sites. I don't even look at porn that much these days, now that I'm married."
"Have you visited the web more than twice this month?
"Yeah."
"Then you're screwed. Windows doesn't require you to actually visit bad sites to download malware, because of ActiveX controls...uh, never mind."
"Okay."
"Tell you what. Buy some more RAM and Norton Anti-Virus."
"Okay."
"And Spybot: Search and Destroy."
"Yeah."
"Ad Aware."
"Okay."
"And defrag your hard drive once a week."
"What day do you do it?"
"Oh, I have a Mac. I don't have to defrag my hard drive. OS X uses something called Hot File Adaptive Clustering."
"Huh?"
"Never mind, just buy the RAM, install those programs and you should be fine."
"Okay."
A month goes by and my Windows friend calls me back.
"John, my PC is running slow again."
"You buy the RAM and all those AV programs I told you about?"
"Yeah."
"And you're defragging?"
"Yeah."
"Re-install Windows."
Another month goes by. My phone rings.
"Dude."
"Buy a Mac."
Click.
@Draaaainage!
'Sfunny, but my interaction with almost all the Wintel users I have to deal with is that they know jack shit about how to use their system, so Mr. Mac User here has to give them their tech support.
Meanwhile, the MacOS people I meet tend to know how to do at least remedial troubleshooting and problem analysis.
Feels like your university population is the problem - both the students and the IT department sound like utter dicks.
There's jackasses and damnfools on every platform. Get over it.
@ clak: hahah totally.
But you forgot the part where they say "But my windows friend told me that macs r totally gay. ...because they only have 1 mouse button, and er, like 30 other stupid-ass reasons that are utterly false. Nevermind that they're completely ingrained in the windows-IT world, and anything not sanctioned by Microsoft makes them kick and scream and, really, scares the shit out of them, because it's different and scary, but also generally less broken and doesn't have built-in job security... but yeah, those windows-IT morons are telling me that macs are "teh suk" ...shoul i really buy one?"
That is S60 touch, more info including a demostration video can be found here:
http://www.mivadika.com/forum/software/1778-nokia-s60-touch-interface-launched.html
Some early information regarding Nokia's "iPhone" can be found here:
http://mivadika.com/forum/communications/1562-10-things-about-nokia-s-iphone.html
First Nokia devices with touch screens based on touch will come in many forms by the end of the year.
Well, if the final product is as THICK as the one the girl is using....I'll pass.
Draaaainage! I do believe you're a techno snob...don't you like the fact that Apple makes technology accessible and fun to use for the luddite masses? I just got an iPhone last week, it's a beautiful device, easy to use, they've brought real competition to the mobile phone sector so everyone's a winner! I am a Windows user but credit where it's due, Apple designs intuitive and beautiful (and functional) devices.
The Nokia bloke sounds like a right wanker.
if this hits australia before the iPhone does apple can say goodbye to quite a decent profit.
Not going to happen, they still have to go through all that FCC business, and the last time they demoed this product on that stage ad the interface was just fake, video animations.
Tube? You have to be kidding right?
No, not kidding. "Tube" is purely an internal codename for a product that doesn't have a real product name (eg. N78, N96 N8something) yet. And believe me, as a codename "Tube" is not from the more bizarre end...
With a product name like N472 who *wouldn't* want one.
that author is a MACTARD
Dude!
I have the Iphone and I too can't wait to see what Nokia has to offer as well too! The Iphone is very limited with alot of stuff like the A2DP,3G,Video Recording, and lack of MegaPixel (Camera with no flash, can't send picture as a regular text message need I say more? And if Nokia offers all of these requirements which they do already on there high end phone then I might have to get the nokia touchscreen phone instead. I can't wait to see what nokia has to offer!!!!
thanks engadget for the laugh. Now waiting for the day when we get to watch it blend.
agree with cindy, apple's popularity is largely based on the Pretty-factor and cult type marketing.
some of their technologies are definitely good but then again which major company has not had contributions to technology?
Atleast the products of other tech majors get criticized when they are not good, apple fans mindlessly pray to every apple product like it fell from the heavens. and half of them are just repeating chatter they ve picked up from sum friends or off the net.
Cindy, the last thing in your post shows how immature you are. Honestly.
@cindy and loop
You guys that complain about Apple making computers that are pretty, are once again, missing the big point.
There is a very good reason why people are flocking to buy computers with good design. Computers are more than simple commodities these days. Everybody has one, so naturally people are more inclined to pick computers that stand out from the beige boxes we've come accustomed to. There's this great analogy in this 3 year old article by Nicholos G. Carr, a writer for BusinessWeek. Carr pretty much predicted the resurgence of Apple after writing an article comparing Dell to Apple. Dell was dismissing the iPod at the time as a fad, but Carr used this analogy about Ford to explain why Apple was going to start dominating the computer market:
"It's the classic Model T strategy. Like Dell with PCs, Ford Motor came to dominate the car market a century ago by turning the automobile into a cheap, mass-market product. Other manufacturers couldn't compete with Ford's extraordinarily efficient operations. By the early '20s, sales of Ford's drab but well-built Model T surpassed those of all other U.S. auto makers combined.
Then the market changed. As consumers began to take cars' basic functions for granted, they started seeking a little pizzazz in their vehicles. An unadorned black roadster was no longer enough -- everyone suddenly wanted a stylish set of wheels. Niches proliferated. Fashion mattered... While Ford continued to churn out one-size-fits-all Model Ts, GM introduced a string of attention-grabbing Chevrolet models with smart new features. It also began tweaking its models every year, following the lead of clothes designers. By 1926, Chevrolet was stealing market share from Ford. By 1927, Chevys were actually outselling Model Ts. The market had gone, to use Sloan's terms, from "mass" to "mass class."
Okay, so if you don't understand that simple analogy, you're never going to get why people love Apple. And I know you guys think that Steve Jobs just throws a fresh coat of paint on Apple products and makes a nice commercial to sucker everyone in, but unless you've owned a Mac, you'll never understand how the power of Macs are more than skin deep.
Steve Jobs once said, "Most people make the mistake of thinking design is what it looks like. People think it's this veneer— that the designers are handed this box and told, 'Make it look good!' That's not what we think design is. It's not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."
@Cindy
You Apple haters say the same thing over and over and still you miss the big point. It's not that Apple does something first. That's not important. They're the first people to do it RIGHT.
It's like the Altair versus the Apple II. The Altair came before, but it was just a box with switches and lights on the front. The Apple II had color graphics, an integrated keyboard, sound, and eight internal expansion slots and totally dominated the market.
Sure there were Mp3 players before the iPod, but the iPod had a click wheel and an easy to use interface. So you continue to repeat that diatribe all you want, but it won't change these simple facts.
@ Clak
and you Apple fanboys all say the same things too. its nearly impossible to speak to you guys because all you guys do is point out how new and shiny your new toys are and how much money you had to dish out for it. and when you cry about how everything costs you more money cause NOTHING goes into an Apple computer willingly... boo-hoo. Apple is not 'Da Shit' and it does not do anything right. All Apple has are a bunch of idiotic followers that eats whatever Apple hand feds you and whom masturbates to a picture of Steve Jobs.
@Draaaainage!
thats typically what my convos are with Apply Fanboys/Girls too
Ingenuity. If you don't have it, fake it!
This is impressive!! Tactic feedback, all existing S60 3rd edition app's work on it without modification (thats a LOT of apps!), it even has gestures (put the phone face down if you don't want to answer it etc) and much more... obviously with Nokia's ability to use current generation technology, there should be no end of buyers for this phone!! (i.e. 3.5G support, gig's of RAM with expansion abilities, user replaceable battery... you know all those easy simple every-day-life things that other phone forgot about!)
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Tactic != Haptic + Tactile
@Caleb - "you keep using that word" ?? Its my only post in this entire thread. I suspect you have the wrong person. I also never mentioned haptic. And yes, the only thing you're right about... Tactic does not equal haptic -- and once again, I never mentioned, inferred or even suggested haptic at all.
The term "tactic" comes directly from Nokia's marketing for this product. Where, when you 'tap' the screen, you actually 'feel' a response to you touching the screen with your finger, instead of just feeling cold glass.
Please perform your research before having a mind fart.
@glen
actually by that definition tactic then means haptic
please enjoy my great research.
(http://www.google.com/search?q=%22tactic+feedback%22) - 80 Results
(http://www.google.com/search?q=%22You+keep+using+that+word.+I+do+not+think+it+means+what+you+think+it+means.%22) - 35,000 Results
Also - searching nokiausa.com for "tactic feedback" returns zero results. I'd love to see this marketing that slaughters the english language though. Do you have a link?
@glen
and just so you know, tactic was a word before "nokia" came around tried to make it into haptic
look in a dictionary for what tactic means
once again, please enjoy my great skill in research world!
I don't think I'd want to put my brand new shiny touch "tube" on it's face just to scratched up, unless of course nokia actually put something new into there iphone wannabe so that it can't get scratched.
After that demonstration of the extremely disappointing touch S60 interface, I'm not sure if I'm excited about this - assuming that it is coming with S60 which if it is a true iPhone competitor it probably won't.
Honestly, I am waiting for the SE Xperia to jump ship from my current iPhone.
Nokia ftw!!
Well I'd like a closer look at this anyway, I am sure it will be more app friendly with a Nokia blessing from the get go.
I think a Nokia version of a touch phone would far surpass Apple's. Nokia has had so many cool phones in the past, I don't see them having any trouble topping the i-phone.
Nokia: Clunky and Smarmy all at once!
Just some things I noticed with your post nh:
iTunes copy protection?
If anything, Steve wants to get RID of the damn thing. He wrote an open letter on that.
And the Mighty Mouse can support left and right clicks. And you're free to plug in a two button mouse yourself.
"They're the first people to do it RIGHT."
No, No and No again! Apple don't do it 'right'; they do it 'simple' and 'cool' and 'how people want'. There is a big difference, and that is WHY Apple haters even exist. People in the know hate the fact that their products become popular despite their technical limitations, and it encourages other manufactures to do the same. But people buy them because they simply don't care about these things.
Examples of things that have certainly not been done 'right' but buyers don't care about:
iPod multiple PC syncing behaviour
iTunes copy protection
Lack of 3G on iPhone
Locked iPhone
Single mouse button
This isn't not a criticism of Apple users (I am a Mac user), people just have different priorities.
Actually I recently found out you can use media player to load songs on an ipod. So you don't have to use Itunes.
when trying to insult someone's intelligence, use correct grammar.
Cristal?!? Surely you jest, old boy! Cristal hasn't been worth drinking for nearly two decades! Why, I had a glass of that vile liquid with the Earl of Shropshire a fortnight ago, and I dare say it was hardly worthy to strip the paint off the portrait of my great grandfather, the 10th Baron of Eastbrook! Much better to stick with Pol Roger! If it was good enough for Lord Churchill, it's surely good enough for me! Bah, Cristal! I do say! Quiiite... *mutters incomprehensibly*
didn't he also say because of battery limitations, iphone would not go 3G? hmm...
Yes, another smarmy quote from another high level executive. If you can call him that. Seems to me that a pattern has emerged regarding these types of comments. Putting up a false bravado to try and deflect what many users can already sense from them. That their days of glory are over.
Imagine if Steve Jobs had said the same thing. There would be hundred articles tomorrow from journalists and bloggers and pundits using this as an example of "Apple arrogance." I actually like it when executives trash talk. It's interesting and fun to read.
Hahaha, given El Jobso's history of being a total asshat, I would think that the headline for his arrogance would be something like:
"Steve Jobs is a total dick head, sky still blue!"
I've never seen an executive be so publicly rude to people, especially those who admire him enough to ask for an autograph.
Ballmer may be crazy, and sweaty, and screaming, and monkey like, and loud, and have a fondness for developers, and...well I'm not sure where this point was going actually.
@clak
"Imagine if Steve Jobs had said the same thing. There would be hundred articles tomorrow from journalists and bloggers and pundits using this as an example of "Apple arrogance.""
You mean like describing his product as five years ahead of the competition? Jobs and smarmy go hand-in-head.
God, don't even get me started about FLAC and OGG. My friend insists on only using them, and not MP3, on principle, claiming that MP3 is closed source and, ergo, evil. Cummon, man, it's a codec, not an OS, or even an app. I use iTunes, but that's because I'm an evil corporate hack who loves to feed the capitalist machine and kill innocent people in doing so (ironic fact: Current Song: Fuck the Police--Rage Against the Machine). Seriously, folks, I just like paying for music. 99¢? For me, that's nothing. Way less that buying a CD, and I can at least sleep kind of well knowing that artists are getting some money. I don't think Madonna's starving, far from it, but I do think she deserves to get paid for what she does. I don't see the logic behind punishing her (as some sharers seem to advocate) for being rich and famous. Yeah, I know most of the money goes to the labels, but why don't they deserve to get paid? They're the one's who made her famous.
As to the iPhone nano? Hmmm... sure. I mean, it took them a while to bring out the iPod mini (my first, baby!) but that was because mini HDDs of a respectable size had to come down in price (or be invented? I forget.) I can't see it coming out any time soon- like, within the next six months; they can't threaten the iPhone's market share with a cheaper cousin/brother/sister/great aunt. After the iPhone 2.0 + six months, that's my guess.
Wow could it be that there is someone as dismissive of Apple as Steve is of everyone else? Looking forward to the smug off!
(Isn't all candy bars. Last I heard they had sold 7 million N95s over the last year.)
Thats hardcore. How many countries is the N95 available in?
...and as a follow on. How much is Nokia making on the N95 due to carefully negotiated exclusivity contracts with service providers?
@Miguel
At least you acknowledge how quickly Apple penetrated this market with what many consider a unfinished (beta?) product. You're numbers still need to be normalized to 1 years worth of sales from Nokia in my opinion to be a true comparison.
I welcome the competition from Nokia as i believe it will drive innovation.
@Caleb
The number of countries is irrelevant. The real issues is identifying the demographics of the mobile handset market. If subscriber numbers are to be believed, the US handset market is approximately 250 million phones. Europe's total is somewhere around 500 million. Apple has been in the US market for a little less than a year; in the UK, France and Germany since November (so, six months); Ireland and Austria for one month. So Apple's total market is (approximately) 500 million unique users to appeal to. Of those 500 million, they have captured 4 million, most of whom are in the US. They have captured at best 2% of the market in the US, and even less in Europe.
Nokia, meanwhile, has global marketshare over 50%. Of the smartphone market specifically, the Symbian OS owns about 65%, and Nokia all by its lonesome owns about 50% to Apple's paltry 7% of the smartphone market.
4 million phones in the last year? Nokia says "pft." What they DO NOT disregard however is that Apple has effectively split the US smartphone market into even thirds in one year. Nokia sees them with another six months in Europe. They do not like that without offering a good answer. And since Symbian is the world's smartphone OS of choice, this is a great answer. Promising.
@ L
"iTunes pointless in Europe". Thats a pretty stupid statement.
I'd like to see some evidence to back that up. You know as well as everyone else how well used it is. Whether you like using it or not is your choice but there's no need to make cr@p up.
Seriously? You're really doing that to me?
That whole thing above was supposed to be @ clak
Well, to be fair, it /is/ 2:33am (somewhere...)
I'm not an Apple fan but I have to add this here. I've used multiple phones in my history (probably more then 5 top end Nokias, SE's, a BlackBerry and few Motorolas years ago) and I have to add that none of them was
- build in quality as iPhone is
- friendly and easy to use as iPhone is
- fun as iPhone is
- powerfull as iPhone is
iPhone lacks some basic mobile features, but somehow I don't miss them... The only 2 really missing features are 3G and MMS and this is I believe is coming very soon. What makes iPhone the best mobile phone is that combines easy to use phone, an iPod and good internet/email experience. I've never had that before and I'm just happy to have it now. I'll stick to iPhone and I'll probably get 3G version when it comes out because thing will fly on my 7.2mbps 3G network
You see that guy on the phone? He is going to say: Hi! I'm a Nokia!
And that will be the end of that phone...
I just sick of the hypocrisy of handset manufacturers dissing the iPhone; claiming it isn't worth the aluminium it's cast in, whilst frantically developing copycat devices which ape, not only the form-factor, but the UI to boot.
You can't discount the iPhone as an overpriced developmental flash in the pan on Monday, pimp you own version on Tuesday, and retain any sense of credibility by Wednesday.
Paul
@Kizorblade: Fair enough about the DRM... but Amazon have found a way around it!
"And the Mighty Mouse can support left and right clicks." Kind of, but it's not a proper right click, so you can't hold the left button and click the right, which means you can't use mouse gestures in Opera for example.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/brandonshigeta/1473133645/