If your interest in processor speeds doesn't extend much beyond "is it fast?" then these juicy tidbits likely aren't for you. That said, AMD is certainly getting excited about its upcoming
Barcelona successor: the 45nm
Shanghai. The main points of interest out of the gate are HyperTransport 3.0, which was nixed late in the game on Barcelona, and six cores, which are meant to pit the chip up against Intel's upcoming six-core
Dunnington chip. Where things get really exciting is a few months after Shanghai's late 2008 debut, when AMD plans do release a twin-die version, with 12 cores of happiness connected by HyperTransport 3.0. What does all that mean? Beats us, but we hope it's fast.
posted Apr 18th 2008 5:12PM
=fast
does that mean there will be two processers with 6 cores each
yeah. the two processors will be stuck together making 1 processor
Hah! Take that you Intel bashing AMDers. AMD is mimicking Intel when they made their Core 2 Quads!
Hah! Take that you Intel bashing AMDers. AMD is mimicking Intel when they made their Core 2 Quads!
more fanboyism and double posts please
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i wonder how crysis will run on this chip . .
It won't just run, it'll sprint! :D
Maximum Speed
Well, not necessarily any faster, since Crysis doesn't utilize anything beyond two cores.
My vote is still on "Ludicrous Speed".
This should really be on ebay...
; )
Wasn't it AMD that dogged on Intel for using twin dies to acheive Quad Cores? Hmm.
Yes, but Intel doesn't have a HyperTransport 3 to allow the cores to text each other faster than a gaggle of tweenies!
No, they have QPI, which is rumored to be faster and more efficient than HyperTransport 3.0
12 cores?
Could that be just a little bit overkill? I mean, I caught my second core napping this afternoon.
yea man, is it worth it. i'm gonna be building a PC over the summer and was considering getting the Q9775, but these new ones from AMD and Intel sound leaps n bounds over the Q9770 and coming right around the corner.
oh man, so hard to decide.
the best today is not the best tomorrow.
if you need it just buy it.
hmm looks like Ryan shut down the comments on the auction. how weird. it's funny how everyone was so quick to get their egos all involved. people who made rational arguments for why an online auction site (i.e. ebay) would be better suited were told by frothing cheerleaders to "STFU!!!111". ah well.
They were auctioning this 12 core processor? [/sarcasm I know where you meant to post]
To bad that HyperTransport 3.0 is already on amds current quad core....
But its not used.
Hypertransport 3.0 was somehow included and fused down.
Each core will be 256k of processing power!
I don't know why, but I prefer AMD these days...
maybe it's the underdog thing....
I agree with you...
In my mind, you vote with your dollars, and so i vote for AMD, i know intel has better performance, the Q6600 is $40 more and you get about 10 frames per second more than the Phenom 9550... but either way we are talking maybe 30 frames on the Phenom and 40 on the Q6600.. either one is not a slouch by any means, and frames are very playable..... so i rather use my $40 difference and put it towars a motherboard
but thats just me.
I'd rather support AMD just cause I know competition is good, about a 8 months - 1 year ago i probably wouldn't have said that based on their offerings.. they were pretty crappy. By now differences seem to be very minimal, so I think I'll support AMD just because competition = prices stay low like this and performance/innovation prospers. Everyone should really consider the long term view of buying from one or the other cause if AMD goes under, next time you want to upgrade I'll bet the price per performance goes up.
HyperTransport 3.0 is being used completely in am2+. HyperTransport 3.0 is just a faster speed up from 1000mhz to 2600mhz.
You should read the HT 3.0 spec, *sigh. Its not "just a faster speed up from 1000mhz to 2600mhz". There is more to HT3.0 than a speed increase - and the new features will be quite useful for multi-socketed servers. I guess if it doesn't apply to the gammer desktop, it doesn't exist?
Lets hope the included their couple month margin of error when they said late 2008.
Rumor has it that Intel has plans to respond with an Ultra Low Power version of 12 Atom cores....... All equivalent to the power drain of One Pentium D..... In Press reports Intel's PR machine says these type of dozen core CPU's (there's a rumor of a baker's dozen as a top of the range machine) are perfect for nerds with multiple personality disorders who all need computing power at the same time. While being ecologically friendly to the environment in standby mode. In other words ideal for military war games computers.
I've never noticed how weird it is to have a CPU named after a city (Barcelona) until AMD named its successor after a city from my country - Shanghai.
I'd love to have a Bangkok in my laptop.
How about a Fucking in your laptop?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking%2C_Austria
How about Intercourse in your laptop?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercourse_pennsylvania
Proud to be a resident of Pennsylvania.
It could only get better...
i want ill pack my pc with 2 12 cores 24 cores total...
This is worthless until the software catches up.
Each key could be assigned a dedicated core, allowing more responsive keyboards...
This will be great for folding@home :D
Big D is right. AMD and Intel are at each others throats and software is still running on 2 cores and under. So congrads on designing a chip that will slightly improve stuff we actually do and make our DVD's burn faster.
SOFTWARE PEOPLE LETS CATCH UP TO FRONT OF THE PACK HERE!
This is all assuming that AMD is around by that time. Look, I'm all for competition and would like to see them succeed. But they ain't doing well and what if someone buys them out?
Hope you guys are more accurate on your reporting, than you are on your spelling...
>>>"sucessor"
MOAR CORES! OM NOM NOM NOM
I'm amazed that engadget even bothers to parrot anything out of AMD's P.R. mouth anymore. At this point, why would anyone give a $hit what the latest AMD paper-announcement about a paper launch is? They should change their name to AVD: "American VAPOR Devices" ..
One day someone will write a book and detail what the hell happened in the processor wars: why AMD hit a stride for a few years and gained favor with enthusiasts and gamers for low cost/high perofrming CPU's, only to stumble beginning in the mid 2000's when Intel debuted multi-core processors followed by AMD never recovering.
The ONE seeming thing AMD finally learned was not to bother trying to guesstimate release timeframes for their supposed "upcoming products" anymore, since everyone knows where that's gotten them in the last few years (products that were late and over budget (and therefore noncompetetive with Intel), or simply cancelled altogether).
From the chief executes that are fleeing the AMD ship, to the stock price that's in the toilet, to the paper launches of late, I wouldn't dream of being a stock holder.
If I was head of AMD I would tell me public relations department (whoever hasn't quit yet) to STFU and then I'd tell R&D to develop a killer product in secrecy, not announcing the g-damn release until the DAY its actually available to distribution channels and OEM's.
Ofcourse they won't do that, so be my guest, AMD, continue to bleed out while we all watch and remember the golden years.
-An old AMD fan that had no choice but go Intel
Want to talk about paper launches Intels 45mm Chips now thats a paper Lanch. They launched in November and still no E8500's, Q9550's retail box chips. Reason we need AMD to succeed is because of the prices intel is charging. Who would have thought the top cpu would top $1500 and just a few months back it was $ 900+. Thats more than a 50% increase in price, thank you Intel. It amazes me that to play Crysis you have to spend over $1500 on a chip and atleast $1200 on Video cards and still cannot play it with all the eye candy on, what a reap off by both intel and nvidia. Amd better succeed so that things on the price front do not get out of hand. $4000 to play crysis is just too much and if it gets any worst computer hardware folks maybe pricing themselves out of the gaming market.
I'd rather take a stable 10 Ghz Core 2 Duo, Phenom or Athlon X2 than this 12 core non-sense. Until programmers actually start utilizing more than 2 or 4 cores at a time, this will be a commercial flop for the time being. Even with 12 cores, increase real-world performance using available applications will be negligible.
A commercial flop you say ? Just look at the consumer digital photography market... you really think Joe needs 10 megapixels to shoot his holiday pictures ? # of cores is the new Mhz - I'm quite certain it will sell chips, whatever their actual meaning/usability is.
With all due respect to Joe, whether he knows it or not he can print bigger-than-a4/letter-sized enlargements without obvious jaggies and loss of detail that he got with his 4MP when trying to do this without his new 10MP+ cam. Assuming he has bought a DSLR or equivalent with a half-decent sized CCD, which Joe is doing in droves these days. Among other benefits.
I'd say the 12 core deal ranks far lower in usefulness, but as we all know these things will drift down to mainstream at a sane pricepoint and will even have the much-desired usefulness at one point, even if it is just to start the latest Windows :p
There will be nobody forcing you into this, so it seems sane to just keep voting with your dollars.
(written on a *gasp* single core machine)
Why not make ATI better？
That's like asking "why don't cars drive 500 miles per gallon?"
You CAN'T make ATI better, no matter how hard you try. They tapped out a long time ago. Nvidia yawns whenever ATI announces a new product, because it means they send an email to their P.R. department: "release the hounds" and what follows is the prompt release of a product that they've long developed but have been holding back for 12-18 months for lack of competition.
Because it isn't a Canadian company any more :P ATI should have never let AMD buy them out (they were doing good for a while... they had one card that actually beat NVidia in performance... and that was before the buyout).
People who complain there isn't software that can utilize multiple cores need to look past the end of their nose. No the average Joe home user or even gamer isn't going to use 12 cores right away. That isn't their initial market. The market is first in SERVER space. You know, stuff like virtualization, web servers, database servers. Current modern server software that SHOULD use multiple cores on the most part CAN use multiple cores.
@Schfelzerberg
The don't make 10Ghz because at about 4 to 5 Ghz the speed is too great to be realistically cooled.
The enterprise sector will definitely use these. I can see some data centers using these for VMware ESX servers with Vmotion. In fact, many companies are starting to use VM's for their Citrix farms. Makes for very quick disaster recovery.
I have access to an 8 core mac pro, and I cannot get compressor to use 100% of all 8 cores when compressing video... and OS X is great at that...
Using that many cores for one application is going to take some work... although enterprise apps may find it useuful... A lot of websites that use MySQL use Opterons because of their great 64 bit support (which works GREAT with MySQL)
It's over NINE cores!!!
Didn't MS set the max per license at 8 cores or something? And while I mention it, can windows even work with more than 4 cores? Or even use them at all, I bet it'll require all sorts of patches knowing MS.
And I do include server versions of windows in my fears.
I can't wait to tell my friends at Geek Squad about this, thanks Geek Squad your the greatest. (This comment has no affiliations with the Best Buy Company, friends til the end Best Buy, awesome!)