Sony TG3E / TG1 camcorder review
We had the good fortune to receive a Sony HDR-TG3E (aka, HDR-TG1 for North America) review unit on the day we departed for a bit of tropical relaxation. As such, we return with a real world look at how the Titanium-shelled TG3E performed in the sun, surf, and sand of an honest to goodness family holiday. We set off with high hopes for the world's smallest 1080i (1920 x 1080/60i @ 16Mbps) camcorder, high enough that we left our trusty Xacti HD700 at home. Not high enough to leave behind our aging, but proven 5 megapixel point-and-shoot still camera though. So, how did it do? Review after the break.
Update: Added .m2ts formatted video samples for download.
Touchscreen User Interface
While people tend to love or hate touch-screens, we generally consider ourselves lovers, not haters of the once novelty display technology. We're willing to sacrifice those deliciously tactile buttons to the gods of gadgetry in exchange for a more compact device with bigger screen and cleaner overall design. That love affair ends with the TG3E. The touchscreen offers no value-add to the consumer here, only distraction. Oh, where to begin...

For starters, the protruding bezel surrounding the glass combined with tiny, touch-screen target icons placed in the corners and along the extreme edges of the display resulted in our only source of grief during an otherwise blissful week adrift in the Indian ocean. As such, many of our average-size, man-sausaged attempts to tap an icon resulted in second and third pokes of increasing force. And we do mean pokes -- we found ourselves more often than not having to master our tentative, touchscreen-tapping nature and take a deliberate stab at the display to elicit a response. The incessant grubbing was further intensified by Sony's inefficient and overwrought UI.
Intuitive, the TG3E is not. We're ashamed to say that we were forced to reference the user manual for the most mundane tasks more than once during our two weeks of continuous use. Some options, such as setting the date and time, are so deeply or obtusely buried within the menus that we were left with no choice but to spin-up the CD and search the PDF. This ain't no VCR, regularly adjusting the time is an important task on a camcorder if you want your images and videos cataloged as you move around time zones -- especially if you are carrying multiple imaging devices (which we were).
We did manage to figure out most of the features by the 2nd or 3rd day of heavy usage -- an eternity given the breadth of devices we've used over the years. And seriously Sony, a minimum of seven taps just to delete a picture or video when we're limited to just 25 minutes of 1080i video on the included 4GB Memory Stick Pro Duo card? There are two methods for deleting content. The first requires 7 taps and is useful when deleting the photograph or video you just took, which, let's face it, happens all the time in the age of digital imaging: Play -> [touch photo/video to delete] -> Others -> trash can -> delete -> yes -> Ok. Another method requires 8 taps: Home -> Others -> Delete -> Delete -> Delete -> [touch photo/video to delete] -> Ok -> Yes -> Ok. The latter does, at least, allow you to select multiple, non-sequential shots for deletion all at once. Nevertheless, we can review and delete an image on our Casio Exilim compact camera and images or video on our Xacti HD700 camcorder in only 3 clicks.
Another complaint is that the touch-screen UI approach requires two hands to operate -- the right hand holds the pistol grip while the left punches away at the display. The result is an overly cumbersome system which more than once caused us to miss the early action we would have caught with our Xacti -- a camcorder which opts for a slimmed down UI and joystick for nimble, one-handed navigation. Let's be clear though, this two-handed criticism is leveled at all touchscreen camcorders, not just the TG3E.
Maybe it's just us, be we rarely do any video editing or slideshow viewing directly from the camera -- built-in HDMI jack or not. Our approach is to shoot video and photographs, dump them to disk, and then process them using a more powerful computer with a large desktop display. Regardless, Sony stuffed the TG3E with a bevy of organizational features like face, date, and roll indexing and a playlist manager. All of which allow you to (in theory anyway) quickly search and pinpoint specific moments you've captured for playback. A bit overzealous since the solid state TG3E can't exactly hold hours of 1080i video. As such, all these playback "features" come across as a lot of unnecessary fluff at the cost of simplicity and usability.
Naturally, the UI isn't everything. In fact, you'll likely begrudgingly master its idiosyncrasies just as we did. Hell, we all learned to use XP didn't we? In fact, many of us now refuse to give it up even though a prettier, sexier sibling has hit the streets. The true test of this 1080i camcorder is in the image quality. We'll get to that in a sec.
Let's shoot some video
What can we say, the TG3E is small, the world's smallest 1080i camcorder. As such, it's as portable as you'll get. While we wouldn't say it was comfortable snaking about in the front pocket of our obligatory white-linen, resort trousers, it is pocketable without causing too much of an excited SpongeBob bulge. Unfortunately, the short battery life and minimal out-of-the-box storage meant regular trips to the power jack and USB cable to recharge the battery and free up space.

Sony says that the included InfoLITHIUM battery pack NP-FH50 should provide about 45 minutes of typical battery power with the LCD on. Let's face it, without an optical viewfinder, that's pretty much your only option. In our testing, we averaged about an hour of photography and video per charging cycle. In general, battery life was never an issue. We did come dangerously close to running out of battery life on the first sunny day to hit our shores by cranking up the LCD to near 100% brightness while bumping the backlight to "bright." Big mistake. Battery life plummeted, nearly running out of juice after just a few minutes of video and a dozen or so snaps. No worries, we noticed the drain and dropped the 2.7-inch LCD back to the lower, battery friendly settings. The image was still viewable as long as we maintained a right-angle viewing position with the display. Overall, the LCD visibility exceeded our expectations even under a clear blue sky at a mere 6-degree latitude north of the equator.
Memory is of course expandable: Sony says that an ($80) 8GB Memory Stick PRO Duo will snag 55 minutes of AVCHD 1920 x 1080/60i video (highest quality) while a ($220) 16GB card pushes capacity to almost 2 hours of continuous 1080i recording. Naturally, Sony also offers lower quality recording options including an AVCHD 1440 x 1080/60i mode and SD, MPEG2 mode for up to 85 minutes or 2.5 hours of video on that same 4GB card, respectively.
While 25 minutes or so of 1080i AVCHD recordings on the included 4GB Memory Stick Pro Duo card doesn't sound like much, that capacity can easily last for a few days of holiday video. However, we're intensely frugal with the footage we capture, rarely allowing any given recording to exceed 1 minute in length. Still, for a one week holiday, 4GB just wasn't enough total capacity, especially since we were snapping photos with the TG3E on top of all that HD video. Our parental paranoia of missing that perfect moment meant we were routinely purging unwanted footage (7 steps each time!) and then dumping the Memory Stick content to our laptop every day or two -- yes we brought our laptop, good thing too.
Time to edit
Moving images between our Intel-based MacBook Pro running OS X Leopard and the TG3E was a snap. Just tether the TG3E via Sony's proprietary "USB Terminal Adapter" cable and select "USB Connect" when it appears on the camcorder's display. At that point, iMovie and/or iPhoto launches automatically depending upon your configuration. However, the experience was far from flawless. To be fair, most of the problems are related to AVCHD in general and thus Sony and Panasonic share equal blame.
It's worth highlighting the fact that Apple's iMovie 08 only supports AVCHD on Intel-based Macs. Older PowerPC machines need not apply.
The first minor issue we encountered was disk capacity related. See, about an hour of 1080i AVCHD video transfered via iMovie 08 equates to about 40GB of disk according to Apple. As such, we quickly found ourselves deleting files like mad in order to free-up space on our suddenly itty bitty laptop hard drive. Unfortunately for the kids, their Disney flicks were the first thing to go. Once the imports started, they were verrrry slow. Import times were on an order of 3x longer than the length of the footage shot. As such, 20 minutes of video could easily take an hour or longer to transfer. Why? iMovie 08 does not support AVCHD directly, it converts the video to the Apple Intermediate Codec on the fly during import. Ugh, we must have missed that in Apple's fine print.
After getting the videos transfered, we discovered that iPhoto and iMovie were unable to automatically delete the images or video from the camcorder. Instead, we had to finger our way through the TG3E's deletion maze and choose "Delete All" under both the video and image deletion menu options. Fine given our constant shoot and dump-to-laptop approach. But this would have created havoc if we had been selecting individual files to transfer off the camcorder.
Our next unpleasant surprise was audio related. We're unable to export movies created within iMovie 08 at a full 1920 x 1080 resolution with the original Dolby Digital 5.1 channel sound in tact. A real disappointment. This appears to be a limitation overcome by Final Cut Pro which, unfortunately, we don't have. iMovie strips the audio down to two channel stereo during the import process. Double ugh!
Unfortunately, it doesn't get any better when using the Sony supplied Picture Motion Browser v3.0 software (with relevant plug-ins) on our PC. While videos transfered very fast to the native AVCHD Windows-only software, we were unable to playback the imported .mt2s videos in the supplied AVCHD player. The latest official release (and even the latest nightly build) of VLC choked too. After a few hours of trying, we gave up. Regardless, the software was so tedious and coated in such a thick layer of Sony-coded drudgery that there was nothing we felt worthy of salvage. PC users will be going to third parties like Cyberlink, Corel, Nero, and others if they buy this camera.
Video and image quality
This is what it all boils down to right, the quality of the image, still or moving. At this point we could sit back and tell you that the 4 megapixel still images weren't as sharp as we'd like or that the colors tended to be over saturated. We could also comment on the camera's decent pickup (without pixelation) of fast action scenes under well-lit environments and how well the TG3E's electronic image stabilization seemed to handle shake under the camcorder's max, 10x zoom. We could even lament the heavy grain experienced under typical, in-home lighting. Instead, we'll just post a few examples for your own highly subjective grandstanding.
139MB: 1080i zen recorded outside under mid-day, equatorial sunshine
157MB: 1080i grain-fest shot indoors, late afternoon sunshine, near large French doors
219MB: 1080i shot outside under decidedly weaker, northern European sun at full 10x optical zoom
17.7MB: Exact same scene shot at 720p with Xacti HD700 at full 5x zoom (note wind noise, relatively shaky picture, and size of that file)
134MB: SMTH SLW REC slow motion mode -- we're suckers for slo-mo even if it's at the cost of image quality and limited to just 3 seconds of footage
70MB: 1440 x 1080 dancing robot (.m2ts format)
105MB: 1080i dancing robot indoors under overhead lighting on rainy day (.m2ts format)
We think the image gallery comparing identical scenes shot with the TG3E and four year old, 5 megapixel Casio Exilim EX-Z55 speaks for itself.
Other things we disliked... and liked
What, no headphone or microphone jacks Sony? Did you not notice these on the Sanyo Xacti HD1000 during your competitive analysis?
There's a long list of niceties including the look (sex in a box), the weight (light but not cheap), automatic lens cap, 3-second SMTH SLW REC slow motion recording, snappy image-stabilized 10x optical zoom, and HDMI jack right on the camera. We also like the Quick On mode which puts the camera to sleep for up to 15 minutes after you close the LCD. That means you can start recording in as little as 2 seconds vs. 5 seconds when the camcorder is turned completely off.
Bottom line
Overall, the TG3E is a winner of a product as long as you're setup to deal with the AVCHD file format. In other words, you should factor in the cost ($100 and up) of a proper AVCHD video editing software package with the purchase of the TG3E. For some of you, those who value ultra-portable convenience over the quality you get by carrying multiple devices, the TG3E could even replace your point-and-shoot camera on holiday. Not us though.
As much as we expected to, we simply can't give the TG3E an enthusiastic Engadget recommendation for one simple reason: Sanyo's XACTI HD1000. We used the HD1000 extensively at CES and it's nearly spec-for-spec identical to the TG3E. It also features a much simpler UI requiring only a single hand to operate, an external mic jack, and video recordings in the much more popular MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 format for $250 less than the TG3E. Guess what our choice would be?
Update: Added .m2ts formatted video samples for download.
Touchscreen User Interface
While people tend to love or hate touch-screens, we generally consider ourselves lovers, not haters of the once novelty display technology. We're willing to sacrifice those deliciously tactile buttons to the gods of gadgetry in exchange for a more compact device with bigger screen and cleaner overall design. That love affair ends with the TG3E. The touchscreen offers no value-add to the consumer here, only distraction. Oh, where to begin...

Intuitive, the TG3E is not. We're ashamed to say that we were forced to reference the user manual for the most mundane tasks more than once during our two weeks of continuous use. Some options, such as setting the date and time, are so deeply or obtusely buried within the menus that we were left with no choice but to spin-up the CD and search the PDF. This ain't no VCR, regularly adjusting the time is an important task on a camcorder if you want your images and videos cataloged as you move around time zones -- especially if you are carrying multiple imaging devices (which we were).
We did manage to figure out most of the features by the 2nd or 3rd day of heavy usage -- an eternity given the breadth of devices we've used over the years. And seriously Sony, a minimum of seven taps just to delete a picture or video when we're limited to just 25 minutes of 1080i video on the included 4GB Memory Stick Pro Duo card? There are two methods for deleting content. The first requires 7 taps and is useful when deleting the photograph or video you just took, which, let's face it, happens all the time in the age of digital imaging: Play -> [touch photo/video to delete] -> Others -> trash can -> delete -> yes -> Ok. Another method requires 8 taps: Home -> Others -> Delete -> Delete -> Delete -> [touch photo/video to delete] -> Ok -> Yes -> Ok. The latter does, at least, allow you to select multiple, non-sequential shots for deletion all at once. Nevertheless, we can review and delete an image on our Casio Exilim compact camera and images or video on our Xacti HD700 camcorder in only 3 clicks.
Another complaint is that the touch-screen UI approach requires two hands to operate -- the right hand holds the pistol grip while the left punches away at the display. The result is an overly cumbersome system which more than once caused us to miss the early action we would have caught with our Xacti -- a camcorder which opts for a slimmed down UI and joystick for nimble, one-handed navigation. Let's be clear though, this two-handed criticism is leveled at all touchscreen camcorders, not just the TG3E.
Maybe it's just us, be we rarely do any video editing or slideshow viewing directly from the camera -- built-in HDMI jack or not. Our approach is to shoot video and photographs, dump them to disk, and then process them using a more powerful computer with a large desktop display. Regardless, Sony stuffed the TG3E with a bevy of organizational features like face, date, and roll indexing and a playlist manager. All of which allow you to (in theory anyway) quickly search and pinpoint specific moments you've captured for playback. A bit overzealous since the solid state TG3E can't exactly hold hours of 1080i video. As such, all these playback "features" come across as a lot of unnecessary fluff at the cost of simplicity and usability.
Naturally, the UI isn't everything. In fact, you'll likely begrudgingly master its idiosyncrasies just as we did. Hell, we all learned to use XP didn't we? In fact, many of us now refuse to give it up even though a prettier, sexier sibling has hit the streets. The true test of this 1080i camcorder is in the image quality. We'll get to that in a sec.
Let's shoot some video
What can we say, the TG3E is small, the world's smallest 1080i camcorder. As such, it's as portable as you'll get. While we wouldn't say it was comfortable snaking about in the front pocket of our obligatory white-linen, resort trousers, it is pocketable without causing too much of an excited SpongeBob bulge. Unfortunately, the short battery life and minimal out-of-the-box storage meant regular trips to the power jack and USB cable to recharge the battery and free up space.

Memory is of course expandable: Sony says that an ($80) 8GB Memory Stick PRO Duo will snag 55 minutes of AVCHD 1920 x 1080/60i video (highest quality) while a ($220) 16GB card pushes capacity to almost 2 hours of continuous 1080i recording. Naturally, Sony also offers lower quality recording options including an AVCHD 1440 x 1080/60i mode and SD, MPEG2 mode for up to 85 minutes or 2.5 hours of video on that same 4GB card, respectively.
While 25 minutes or so of 1080i AVCHD recordings on the included 4GB Memory Stick Pro Duo card doesn't sound like much, that capacity can easily last for a few days of holiday video. However, we're intensely frugal with the footage we capture, rarely allowing any given recording to exceed 1 minute in length. Still, for a one week holiday, 4GB just wasn't enough total capacity, especially since we were snapping photos with the TG3E on top of all that HD video. Our parental paranoia of missing that perfect moment meant we were routinely purging unwanted footage (7 steps each time!) and then dumping the Memory Stick content to our laptop every day or two -- yes we brought our laptop, good thing too.
Time to edit
Moving images between our Intel-based MacBook Pro running OS X Leopard and the TG3E was a snap. Just tether the TG3E via Sony's proprietary "USB Terminal Adapter" cable and select "USB Connect" when it appears on the camcorder's display. At that point, iMovie and/or iPhoto launches automatically depending upon your configuration. However, the experience was far from flawless. To be fair, most of the problems are related to AVCHD in general and thus Sony and Panasonic share equal blame.
It's worth highlighting the fact that Apple's iMovie 08 only supports AVCHD on Intel-based Macs. Older PowerPC machines need not apply.
The first minor issue we encountered was disk capacity related. See, about an hour of 1080i AVCHD video transfered via iMovie 08 equates to about 40GB of disk according to Apple. As such, we quickly found ourselves deleting files like mad in order to free-up space on our suddenly itty bitty laptop hard drive. Unfortunately for the kids, their Disney flicks were the first thing to go. Once the imports started, they were verrrry slow. Import times were on an order of 3x longer than the length of the footage shot. As such, 20 minutes of video could easily take an hour or longer to transfer. Why? iMovie 08 does not support AVCHD directly, it converts the video to the Apple Intermediate Codec on the fly during import. Ugh, we must have missed that in Apple's fine print.
After getting the videos transfered, we discovered that iPhoto and iMovie were unable to automatically delete the images or video from the camcorder. Instead, we had to finger our way through the TG3E's deletion maze and choose "Delete All" under both the video and image deletion menu options. Fine given our constant shoot and dump-to-laptop approach. But this would have created havoc if we had been selecting individual files to transfer off the camcorder.
Our next unpleasant surprise was audio related. We're unable to export movies created within iMovie 08 at a full 1920 x 1080 resolution with the original Dolby Digital 5.1 channel sound in tact. A real disappointment. This appears to be a limitation overcome by Final Cut Pro which, unfortunately, we don't have. iMovie strips the audio down to two channel stereo during the import process. Double ugh!
Unfortunately, it doesn't get any better when using the Sony supplied Picture Motion Browser v3.0 software (with relevant plug-ins) on our PC. While videos transfered very fast to the native AVCHD Windows-only software, we were unable to playback the imported .mt2s videos in the supplied AVCHD player. The latest official release (and even the latest nightly build) of VLC choked too. After a few hours of trying, we gave up. Regardless, the software was so tedious and coated in such a thick layer of Sony-coded drudgery that there was nothing we felt worthy of salvage. PC users will be going to third parties like Cyberlink, Corel, Nero, and others if they buy this camera.
Video and image quality
This is what it all boils down to right, the quality of the image, still or moving. At this point we could sit back and tell you that the 4 megapixel still images weren't as sharp as we'd like or that the colors tended to be over saturated. We could also comment on the camera's decent pickup (without pixelation) of fast action scenes under well-lit environments and how well the TG3E's electronic image stabilization seemed to handle shake under the camcorder's max, 10x zoom. We could even lament the heavy grain experienced under typical, in-home lighting. Instead, we'll just post a few examples for your own highly subjective grandstanding.
139MB: 1080i zen recorded outside under mid-day, equatorial sunshine
157MB: 1080i grain-fest shot indoors, late afternoon sunshine, near large French doors
219MB: 1080i shot outside under decidedly weaker, northern European sun at full 10x optical zoom
17.7MB: Exact same scene shot at 720p with Xacti HD700 at full 5x zoom (note wind noise, relatively shaky picture, and size of that file)
134MB: SMTH SLW REC slow motion mode -- we're suckers for slo-mo even if it's at the cost of image quality and limited to just 3 seconds of footage
70MB: 1440 x 1080 dancing robot (.m2ts format)
105MB: 1080i dancing robot indoors under overhead lighting on rainy day (.m2ts format)
We think the image gallery comparing identical scenes shot with the TG3E and four year old, 5 megapixel Casio Exilim EX-Z55 speaks for itself.
Other things we disliked... and liked
What, no headphone or microphone jacks Sony? Did you not notice these on the Sanyo Xacti HD1000 during your competitive analysis?
There's a long list of niceties including the look (sex in a box), the weight (light but not cheap), automatic lens cap, 3-second SMTH SLW REC slow motion recording, snappy image-stabilized 10x optical zoom, and HDMI jack right on the camera. We also like the Quick On mode which puts the camera to sleep for up to 15 minutes after you close the LCD. That means you can start recording in as little as 2 seconds vs. 5 seconds when the camcorder is turned completely off.
Bottom line
Overall, the TG3E is a winner of a product as long as you're setup to deal with the AVCHD file format. In other words, you should factor in the cost ($100 and up) of a proper AVCHD video editing software package with the purchase of the TG3E. For some of you, those who value ultra-portable convenience over the quality you get by carrying multiple devices, the TG3E could even replace your point-and-shoot camera on holiday. Not us though.
As much as we expected to, we simply can't give the TG3E an enthusiastic Engadget recommendation for one simple reason: Sanyo's XACTI HD1000. We used the HD1000 extensively at CES and it's nearly spec-for-spec identical to the TG3E. It also features a much simpler UI requiring only a single hand to operate, an external mic jack, and video recordings in the much more popular MPEG-4 AVC/H.264 format for $250 less than the TG3E. Guess what our choice would be?












Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
chrisaroz @ May 15th 2008 12:59PM
Dang, that screen has horrible daylight visibility.
required @ May 15th 2008 1:00PM
I have Sanyo's Xacti HD1000 with their wide angle lens converter. It's a great camera.
Tony @ May 15th 2008 1:05PM
Damn. Just the review I was looking for. Thanks!
Eugenia Loli-Queru @ May 15th 2008 1:11PM
Please mount the camera and upload for us an ORIGINAL 1080i file from the camera, not the .mov files that iMovie has transcoded. It is not beneficial in viewing the sample footage in AIC, because AIC is not a real lossless codec. For true evaluation (and easier for you, as M2TS files are smaller than AIC MOV ones), please upload a true file, directly from the memory stick. Not only that, but PC Quicktime users can NOT read AIC files, only Mac Quicktime users can. While M2TS, if you have a recent video editor on the PC side, it can be viewed.
Also, a few questions: what about manual controls. Namely, does the camera allow you to have a completely custom white balance (I'd like to use a gray card you see). Can you adjust aperture, shutter speed, exposure compensation?
Thanks you for your time.
Eugenia Loli-Queru @ May 15th 2008 1:25PM
Just as I said (I just tried it for verification). Us, PC users can not read AIC MOV files at all, as PC Quicktime is stripped from that codec. And the various free codecs out there for Windows/Linux don't support AIC either, only Mac users can view your files. Please upload M2TS files. Thanks.
Thomas Ricker @ May 15th 2008 1:42PM
Uploading now, check back in an hour. Unfortunately, all the original videos are in AIC format now.
Thomas
Thomas Ricker @ May 15th 2008 2:31PM
try this
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/videos/SonyTG3E/robot-dance.m2ts
Thomas
Eugenia Loli-Queru @ May 15th 2008 2:48PM
Thank you, I got it. However, the video you just posted was in 1440x1080, not in 1920x1080. Did you simply record this in the 1440x1080 mode, or that is actually its highest resolution/quality?
One thing I noticed is that the camera has a hard time autofocusing correctly. The whole time the robot was out of focus and the bricks on the back were in focus.
Thomas Ricker @ May 15th 2008 2:52PM
damn, you're right. it's in 1440 x 1080 mode. Sigh, it's dark now. Will shoot another at highest rez first thing in the morning.
Thomas
Thomas Ricker @ May 16th 2008 2:06AM
full 1920x1080, 1080ki video now available in m2ts format
http://www.engadget.com/videos/SonyTG3E/robot-dance-indoors.m2ts
Thomas
Eugenia Loli-Queru @ May 16th 2008 2:02PM
Got it thank you.
The camera is not that good in low light, the image is "jumping". Better than some other ones I guess though. :)
v @ May 15th 2008 1:13PM
maldives?
Duder @ May 15th 2008 1:21PM
That's what I was thinking, too...
Thomas Ricker @ May 15th 2008 1:47PM
ding ding ding, correct you are.
Thomas
Ed @ May 20th 2008 7:34AM
Beach House at Manafaru?
Thomas Ricker @ May 16th 2008 4:21PM
@Ed, Wow, indeed it is.
Thomas
johnmgbrowniii @ May 15th 2008 1:15PM
Sony vs. Sanyo: "spec for spec identical "--except for the gaping enormous difference in bitrate. Pffaw. I'll wait for the camcorderinfo review.
Joshua @ May 15th 2008 3:31PM
Agreed. 720 vs. 1080 is not spec-for-spec. And the Sanyo 720 is not even good-looking 720...with all the macro-blocking compression. Horrible.
Thomas Ricker @ May 15th 2008 3:51PM
@Joshua, The Xacti HD1000 is a 1080i camcorder with 4 megapixel CMOS sensor... same as the Sony.
The biggest difference is the recording format and bit rate -- 12Mbps on the HD1000 vs 16Mbps on the Sony.
Thomas
Wonderkid @ May 15th 2008 1:15PM
I spent over 30 minutes playing with a TG3/TG1 in a Sony showroom here in sunny (now rainy) England. I concur 100% with this review. The camera build quality is excellent, but it is unusable. I found the mechanical controls as bad as the tiny touch screen controls. I was about to buy one and am v sad. So, going to choose between the larger solid state or hard drive equipped HDTV Sony cams or the ergonomically excellent Sanyo 1000. The problem here is Sony have modelled the TG on Japanese hands. They have lost a sale. I would not buy one at half the price. It is unusable. A waste!
Toleio @ May 15th 2008 2:47PM
Go for the canon TX1 - or look it up.
Its a winner.
lakersin2025 @ May 15th 2008 6:43PM
Get a Canon HF100
bob e @ May 15th 2008 1:16PM
what is a mov file?
Jonathan @ May 15th 2008 4:39PM
Serious??? A movie file usually played with Quicktime.....
rock99rock @ May 15th 2008 1:26PM
WAIT A SECOND. Are you saying my casio z55 is 4 years old??
IT-Accountant @ May 15th 2008 1:33PM
"take a deliberate stab at the display to illicit a response" is a typo, "elicit" a response would be the correct English phrasing. "Illicit" means "unlawful", and I doubt you were trying to get the camera to do something illegal now, right? Right? Please?
Just my obsessive-compulsive $.02
peterjohndean1 @ May 15th 2008 1:41PM
Really nasty artefacts. Definitely not the camera to buy.
heffeque @ May 15th 2008 1:46PM
Interlaced sux, progressive rules.
Sean @ May 15th 2008 3:17PM
to my knowledge, there is no 1080p handycam that comes in "handy".
the SONY HDR-FX7 was probably the first 1080p/24p camcorder that's actually in SMALL size. there are some handycams capturing 1080p but they don't record it that way, wiki for HDV may help finding the reasons.
also if i want a 1080p i'd make sure i'm a prosumer, otherwise it's just wasting of $$.
heffeque @ May 15th 2008 5:22PM
720p looked a lot better than 1080i just for the simple reason that the interlacing is horribly distracting and awful looking. The uneven parallel lines just make HD videos look like some crappy big YouTube video, specially when no advanced deinterlacing process is added.
Rohan @ May 15th 2008 1:57PM
Dear Engadget,
A fantastic feature to have on such lengthy reviews would be a "bottom line" section. I love your prose, but please remember that many readers have only a minute or so to glance at an article. For items that are about the bottom line, a simple "pro/con" summary at the end would be very nice.
Many people skip reading reviews that don't synopsize themselves. Some very picky folk even consider it arrogant for a review not to. (Not saying that folk is me)
Thomas Ricker @ May 15th 2008 2:15PM
Uh, perhaps you missed the final section titled "Bottom Line?"
Thomas
Taylor @ May 15th 2008 2:26PM
Snap!
Camperton @ May 15th 2008 2:09PM
Where in the indian ocean is that. looks beautiful.
Taylor @ May 15th 2008 2:29PM
Thanks for the review, it made me realize that at $650 on amazon, the Sanyo HD1000 is the way to go! :)
-Taylor
booster @ May 15th 2008 2:32PM
Am I missing something here? why is the Sanyo video the only one that I can get a picture on? are these in a mac only format? Or PAL?
slarity @ May 15th 2008 2:48PM
damn you engadget, why do I need a camcorder? I might buy the HD1000 just to have...
S4Rs @ May 15th 2008 3:20PM
Why couldn't sony just come out with an update to their DSC-M2. I think people want a great camera and an ok video player. my M2 was nice, but updated to be more compact and have better picture and video quality would of made it great. One of sony's most unique features is the slideshows, low res stored photos, and hybrid shots on the camera as well and it seems that was left out. this is an over powering camcorder with crappy photos. I mean people want clean youtube videos not 1080i monstrosities. How many people even have the capability to watch this stuff on their tv. burn a dvd or watch it at the computer? hmm....
That form factor, 480P/720i, 8.1MP camera, at least 5x Optical zoom, and sony's standard camera tools, slideshow, would make a wicked hybrid device.
they might as well of put a Cell processor in this thing and have it "fold at home" while its charging...
Jose Fernandez @ May 15th 2008 3:25PM
Yes, where was that beach? It looks awesome.
Shenzhov @ May 15th 2008 3:26PM
The video sample is in Sony's stupid format that no one can read.
Lee @ May 15th 2008 3:47PM
Another proprietary Sony format that you can only edit in Sony Vegas ...
Mugwump @ May 15th 2008 3:59PM
OK --I'll bite ---why are your feet backwards
pundit @ May 15th 2008 5:30PM
Uh, one foot appears to be rather female, that on the left. Maybe his wife came with him, since his kids are there according to the article.
Tony @ May 15th 2008 5:30PM
Only one of the feet are his. He's probably with someone else.
I'm shocked to see these photos aren't blurry. Good job Thomas!
kcandiloro @ May 15th 2008 5:26PM
I assume that you took the first photo of the TG3E/TG1 camera with your Casio Exilim. Can you post a photo of the Exilim taken with the TG3E/TG1 for the purposes of scientific rigor? Thanks!
Whtrbt7 @ May 15th 2008 6:44PM
M2TS or MTS are actually AVCHD accepted formats that are also used in high-end HD video editing. If you don't understand the technicals of the format, you probably should learn or know that the tech isn't for you. Great review of the TG3E except I would go so far to say that it shouldn't be recommended just for the lack of MP4 recording. Also this review is incomplete since it's not comparing the actual footage and picture quality compared to the HD1000 which is a similar product. Also the software that is included is PC only but the AVCHD format is generally accepted by software such as Adobe Premiere, Final Cut Studio, and Pinnacle Studio.
Leandro Almeida @ May 16th 2008 2:57PM
the Sanyo HD1000 has a really cool and sexy design but picture quality is my priority. looks like I will have to wait one mnore year or maybe go for one of those Panasonic little ones, with 12X zoom. Ohh, I love zoom.
PEZ @ May 15th 2008 6:53PM
Wow, those photos with the table and fruit on them look vividly dreamlike.. nto a lot of sunlight, but the rolled up material in the front left-center looks like ot pops off the photo... maybe its my eyes. Nice stills, I thoought. Anyone else?
SBE @ May 15th 2008 8:17PM
Why can't you just dump whatever is on the memory stick to your laptops hard disk directly forgetting about iMovie if all you're trying to do is save the video?
The dump should be quick, the file size is small and you can import it into whatever editing program you want later. There hasn't been any degradation because there hasn't been any transcoding and which is great if you decide all you want to do is burn a AVCHD encoded DVD. Straight bit for bit from the camera right to your TV and any Blueray player will read it. Perfect for lazy folks like me who just want to shoot, burn and ship the disk of to the grandparents with minimum invested effort.
Sure seems like a better method than waiting around for iMovie or whatever to unnecessarily eat up your disk drive.
Or am I missing something?
Irakli @ May 15th 2008 9:32PM
I watched robot m2ts file on nero showtime. awersome quility BTW !!!