Palm Pre first hands-on with live updates!
1:19PM - First photos are up. They're running us through a demo of the phone, so we haven't gotten to touch it just yet -- the tension is killing!
1:38PM - They let us play with it a bit -- while they held the other end, of course. The keyboard is Centro-esque, with shallow presses and cramped spacing. The actual keys are rubbery and easy enough to find with the fingernails of our massive man hands, other folks might have better luck using the pads of their fingers. The touchscreen isn't quite as responsive as the iPhone or G1 -- or it could be the OS, there seems to be a tiny lag between a tap and an action -- but it's still pretty great. We spent mere seconds toying with the OS, but all the actions seem ultra-intuitive.
Update: You can watch some video after the break!
Reader Comments (Page 1 of 4)
imacmatt09 @ Jan 8th 2009 5:10PM
I love how you reviewed something you never touched or have seen in person.
As for the pre, welcome back Palm.
you @ Jan 8th 2009 4:22PM
looks sexy
Paul Chapel @ Jan 8th 2009 5:17PM
It's a nice looking phone, but there seems to be a cycle on Engadget where everyone instantly loves and praises such and such a phone as an iPhone killer (think Instinct, G1, Storm) and then such and such phone comes out and everyone suddenly hates it for one reason or another. I like what I'm seeing from Palm and I really liked the Treo, but I'll be fairly reserved about it until some actual reviews.
My major concern is the music playing capability, lest we forget that Apple was piggybacking on the iPod's success in the market and still pretty much has their iTunes ecosystem intact, although the DRM-less music in iTunes might make a big difference here.
My other concern is how Palm is going to compete with the App Store. Those 10,000 apps on the iPhone just aren't going to disappear over night.
But, other than that, bravo Palm, bravo.
Jordan @ Jan 8th 2009 5:25PM
Paul, I can say that palm has had no problem in the past playing anything, minus, of course, Itunes files. Even the severly underpowered centro has a decent media player on it. I can imagine that palm, trying to compete with the Ipod, will have touched the media player up and streamlined it.
Paul Chapel @ Jan 8th 2009 5:33PM
@Jordan
When I referred to the music playing capability, I was talking about more than just the player. I'm talking about the whole ecosystem. What kind of music selections will Palm have available for it or will they rely on a company like Amazon? What about the management software? Will it have an equivalent of iTunes, that is, will it come with software that lets you create playlists, categories, ratings?
Well, I can already see some hardware problems with this phone. In the video above, the lady demonstrating put the web browser in landscape mode, which is cool, but without a landscape keyboard or virtual keyboard, how the heck are you going utilize the accelerometer to it's fullest potential? If you're browsing anything in landscape mode and you decide to type, you'll have to go back to the upright position. That's my first major complaint.
Like I said, I'm bored with the instant adulation that I see on Engadget. There's way too much love at first sight and not enough getting to know you before the marriage.
Saad Rabia @ Jan 8th 2009 5:36PM
Paul, if there is one explanation why people are so excited over Palm Pre it would be because of iPhone's utter lack of basic features in a supposedly smart device, I mean no video recording?! Seriously? And many other downfalls. If iPhone shines in software, well, Palm Pre is the sun that will shine in everything.
Serious buyers are not going to buy it until it is reviewed or tested, also don't underestimate open SDK, easy software development, and using the Pre as a mass storage device, this alone kills competition and sinks it in a pool of blood.
I'm giving up my Omnia as soon as Pre is out. Word.
Paul @ Jan 8th 2009 5:37PM
Paul, I agree with most of your reservations. However, note that 10,000 iPhone apps "appeared" in just 9 months, and that with a limited SDK that required developers to learn Objective C and own a mac. Of which, let's be honest, 100 maybe are worth crap (I keep 15'ish on my iPod Touch and use 5). It's Palm, not Apple, so sure we're not going to see the same level of ridiculous developer excitement, but it shouldn't be a real problem. Plus the SDK will be HTML/CSS/JavaScript. No major learning curve for hundreds of thousands of web developers. Also should be quick. Plus, unless they screw the pooch, it'll be more flexible than the iPhone. I'm hopeful.
Paul Chapel @ Jan 8th 2009 5:46PM
I don't believe you guys, just the other day everyone on Engadget was in love with Android for it's supposed openness and yada, yada, yada. Every new phone was followed up by the hope that the Android operating system would be ported to it one day. Now everyone is jumping on board with Palm, before they even know if it's worthwhile?
Instant Fanboyism.
Kris @ Jan 8th 2009 6:10PM
@Paul Chapel, it's not instantly fanboyism. It's realizing a product for what it's worth. If Engadget users can jump from loving Android to loving Palm WebOS more then that means the OS is better (or, at least seems better in its current state). That shows that they're _not_ fanboys but can actually look at something objectively and move to it if it's a better solution.
Paul Chapel @ Jan 8th 2009 6:50PM
I've watched videos here and on Gizmodo and I haven't seen one demo that shows the music player, video player, games or anything besides the browser and the photo app. There are so many things that haven't been shown on the phone and yet, everyone is ready to go out and buy one tomorrow (Yeah, I know it's not available yet, but you would if you could). That's actually kind of comical to me.
Everyone is so ready to jump into something headfirst without seeing everything first.
Frank @ Jan 8th 2009 9:26PM
There is no question that the development for this phone will meet or exceed the fruit phone.
EASY languages. I have been writing HTML/CSS/Java code since I was twelve. I heard it took Pandora THREE days only to create a pandora app for webOS.
Think of the Pre like the Yahoo Widget engine. The apps will be so easy to create think of them as widgets on the PRE. AWESOME.
So awesome. I am definitely owning a Pre.
Mr. Ford @ Jan 8th 2009 11:28PM
@Paul
You are correct. No one on Engadget is showing the collective reservation that Apple fans showed for the iPhone. None of the iFans decided to buy the iPhone without trying it first, right? *all hail Steve Jobs*
Nobody thought the iPhone would be anything special, but when it came out everyone who stood in line for one (without even seeing one first) suddenly realized it was awesome, right? *all hail Steve Jobs*
No one talked about how the iPhone was gonna be the greatest phone ever, even before it was fully tested, right? *all hail Steve Jobs*
Get real. You can't blame people for trying to rally support for a device that isn't an iPhone. The iPhone has many good features, but it isn't the only good device out there.
Acidox @ Jan 9th 2009 9:47PM
Any word of this being on Pay as you go for UK?
Patriks7 @ Jan 8th 2009 4:22PM
Let me guess, it sucks because it's not the iPhone?
ghop02 @ Jan 8th 2009 4:24PM
No. Its awesome because it's a NEW palm device!
rock99rock @ Jan 8th 2009 4:33PM
Makes me feel my iPhone is still in beta.
Jason Schloer @ Jan 8th 2009 4:41PM
Huge iPhone fan. Switched to AT&T from Sprint just to get it. Does this phone suck because it's not an iPhone? No this phone makes me wonder if I shouldn't have just stayed with Sprint...
drlynn @ Jan 8th 2009 4:54PM
No kidding. I literally *just* switched to AT&T and got an iPhone last week. Formerly a Treo 700p user on Sprint.... Did I just shoot myself in the foot?
Lane @ Jan 8th 2009 4:58PM
Palm making something like this really brings me back to the first time I touched a Palm Pilot. Oh the feeling.
CraigJ @ Jan 8th 2009 4:59PM
This is the great thing about competition. I would argue that Apple's entry into the business forced the carriers to re-evaluate their strategy, and that business as usual suddenly wasn't. Does everyone remember some of the notables saying that the iPhone would be a failure? I remember RiM, early on, saying something along the lines that their devices would always having physical keyboards, and Balmer laughing at it. Well, here we are 20 months later, and now we have Palm stepping up their game, and Blackberry releasing the storm, etc.
Like the iPhone or not, I'd have to say that the recent batch of good devices from RiM, Palm, etc probably wouldn't have been as cool had the iPhone not been so successful. Nothing motivates like fear of losing market share...
Competition FTW
Egghead @ Jan 8th 2009 5:31PM
I really love what Palm has done, but I'm just not sure I want to continue using Sprint. I just looked at similar smartphones and it looks like they force you into one of their "everything" plans. I don't need unlimited talk time and texting; Three people on our family plan don't even break the 700 anytime minutes we have and we don't text more than maybe 50/month. AT&T would allow me to get a 500 minute family plan with 250 texts and an unlimited data plan. Verizon has similar pricing structures and 'build your own' plans. Why does Sprint think that we all need, or even want, to have such unlimited plans for such exorbitant prices. Sure, the "everything" plans are $240/year cheaper than the similar plans at other carriers, but the plan that would fit me and most of the people I know is not offered at all and it looks like the basic shared family plan is $10/month more expensive than the other carriers. I really liked Sprint and wish I could continue to do business with them, but they just don't seem to want my business anymore. We even had to go through their Customer Retention department when they were messing up bills and graciously gave us free reign of texting for the life of our contract.
oakie @ Jan 8th 2009 5:43PM
@egghead you must not have looked at the Sprint website yourself for pricing info. there's THREE 'everything' plans priced at $59/79/99. only the $99 plan has unlimited talk. the others are 450 and 900, respectively.
so, $59 for 450 minutes and unlimited everything else... no other plan from any other provider can beat that.
Egghead @ Jan 8th 2009 6:00PM
@oakie
You were looking at individual plans which are $70/90/100 for 450/900/Unlimited, I need a family plan which are $130/170/190 for 1500/3000/Unlimited. So apparently Sprint caters to singles more than families and thinks that people talk a whole lot on their cellphones. Granted, I would be the only one using the smartphone, so the $70 plan for me and the $30 plan for basic use for my wife would be the cheapest Sprint could offer for me. In comparison, if I went with AT&T I could get the iPhone data plan for $30 in addition to the $60 family plan and it gives me everything I need. Sprint would cost me a minimum of $100/month plus it would be two bills whereas AT&T would be $90/month in one bill. Something just doesn't make sense.
Patriks7 @ Jan 8th 2009 7:46PM
Wow guys! Slow down! Evidently the sarcasm meter is down somewhere! And I was referring to Engadget actually, as the iPhone is the first phone everything is compared to 'round here and like 99% of the time the iPhone wins.
I even said in another post that I am definitely thinking about buying this once it hits Europe.
morganvachon @ Jan 8th 2009 10:15PM
@drlynn:
You have 30 days to return your iPhone without a early termination fee, so it's up to you. Perhaps you can return it, and get by with a prepaid phone until the Pre comes out. Personally, I'm an AT&T BlackBerry user which means I've got a company that gouges me left and right with little charges on my bill, yet offers phenomenal coverage where I live. I've got a phone that I love and would only give up for another BlackBerry like the Bold, but Sprint's less expensive and MUCH less restrictive data plans have convinced me to wait out my contract and consider jumping ship when the time is right.
I will say that if you can get a Premier FAN# on AT&T (i.e. convince them you're a business customer) you'll end up with an entirely different support staff. You'll be able to call customer support at 12:30am with an esoteric data issue and they'll be courteous, helpful and do everything they possibly can to make you a happy customer. Contrast that with their regular consumer support, which stops answering the phone after sundown and when you finally get someone after 20 minutes on hold, they either hang up on you or treat you like shit.
Easiest way to get a Premier FAN# used to be to add a tethering plan to your phone. You can keep the plan forever if you want to, but as long as you've been billed for it once, your account gets converted to business class and stays there even if you cancel the data plan later. That's how I got it on mine a few years ago, though nowadays you may be required to prove you are a business customer by other means.
Sorry that got so long winded; I must have thought I was on slashdot or something.
joe23521 @ Jan 8th 2009 4:23PM
Welcome back, Palm! You've really done it this time.
Phil @ Jan 8th 2009 5:35PM
Where have the highest ranked comments gone? I have seen none recently, and the above certainly deserves to stand out....
cowabungaCarl @ Jan 8th 2009 5:36PM
Palm has put itself back on the map with the pre. However, depending on how Sprint prices the phone, it could hamper Palm's success. If Sprint can price this at $200 (or less) on contract, and NOT force users to have a specific plan (like the iPhone), then I think this will do really well.
CraigJ @ Jan 8th 2009 7:41PM
Not to be a curmudgeon, but while I think this phone looks really promising from what litttle we've seen here, I want to see someone get their mits on in and dissect all the functions, usability, performance, etc before I gush all over it. We've been disappointed before...
Having said that I'm really hoping that Palm did it this time, because I was a fan way back when (I still have my US Robotics Palm Pilot), and both my wife and I had handsprings, and my wife has a current TX that she actually uses.
finger crossed...
petecomments @ Jan 8th 2009 4:23PM
Looks cool. I hope the GSM version comes out soon, they make the OS open source and open up an online app store.
bajanboss @ Jan 8th 2009 4:23PM
awesomenessityism
Saad Rabia @ Jan 8th 2009 4:38PM
Beyawesome.
Andrew @ Jan 8th 2009 4:24PM
Looks amazing,, and thin, too! I must get this phone.
greenwood @ Jan 8th 2009 4:24PM
THis phone looks really sexy. Can anyone tell me if the screen is wvga vga or oled? Cant wait to see it wireless charge to
Brandon @ Jan 8th 2009 4:29PM
A previous post states the phone is 480x320, and OLED is not a resolution, it is a display type.. like LCD.
Aaron @ Jan 8th 2009 4:51PM
Yes, but still, is it OLED or not? Looks good either way, but if it IS OLED that would just add +10 to this things amazingness.
tom @ Jan 8th 2009 5:08PM
If its OLED then you're not gonna do a hell of a lot of searching for the Blue Man group...
daevh @ Jan 8th 2009 5:15PM
tom, that made me smile..
Platinum_Skeet @ Jan 8th 2009 4:26PM
Sprints been getting some good phones lately...
greenwood @ Jan 8th 2009 4:37PM
Thanks brandon I got ya.
Sevenmack @ Jan 8th 2009 5:06PM
Exactly. Between the Samsung Rant (my personal and business phone for my consulting work) and my Blackberry (from my main client), I'm more than ready to keep Sprint going into the next economic boom. I may actually put out real money (as in unsubsidized) for that sweet new Palm phone.
Dolph @ Jan 8th 2009 4:27PM
My phone upgrade with Sprint should be available by the time this is released. I know what I'm using it towards! So sick of my MotoQ :(
Electromodo @ Jan 8th 2009 4:29PM
I will probably never buy this phone because of my own brand loyalty, but I am really excited! It's great that Palm got out of the ditch and came up with a great alternative!
Good job, Palm! You had the most surprising and encouraging CES presentation so far!
crashoverride @ Jan 8th 2009 4:29PM
Since it was late to the party, you knew it had to be great.
It sure looks like it is the real deal. Sprint just found it's saving grace. Kudos to Hesse and Sprint for that big win and props to Palm for being loyal to the Sprint Treo faithful with another exclusive. This may actually be the I-phone competitor that gets it done right. Wow....
Joe H @ Jan 8th 2009 4:31PM
A little unfortunate about all webapps, no expansion card slot that I can see (8GB isn't enough for my media), and no 5-way for gaming.
Other than that, its an absolute home-run, and I'll get it on day 1.
Finally, someone integrated the keyboard into the OS properly.
L @ Jan 8th 2009 4:46PM
There's a microSD slot, at least.
John Doe @ Jan 8th 2009 4:57PM
Question...How do you type on the keyboard in landscape mode???
trunkz627 @ Jan 8th 2009 5:14PM
awkwardly with your right hand.
ljm @ Jan 8th 2009 5:17PM
probably the same you type on a side sliding keyboard in with the display in portrait mode...
the screen will rotate to portrait, just like side sliding keyboards rotate the screen to landscape
ananimus3 @ Jan 8th 2009 5:17PM
@ John Doe: Apparently you don't. She says in the vid "there's no on screen keyboard. Why would you need one with the keyboard right there?" I tend to agree being a tactile keyboard lover. Especially since this style is friendly for one- OR two-thumb typing. As long as the screen rotation is as zippy as the first one in the vid (note the second one doesn't seem to bounce back, so she flicks it away quickly...) then who cares?