PopcornHour's latest C-200 media box is Blu-ray (& anything else) ready
The followup to the popular PopcornHour media streamer series has finally been announced, and the list of features makes it look worth the wait. Revealed in a post on the Networked Media Tank forums the C-200 contains an upgraded Sigma SMP8643 667 Mhz processor, HDMI 1.3 out, two SATA slots, a drive bay for mounting your own HDD, DVD or even Blu-ray drive (requires internal HDD or 1GB USB stick) and supports a list of networking standards, codecs and containers far too long to recount here. At first glance, only DivX jumps out as missing from the list, have a look at the forum posting and let us know if you spot. Of course, there's already a video unboxing available, seen after the break (along with the copied list of specs) or check out the full Google translated early hands on impressions from HomeTheater.co.il. The most pressing questions of when will these be available and for how much, will have to be answered at another time.
[Via HomeTheater.co.il & Geek Tonic]
[Via HomeTheater.co.il & Geek Tonic]
Specification
Connectivity
Bonjour
UPnP SSDP
UPnP AV
Windows Media Connect
Windows Media Player NSS
Samba
NFS
Media servers: myiHome, myiHomeLite, myiHomeMS (UPnP), MSP Portal
Third party media servers: WizD, SwissCenter, Llink, GB-PVR
BitTorrent P2P
Usenet downloader
NAS access: SMB, NFS, FTP
UPnP SSDP
UPnP AV
Windows Media Connect
Windows Media Player NSS
Samba
NFS
Media servers: myiHome, myiHomeLite, myiHomeMS (UPnP), MSP Portal
Third party media servers: WizD, SwissCenter, Llink, GB-PVR
BitTorrent P2P
Usenet downloader
NAS access: SMB, NFS, FTP
Web services
Video: YouTube, Vuze, Revision 3, Videocast, CNET TV, Mediafly, Veoh, Mevio, Bliptv, Break Podcast, CBS Evening News, CNN Anderson Cooper 360 Daily, CNN The Larry King Podcast, NBC Today Show, The CNN Daily, CNN In Case You Missed It, NBC Nightly News, NBC Meet The Press, CBS Face the Nation, Podfinder UK
Audio: Jamendo, iPodcast, BBC Podcast, Indiefeed, CNN News, ABC News
Photo: Flickr Photo, Picasaweb Photo, Pikeo, 23
RSS feed: Yahoo! Weather, NMT Forum, Bloglines, Cinecast, MSNBC News, Traffice Condition, Yahoo! Traffic Alerts, Yahoo! News, Weather Bug
Peer-to-peer TV: SayaTV
Internet Radio: Radio box, Live365 Radio
Audio: Jamendo, iPodcast, BBC Podcast, Indiefeed, CNN News, ABC News
Photo: Flickr Photo, Picasaweb Photo, Pikeo, 23
RSS feed: Yahoo! Weather, NMT Forum, Bloglines, Cinecast, MSNBC News, Traffice Condition, Yahoo! Traffic Alerts, Yahoo! News, Weather Bug
Peer-to-peer TV: SayaTV
Internet Radio: Radio box, Live365 Radio
Media files supported
Video containers:
MPEG1/2/4 Elementary (M1V, M2V, M4V)
MPEG1/2 PS (M2P, MPG, DAT, VOB)
MPEG2 Transport Stream (TS, TP, TRP, M2T, M2TS, MTS)
AVI, ASF, WMV
Matroska (MKV)
MOV (H.264), MP4, RMP4
Video decoder:
XVID SD/HD
MPEG-1
MPEG-2 MP@HL
MPEG-4.2 ASP@L5, 720p, 1-point GMC
MPEG-4.10 (H.264)
BP@L3
MP@L4.0
HP@L4.0
HP@L4.1
WMV9
MP@HL
SMPTE 421M (VC-1)
MP@HL
AP@L3
Audio containers:
AAC, M4A
MPEG audio (MP1, MP2, MP3, MPA)
WAV
WMA
FLAC
OGG
Audio decoder:
Dolby Digital
DTS
WMA, WMA Pro
MPEG-1 Layer 1, 2, 3
MPEG-4 AAC-LC
MPEG-4 HE-AAC
MPEG-4 BSAC
LPCM
FLAC
Vorbis
Audio pass-through:
DTS, DTS-HD HR, DTS-HD MA
Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby True HD
Other formats:
ISO, IFO navigation
Rich Object Based Interactive Graphics
AVCHD navigation
Blu-ray ready (requires addition of compatible BD-ROM and at least 1GB USB stick or internal HDD)
Photo formats:
JPEG, BMP, PNG, GIF
Subtitle formats:
SRT, MicroDVD SUB, SSA, SUB/IDX
MPEG1/2/4 Elementary (M1V, M2V, M4V)
MPEG1/2 PS (M2P, MPG, DAT, VOB)
MPEG2 Transport Stream (TS, TP, TRP, M2T, M2TS, MTS)
AVI, ASF, WMV
Matroska (MKV)
MOV (H.264), MP4, RMP4
Video decoder:
XVID SD/HD
MPEG-1
MPEG-2 MP@HL
MPEG-4.2 ASP@L5, 720p, 1-point GMC
MPEG-4.10 (H.264)
BP@L3
MP@L4.0
HP@L4.0
HP@L4.1
WMV9
MP@HL
SMPTE 421M (VC-1)
MP@HL
AP@L3
Audio containers:
AAC, M4A
MPEG audio (MP1, MP2, MP3, MPA)
WAV
WMA
FLAC
OGG
Audio decoder:
Dolby Digital
DTS
WMA, WMA Pro
MPEG-1 Layer 1, 2, 3
MPEG-4 AAC-LC
MPEG-4 HE-AAC
MPEG-4 BSAC
LPCM
FLAC
Vorbis
Audio pass-through:
DTS, DTS-HD HR, DTS-HD MA
Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby True HD
Other formats:
ISO, IFO navigation
Rich Object Based Interactive Graphics
AVCHD navigation
Blu-ray ready (requires addition of compatible BD-ROM and at least 1GB USB stick or internal HDD)
Photo formats:
JPEG, BMP, PNG, GIF
Subtitle formats:
SRT, MicroDVD SUB, SSA, SUB/IDX
DRM
Cardea DRM (WMDRM-ND)
Janus DRM (WMDRM-PD)
Chipset
Sigma Designs SMP8643, 667MHz CPU with floating point coprocessor.
Memory
512MB DDR2 DRAM, 256MB NAND Flash
Audio/Video outputs
HDMI v1.3a with CEC, 36bpp deep color, 12-bit xvYCC processing and HDCP 1.2 content protection
Component Video
S-Video
Composite Video
Stereo Analog Audio
S/PDIF Optical and Coaxial Digital Audio
Other Interface
192x64 dots white text on blue background LCD display, with software adjustable brightness and power off
Power button with standby, reset and full power down
2x USB 2.0 host at the front
2x USB 2.0 host at the back
1x USB 2.0 internal
2x SATA (one occupied by HDD tray)
3.5" HDD tray
Internal mounting for 2.5" HDD
2.4GHz RF Remote Control
Infra-Red Remote Control port (Infra-Red Remote Control optional)
Network
Ethernet 10/100/1000
miniPCI MII interface for 11n WiFi card (optional)
Power
100~240V AC, 50~60 Hz, max 2.5A
typical: 13 W (no additional device installed/attached)
maximum: 70 W
Dimension
Width x Depth x Height : 425mm x 290mm x 80mm (16.73" x 11.42" x 3.14")
Weight
3.7kg (8.3 lbs)
Package Content
Popcorn Hour C-200 (HDD not included)
IEC 60320 C13 power cord
1.5M length HDMI cable
RF Remote Control with 2 "AAA" batteries
Quick start guide
Cardea DRM (WMDRM-ND)
Janus DRM (WMDRM-PD)
Chipset
Sigma Designs SMP8643, 667MHz CPU with floating point coprocessor.
Memory
512MB DDR2 DRAM, 256MB NAND Flash
Audio/Video outputs
HDMI v1.3a with CEC, 36bpp deep color, 12-bit xvYCC processing and HDCP 1.2 content protection
Component Video
S-Video
Composite Video
Stereo Analog Audio
S/PDIF Optical and Coaxial Digital Audio
Other Interface
192x64 dots white text on blue background LCD display, with software adjustable brightness and power off
Power button with standby, reset and full power down
2x USB 2.0 host at the front
2x USB 2.0 host at the back
1x USB 2.0 internal
2x SATA (one occupied by HDD tray)
3.5" HDD tray
Internal mounting for 2.5" HDD
2.4GHz RF Remote Control
Infra-Red Remote Control port (Infra-Red Remote Control optional)
Network
Ethernet 10/100/1000
miniPCI MII interface for 11n WiFi card (optional)
Power
100~240V AC, 50~60 Hz, max 2.5A
typical: 13 W (no additional device installed/attached)
maximum: 70 W
Dimension
Width x Depth x Height : 425mm x 290mm x 80mm (16.73" x 11.42" x 3.14")
Weight
3.7kg (8.3 lbs)
Package Content
Popcorn Hour C-200 (HDD not included)
IEC 60320 C13 power cord
1.5M length HDMI cable
RF Remote Control with 2 "AAA" batteries
Quick start guide



















The C200 will support DivX, I imagine they don't want to pay licensing to use the DivX name or have the device certified.
The A-110/A-100 also doesn't mention DivX support, but it does play and support all variants of the format (including the .divx specific format)
Yeah, I would imagine that if it supports Xvid it should support DivX.
Now thats a media center... Why sony dont just update the PS3 to do this kind of thing? But it seems more plausible that the Popcorn Hour are going to update its device untill it can play next gen games... Sad world...
I have the previous popcorn hour. It's a beast. It doesn't talk with Macs as well as PCs though, so I lose a bit of functionality. But I never intended to to use it to watch Youtube or CNN larry king podcasts or whatever. Torrenting would be nice (it can, but i've yet to put in the effort to really get it up and running). But I've yet to throw something at it that it can't play. Only real drawback is that it weirdly doesn't recognize all external USB drives.
rmvb is always missing, I'll pass
Who still uses rmvb ??
That's what I was thinking! No one uses that!
It doesn't support Indeo video files either, but since it's not 1997 any more, I don't think that will be an issue. Real video has been outmoded for a decade. Stop using it.
Is there anything it can't play/do? May be you can just list those.
Definately wont work: RM, RMVB, SACD, OGM
Might not be implemented: Multi Channel FLAC,
@Mr.GiGs:
seriously.. who uses RM and/or RMVB?
@fairlight
No-one important, h264 > rm/rmvb tbh. But they're always be those 3 or 4 people clinging to their beloved format hoping that someone hears there cries. Course, most of us ditched most every other digital format when h264 came out, so ::Shrug::
MiniDisc?
Betamax?
Laserdisc?
8-track?
45's?
How about at least MJPEG!? You know, that format that almost every digital camera uses?
Maybe it's on the list and I just can't decipher it...
Will it play blu-ray .ISOs?
You rip Blu-ray 720p and 1080p to MKV normally.
good question, i have the a110 and it plays DVD iso's, haven't tried bluray isos. I'd guess it'll play a decrypted ISO before it'll play an encrypted disc...
I don't know if this will trounce my HTPC setup for my projector movie room. the A110 got demoted to my bedroom for a few reasons, occasionally i had issues with certain videos (a few that were remedied by firmware updates, a few that are still there) and of course I needed a blu ray player.. and the web services like youtube were unusably slow...
I like my a110 alot, unfortunately its not the end-all be-all. but its as close to it as i've seen. looking forward to seeing what this box an do
Nevermind the ISO, howabout the main feature (m2ts)?
Any version can play .M2TS bluray backups perfect ... and the A-110 can pass through HD audio .. I have been using the A-100 for years and it plays back all my backups perfect
But .ISO support would be perfect for menus etc
.ISO works fine on the existing PCHs if you use SMB
Wait, it COMES with an HDMI cable? I guess I can skip going to Monster Cable now!
you just saved $100
What a wonderful machine.
Maybe if you knew Hebrew, you would...
The video is from an Israeli website :)
I've been trying to justify upgrading from my WDTV....this may be the box that does it.
Still no Flash support? That was the reason I sold my A110. I figured this one would allow flash, but I guess not. That is a deal breaker for many people ... it means no ability to write plugings for web site support; such as Hulu.
Exactly, if it could stream Hulu and was under $300 I'd order it now
It supports a dozen flash-based websites, so the codec isn't the problem. This won't work with Hulu for the same reason Boxee doesn't - Hulu goes out of their way to block "non-PCs" from accessing their content. There will probably be an unofficial workaround in short order, but these guys can't claim Hulu support without risking some idiotic legal action.
I paid for a PlayOn license - this enables me to stream both HULU & NETFLIX to my PCH
The big question for a lot of users will be, is the SSA support actually working this time around? PopcornHour's previous products claimed to support SSA (the subtitle format used by virtually everyone in the Anime fansub community). In fact, it was a hack that just parsed out the timecodes and text from the file, ignoring any styles, effects, animations, or even multiple lines of text at the same time. So typesetting and placement was messed up (translation under a sign? Forget about it.) and it couldn't display two lines at the same time (translator's notes? Two people talking at the same time? Transcriptions of background dialogue? Forget about it).
In other words, it didn't really work for anything but the most basic text.
Let's hope they fixed that this time around.
I believe this is because of a decoding issue, word is that the next ''major'' firmware will support .sub/.idx, and alot of Anime uses that format. Also SSA is supported on the PCH, just, only really in .ISO's, so technically ...
All hail Popcorn Hour!
Gimme a price and I'll order it in a heartbeat.
$1100
Payable to me of course. I'll see that you get one... promise!
How will it play blu-ray?
By decoding it.
sorry... Far as I can tell it can play Bluray but cannot play encrypted movies. So it would have to be like a bluray ISO or reburned disk I guess.
No no, re read the article. Engadge mention if you put in a BluRay drive, you need at least 1GB of HDD or Flash... so possibly there is something more involved.
You install a Blu-Ray drive and the accompanying software needed. They won't support it natively if you don't have the drive. If they supported natively without the drive, then that means you could be viewing copied discs.
The 1 GB flash drive would be to meet the Profile 2.0 spec. I think it comes down to the licensing fee, if it is included in the price of the unit, that the end user has to pay for it or non-existent (meaning it won't work).
Just pop an IDE or SATA drive inside of the front of the unit..to handle blu-ray dvd...I am guessing you need the usb stick or internal hd to handle the blu-ray software required...
yep, just buy a £50 bluray Sata 5.25" drive and slot it in, would be very nice indeed.
there is a short review with the video in the next link:
http://www.hometheater.co.il/article01524.%D7%A7%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%95-%D7%90%D7%AA-%D7%94-C-200-%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%96%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94
"MPEG-4.2 ASP@L5, 720p, 1-point GMC"
divx is an implemenation of mpeg4 asp.
mpeg4 avc is a different layer of mpeg4 is where h.264 video is used.
so glad we have tech savvy journalists writing our tech articles every day.
They should just do a very compact version of their A110.
Mine is installed out of its casing, on its own motherboard (its very compact, with hdmi / power / ethernet connections and irDA)
I hear case mod in your future!
price?
so, why would this be more attractive than a ~$400 HTPC?
You probably won't build an HTPC that is as quiet and cool temperature wise as the Popcorn Hour. Or as small for that price.
Good question. I want to see what performance/price differentials this will have compared to something like the Revo or the announce EEE Box with the beefy ATI card.
I'm not worried about storage, as I have a Windows Home Server handling all my podcast/video downloads in the background and I just want to avoid the (admittedly somewhat minor) problem of using Transcode 360 to play back some through the 360 extender - which I prefer over the native 360 file browser, though that might be solved by the time DivX 7 and and Windows 7 are released properly.
@nVidiot: take a look at the Acer Revo or the newer EEE Boxes with Radeon cards. Though the EEEs will probably be a couple hundred more than the Popcorn Hour, if they handle Flash properly, they'll be a great option (especially since Boxee gets its public version for Windows out in just a couple of weeks).
Most $400 PCs can't decode 1080p video without dropping frames. And you've got to add-on some sort of wireless remote or mouse, with many of the better controller options costing as much as an entire Popcorn Hour A-100!
no but you can buy one easily......
it's called a Dell studio Hybrid with the Blu Ray drive in it from the Dell Outlet.
I got mine for sub $450.
it plays BR discs perfectly via HDMI with sound (or via Optical if you prefer for the Audio).
not that the popcorn hour is bad, but the DSH isnt a bad option either and much more full featured.
"have a look at the forum posting and let us know if you spot." ...it?
I thought only female dogs in heat "spotted"?
I don't think any female canine's are reading this blog. Maybe I'm wrong.
Your criticism really adds to the discourse. Thank you so much.
This is a blog... all they get paid for is covering devices and device news. Being able to write a properly spelled story with correct grammar and not miss words is their job. Get off your high-horse.
is the menu system any faster than the original popcorn hour? I sold my popcorn hour and replaced it with a real HTPC with an intel E8400 and ATI HD4550 because I wanted a snappier system.
I'm not sure, but the SMP8643 processor is 667MHz, as opposed to the 300MHz SMP8635 in the 110. I would hope that it's snappier. At the same time, if you already have an HTPC setup, it'll probably trump the Popcorn Hour.
where can i buy one ?
Sold! Now, where's the pre-order?
As a previous owner of the A-100 I would say just skip these devices. They may be appealing at first but once you see all the flaws with the software such as subtitle support, crappy user interface, pixelization issues with high bitrate content, lack of selectable video filtering such as various antialiasing or GPU pixel shading, and the list goes on and on.
Just spend the extra couple hundred dollars and do yourself a favor by building a HTPC with Windows or Linux on it and XBMC. That is what I have now and it is a dream, it does all of the stuff above and thousands of additional things like play all my emulator games I want. I can also turn on and off the HTPC with my remote and operate it entirely from my harmony remote using a device like USB-UIRT (USB infrared receiver).
Unless you enjoy the wonderful sound of HD audio (e.g. Dolby TrueHD, DTS Master HD) to go with youre HD image, which the popcorn a110 can pass through.
uhhhh
it's very easy to pass HD audio to a receiver with modern HDMI equipped motherboards.
you don't even need a separate video card to do this anymore.
I ditched my HTPC and went with a PCH+NAS solution for the following reasons:
1) Lack of space
2) Ease of media sharing
3) 24p (Bluray content)
4) Ease of use
1. Lack of space also = no expandability. I can upgrade my HTPC when I want with what components I want.
2. Ease of media sharing - Very easy to share media in windows, much easier then using that damn onscreen keyboard with PCH
3. 24p content - Yep done, I play my bluray movies and h264 high bitrate content on my PC and if I had a Dolby TrueHD capable receiver I can output that audio to the receiver with the system I have built.
4. Ease of use - Ok, you got me there. It took me awhile to get the remote to operate everything, but after that my ease of use is the same as the PCH, infact it's better because I no longer have that mess of a UI that popcorn hour provides.
So I don't see this argument holding up...
1.) I think he/she/it means physical space. Having a set top box is easier than hiding a full system. If you want to get a shuttle box and cram everything in there, your prices start to go up and cooling becomes an issue.
2.) Coupled with a NAS with a good interface it's really simple to do sharing between these devices. Yes it's easy to do this with the HTPC too.
3.) This is actually a win for the Popcorn hour. I don't have a TV with VGA / HDMI port, so connecting an HTPC to my set either means s-video or an extra card to break out to component or RCA. If I am in a small HTPC box already this may not be an option.
4.) You still had to install the OS, set it up, install / test the software you wanted to use (XBMC), set that up, and then could get going. Set Tops are designed to basically be plug and play. I know how to do OS setup, driver setup, etc. I just choose not to do so on my TV.
In the end the HTPC will always be more powerful than a set top box, but for the price and hassle free experience (move file over / play) set top boxes are very attractive!
Word ... I sent this is in early this morning .. no love
can imagine the Flash support to be software related rather than hardware? therefore we might see it on the current A110?
Am I right to think you will need to buy the blu ray drive yourself and you also have the option to buy a SATA HDD to install in an internal drive bay as well?
Are there all region free blu-ray drives available at the moment? So I could play both A and B with this thing and a blu drive, if so I'd get this in an instant. I am finding it increasingly frustrating to have to enter a code on my kogan bluray every time I swith from a to b with my blu collection growing fast.
Hey so I have an old combo Blu-Ray / HD-DVD (future proofing ftw!) drive, so that should work too, correct?!?
2x SATA (one occupied by HDD tray)
3.5" HDD tray
Internal mounting for 2.5" HDD
I don't understand this... is it like the A110 where you can have a standard 3.5" drive internal.
Do you have to to EITHER have a 3.5" OR a BlueRay drive? If so then that is flippen stupid.
Basically I would want one with a 1.5TB Internal 3.5" Drive and a BlueRay Drive... can it do this???
This will Be $299 .. Caught a early Glimpse of the new website
The price is up there on there homepage now at $299. Not a terrible price point.
The slot, or what looks like a slot on the left side of the unit, is that for a SATA drive?
Ahh, after watching the video it looks as if it is for SATA.
No more spending half your life tweaking HTPC.
I wonder how it compares with the TivX M6500?
I have an A-110 and love it. It's not without flaws,but it was a lot cheaper and easier than building my own media centre PC, with the hassles and troubles that can bring. It was easy, plug and play, and throwing an 800g drive in it more than covers my needs.
I'm still with my old Xbox with XBMC, but since I had to change for an HDTV, well..!
So I was about to buy a Dune HD Center ( http://hdi.co.il/index.php?do=players ) that do everything I'm looking for (including ISO Blu-Ray) but since I saw this news the very day I was about to click «Buy», ..well, I'll wait a few weeks.. ..time that some will be able to compare them (image/sound quality, menus, speed, options, codecs, ISO Blu-Ray, ...), then I'll choose.
..Yeah I know it cost a lot more (Dune), and it's 100Mb ethernet only, ..but if it does better the job..! Will probably helps to drop the Dune's prices also since there's a new kid in town (they were almost alone with a Blu-ray solution).
Who knows..
Those of your wanting Hulu support as well as netflix streaming...
http://www.mvixusa.com/ultio/1080p-high-definition-home-theater-pc.html
The Mvix does not support Hulu or Netflix Directly. It does it using a uPNP standalone server running on a PC on your network and streams it to the Mvix/PCH. This is how all these Media Tanks do claim to support Hulu or Netflix, but it is a gimmick to attract a fan base.
Only Boxee (and XBMC through a plugin) natively support Hulu and Netflix. Yes, 360 and some Blu-Ray players natively support Netflix.
I am rooting for the ion platform and ATI's solution too. Go Acer Revo.
"Revealed in a post on the Networked Media Tank forums the C-200 contains... a drive bay for mounting your own HDD, DVD or even Blu-ray drive (requires internal HDD or 1GB USB stick)..."
Well, if this is the case, I will still keep my Mvix Ultio with a built-in 1.5-TB HDD. It is networkable, does MKV and has an inbuilt Bittorrent client. Cool, isn't it?
ION is total crap.
Tegra will be the next gen chipset for mobile HD goodness.
http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html
Cupla questions. The specs on this page list WMV as one of the recognized formats. Because it doesn't specify what codec, does this mean it recognizes all WMV files or just, as is typical, WMV-9? My other question is, I read a review of the A-100 that mentions there is no ability to FFW /RW/ SM/ Freeze-slow. Does the newer version address these issues? My specific application is I have a TON of old video's, Snooker games mostly , that are coded with various wmv codecs. I bought WD's video converter box but it wouldn't recognize any of them. Is Either the A110 or the new C-200 likely to solve this problem?
Thanks fo ryour input.
$299 Starts shipping 08/27 onwards :) ...