Since today really needs a good heap of news to somewhat balance out
yesterday's glut, HP has updated its online store to give it an abundance of new and revised
Windows 7 machines, including the
Envy series (
Beats edition and all), Pavilion
dm3 with AMD Neo or Intel CULV chips,
Core i7-packing dv6t/ dv7t /
dv8t Quad editions, and the not-so-netbook
CQ61. We're still not seeing the
previously-leaked dm1 ultraportable anywhere, but the
Mini 311 and a slightly updated Mini 110 are, with the option to jump from Windows XP to 7 for a cool $50 / $30 respectively. Most everything in the store, desktops and laptops, has been updated to at least include Windows 7 as the standard shipping OS, and while all claim free 2-day shipping, estimated shipping dates begin sometime the week after 7's Oct 22nd launch -- no early chances here, folks. Browse the read links and keep an eye on the shiny red "new" icons (no flashing GIFs, we're afraid) for the entire revised lineup.
Update: As a number of you have pointed, the Envy product page is a bit, well, sloppy. Typos and missing commas notwithstanding, it seems to biggest laugh is the cost of customization, i.e. $800 more to
downgrade from a 500GB HDD to 320GB or 250GB (same price), or $900 more to downgrade from 6GB or 4GB of DDR3 memory. Yeah, it might be best to hold off on that one until HP get the kinks worked out.
[Thanks to everyone who sent this in!]
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posted Oct 18th 2009 1:59PM
i still dont understand how people would WANT to buy a $2000 laptop
Most corporate high end laptops cost this much and more. People buy them, Mac or PC for top build quality and support. See the HP W series for an example. I don't understand why someone would buy a cheap laptop. My laptops are on airplanes, in hotel rooms, and generally anywhere I go. A cheap laptop would fall apart under those conditions in no time.
dang these 2 laptops look nearly identical to MacBook Pros, only that these HPs are more expensive
Dude, that 15 incher can make a slim, good looking, and powerful gaming laptop, there's got to be a compromise somewhere
@justin:
I'm spending $2k on that Envy 15" within the next couple of weeks, mind you.
@ WinMo_is_trash
Nooo, the Envy 13 is more expensive. The Envy 15 is an absolute steal compared to a comparable MacBook Pro.
i7 720QM compares to a C2D T9900 @ 3.06 Ghz
Mobility Radeon 4830 is better than the GeForce 9600M GT
Upgrade both to 8GB of RAM, $100 for the HP, $1000 for the Apple (Yay 4 dimms!) since the HP starts with 6, which the Apple can't.
Your MacBook Pro comes to a total of over $3,000, will that be cash or credit?
Reliability. Having owned two polycarbonate MacBooks (first, a black one, then a MacBook White), I can confirm that despite being well looked after, they were not too reliable. Speedy and versatile yes, but a bit 'creaky'. The black one went back to repair twice, the white one is in the shop now - the whole logic board being replaced to cure relatively minor, but annoying, problems. My theory is that slight twisting of the laptop in day to day use imposes stress on the internal components. On the other hand...
Having recently aquired the latest model UNIBODY MacBook Pro (note emphasis on unibody), the difference is significant. Not only is typing way nicer because the keyboard is rigid, but the whole machine feels solid and doesn't bend slightly when being lifted.
Like the original titanium PowerBook that many are still using after 7 years or so (ours included), spending a bit extra is a worthwhile investment. After all, being without a machine while it is under repair is costly - you have to spend time recovering backup files to a backup laptop or even survive without one for several weeks, while a robust machine may give you several extra reliable years over a lesser quality model. I'm predicting that many MacBook Pro unibody machines will still be working without failure at least 5 years from now, despite being thrust into backpacks almost daily.
Probably the same with these new HP models - that from the screenshot - look just like the new MacBook Pros!
Who would have thought it?
15 inches? What guy wouldn't pay an enormous amount of money for that?
Way more people own them than need them but I have a few friends who do a lot of video editing and like to collaborate at restaurants and cafes etc. Makes taking their work with them and having it run acceptably much more convenient.
Like the $2100 Dell M1330 I purchased with its three motherboard GPU replacements, two DVD burner failures and USB ports that need the battery and power adapter removed every two weeks or it won't recognize anything plugged into it.....Thank God for expensive laptops!
My ASUS W3J cost me a little more than $2000 a few years back with extra RAM and a modular bay battery--and I haven't regretted it one bit. It still smokes most others' in gaming and media tasks despite its age, and besides some minor cosmetic blemishes I haven't had any issues with it. If you get a high-end notebook from a good manufacturer, the performance, style, and reliability can be well worth the extra cost.
they are nothing, compare to this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/26053332@N04/4025240035/sizes/o/
too pricey for envys
Not just the envy's, take a look at the Mini 311 in a specced out configuration with Win 7. Who could have guessed they would be wanting $579 for an Ion netbook with Win 7.... I am so angry with HP.
If you try to customize the Envy 15, it gives you ridiculous prices for different upgrades/downgrades. For instance, $900 to downgrade from 6GB of RAM to 2GB. Quite the bargain....
haha noticed that too..
glitches everywhere
Also, look at the screen, +$800 to downgrade the screen from 1920x1200 to 1366x768
Wow $899 to downgrade from Wifi-N with BT to just Wifi-N. I think someone forgot how to make it so they just don't show up as options or something.
Wow that's a good find. I hope they fix it and deduct $900 for taking the 2GB RAM option. Now that would seriously be quite a bargain.
No no no. you pay $800 to go from 500Gb HDD to 250Gb HDD.
This can mean different things, like, you know, use those other 250Gb for confidential stuff D:
The customise page also has a pixelated Voodoo logo instead of an HP one. When you click on the Voodoo logo, it says the page can't be found. Wow. Just. Wow.
This product is almost a breakthrough for HP considering their usual plastic with flower pattern laptops. I can't believe they f***ed up the website this bad.
bing has 25% cash back now for HP, you gotta go to bing.com and search HP
HP is listed as 5% under the cashback stores, and searching doesn't seem to show anything besides results. What am I missing?
Evan you just convinced me to order one. Hopefully I get all the specs for the prices listed. However, I am fully expecting an email from HP tomorrow saying--"We are very sorry, but the price listed at the time of ordering..."
@ carstairs
Don't check under cashback stores, which only gives 5%.
You need to enter the search term HP on bing.com and the sponsored link will say 25% cashback on HP.
I wasn't planning on purchasing the 15'' envy but since its 25% off ima go ahead and jump on it.
Shows me only 3% :( Am I doing something wrong or has this expired?
Did this end up working for you (i.e. did the order go through with cashback and all)? I was all set to make the purchase but I just couldn't pull the trigger based on the numerous upgrade/downgrade issues on the site. I'm ultra-bummed that the 25% off deal is completely gone now tho -- there goes my dream lappy.
someone needs a hug...or a woman
Buy a Mac
The Envy's trackpad doesn't work. It has shoddy build quality. Costs more than a MBP.
The 15 is grossly overpriced, has poor buil;d quality.
HP is locked in a battle with thousands of people who have bought their i7 desktop machines and have suffered through crash after crash. HP has no explanation and has done nothing to satisfy the complaints.
HP consumer PC support is one of the worst in the industry.
Mac book Air fits in the same category. However, it is a mac and you can't say anything bad about macs or steve jobs will ex communicate you!
In Soviet Russia...
Anyway, no, the MacBook Air is in the ultra-portable category. These two HPs don't fit in that category; they look more like corporate laptops. I'm still liking the MacBook Pros though, they have better quality, they're hundreds of dollars cheaper and have pretty good customer support.
Crash after crash with core i7? What the fuck are you talking about?
The Envy 15 isn't grossly overpriced, the Core i7 720QM easily compares to the 3.06 Ghz C2D in the highest end 15" MacBook Pro, and you can upgrade your RAM for far cheaper, and you start with more RAM. To even the RAM out, it's $100 for the HP, $1000 for the Apple.
Plus the Mobility Radeon 4830 kills the GeForce 9600M GT.
Anybody else notice that the article about Best Buy having bogus/biased HDTV demos in their stores was removed? What the heck! An explanation would be nice engadget. Removing a controversial story like that can reflect very badly on you. BTW if your intel was flawed or something and the story was wrong, than you should have updated us on the truth, not removed all evidence of it...
At first I thought you were lying, but then a quick google search turned up:
http://hdtv.biz-news.com/news/en_US/2009/10/18/0001/best-buy-fires-up-hdtv-scam-of-its-own-uses-composite-on-uncalibrated-set
which is a mirror of the Engadget article that used to be here...
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/18/best-buy-fires-up-hdtv-scam-of-its-own-uses-composite-on-uncal/
That story is so old... move on with your lives.
looks like a MacBook Pro for TWICE the price and all the problems of windows.
Install Ubuntu on it. Also, Windows 7 looks to be quite good.
It's an unwritten law that anyone quoting roughly drafted as a serious source automatically loses the argument.
Sorry. I don't make the rules.
now now... when apple released their "new" style for keybaords, did we see these kinds of rants? because i'm pretty sure the 'chiclet' styled keys are by SONY, NOT apple.
personally i like hp, and im planning to buy a nice hp laptop for college, but yeah, the envy did a pretty good job at copying the MBP. get over it. apparently apple fanboys didnt realize AT ALL that their 'revolutionary keyboards' were just another rip in this stupid world.
Also HP desktops and consumer laptops use very cheap, low quality internal components that vary according to what is cheapest that week form some shit hole in China. So good luck with that.
From looking at your past posts, I don't think you're sucking Apples dick hard enough. Your posts need a bit more ignorant fanboyism.
Every company like HP, Dell, and Acer use the cheapest possible OEM parts. Did I mention Apple? Yeah, don't think for a second they use the highest quality parts possible. You're paying for a brand name, OS, and aesthetics, not quality internal parts. If you want a computer with high quality internals, build it yourself or pay twice as much to have it custom built by a company like Falcon Northwest.
@ avengeryarr
Those 3 links I just posted go for you too. And yeah, Apple uses high quality parts.
Really? $20 says they use the same shitty Chinese manufacturer that 90% of other companies use. Stop being so moronic you cocksucking troll.
at win_mo_is_trash
those links do not show that apple use support parts. those are nothing more than consumer reviews which are pretty much rating the os (because there rating user experience and the OS is what people interact with most). apple DOES you the same parts as every other OEM. there was once a time when apple did all there own stuff but not anymore they buy parts from asia and put it all together here. the only difference between macs and window's pc's are the OS nothing more.
And also if you'll check the consumer reports rating, they usually compare $2000 Apples to $1000 Dells & HPs.
@ avengeryarr, jay jay
Apple does engineer its own motherboards and certain chipsets. Though Apple never built their own CPUs, they used Motorola's, then IBM's and now Intel's. Same goes for HDDs, RAM, disc drives and screens. Here is a history lesson so you can learn about Apple's long history in chip design:
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/28/how-apples-pa-semi-acquisition-fits-into-its-chip-history/
As for the rest of non-Apple designed chips:
The difference is how Apple picks components and which ones they choose out of the pool from where all the other manufacturers are also picking theirs. In that respect Apple has tighter quality controls because Apple needs to engineer the parts to tightly integrate them with OS X. The Mac experience is far more than just the software or the hardware by themselves and that's why you see such high customer satisfaction ratings.
Everyone, why would you want manufacturers to use the most expensive parts? That would mean less profit for them, higher prices for you. Thats not very good capitalism if you ask me.
Pay more for a MBP wannabe ?? That makes a lot of sense HP.
Core i7 and ATI Radeon 4830 1GB are more like a super upgrade over a MBP not a wannabe.Maybe it looks like an MBP but its in a totally different league in performance.If you wanna discuss looks,go to a fashion site.
BTW, I guess Envy is more of a gaming laptop so i doubt it if anyone will use the trackpad to play games.
The Envy 15 pricing looks pretty excellent. However, I think there's something pretty wrong with the configurations. Does that thing really have 4 slots for ram? That would be the first laptop I know of to have that -- not even Alienware desktop replacements go for 4 slots. Then again, this is the new i7 platform, so maybe the chipset supports it now.
Then again, I just noticed -- the Envy 15 doesn't have a DVD drive?!
It definitely seems to be more power for the buck than the 15" MBP but there are some significant trade-offs.
The Envy 13 on the other hand seems like a complete waste of money. The 13" MBP blows it away in price/performance.
I'd definitely think about the 15" Envy for my next laptop if Apple doesn't switch to i7 soon... that is if they ever fix the buggy trackpad issues.
Hi Timb, the Envy 15 has four ram slots, but does not have a optical drive. There is a lot of chatter on the Apple rumor forums about all new desktops and laptops due out this week or next. Seems like a lot of interesting machines coming out. I have been waiting forever for an affordable quad core laptop.
Very interesting! I'm not really sure that I'd prefer 4 slots of RAM over an optical drive in a 15", but it's cool that they're trying something new/innovative here.
Think of it this way... $100 for 8GB (4x2GB) of DDR3 ram, or spend $500-$800 for 8GB (2x4GB) of DDR3 ram. Makes it an affordable way to get a lot of ram. I can take the several hundred dollars I saved on the ram, and get and external DVD drive for about $70.
The dv6t with the Core i7 Mobile looks very tempting for the price. Too bad the resolution is only 1366x768 with no option of a higher resolution monitor. :(
How does the 1GB Nvidia GeForce GT 230M compare to the 512MB3 ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4570? For me, it's likely going to be between the Dell Studio 15 (w/ Core i7) or the HP DV6T Quad (w/ Core i7).
Google is your friend.
My god, the apple zombies are out feeding or something.
When your 13" Macbook weighs 3.68 lbs, then you can come and talk.
The 15" and 17" envy seem pretty useless, but the 13" actually seems like a good machine: Light weight, good battery life, good hi-res screen options, and discrete graphics. If they keep the build quality high, the Envy 13 seems like one hell of a contender for the likes of the X200 and 13" Sony Vai's.
its not a mac , windows machines requires better specs to run w7 properly
we all seen the mac osx works better than w7, mac osx have more power is faster and dont need to be desframent , so works faster.
and that trackpad in hp is a complete usless.
why do these look like macbooks ?
Cuz that's what she said.
Because They don't. They just Look Exactly like Macbook Pros.
Call me a Applehead but no one can deny that ever other company is copying some aspect apple has pioneered on. Touch screens were not something new, yes, however, after their success with the iPhone everyone has been trying to do the same. Same goes for their computers apparently.
@paddyireland
How high are you and what are you high on? Looks like you're having quite the time.
$1800 for a hp , another complete waste from hp , no one will buy it
i prefer a macbook pro 10x more.
I'd much rather have a 5.5 lb professional looking laptop with hardware to match it up with the professional looks.
For $3299, Apple would give me a 15" Macbook Pro with an antiquated 2.8 GHZ dual core CPU, maxed out at 8GB DDR3 memory, and a 512MB antiquated nVidia 9600M video at 5.5 lbs...
** OR ***
For $3099, HP would give me a similar professional laptop with an Intel Core i7 Mobile 820QM quad core CPU, maxed out at 16GB DDR3 memory, and a high end 1GB ATI 4830 video card, at 5.19 lbs. I could downgrade the CPU to the 720QM, which would turbo boost to the same speed as the above Apple and save $400, and have the HP laptop for $2699.
HP is lighter, significantly faster, double the processing cores, significantly better video with double the video memory, and double the memory for up to 16GB of ram.
I think HP has this one in the bag, well until Apple refreshes their Macbook Pro line.
I meant to say:
"I much rather have a 5.19 lb professional laptop..."
Here's what you windows fanboys don't realize. There are 50 different Windows manufacturers, all with different product cycles, so there are always new products coming out. For OSX there is only 1 manufacturer with 1 product cycle so of course at the end of that cycle there will be windows products out there with better specs. Commenting on this just makes you look completely ignorant to technology.
Wait till the next 2 weeks and the new MBP will blow these copycats away.
@ Mike
Here is the fatal flaw with the point you are trying to make: these HP laptops come with Windows.
There is no point in buying a bag of problems when you could spend your money in something that actually works, like a MacBook Pro with OS X. Now, if these HPs came loaded with Ubuntu or another distro then HP would at least be justified in charging those prices. Because, it doesn't matter much if you buy a laptop built like a hot rod when the OS behind the wheel is like a frail, half-blind 80-year old grandma.
so if when "PC Makers" try to imitate a Mac it ends up costing more and not being as good it makes you wonder: are they really overpriced?
If you've ever built a PC in your life you could build two similarly "speced" machines with processor & HD space however if you end up wanting high speed HDD, good mobo & chasis then you are going to pay. People pay for bullet items: HDD space, clock speed and monitor size. Think back to the days of the Celeron.
I'm confused as to what the purpose of your post is. Yeah, it's more expensive than a MBP. How many laptops does Apple offer with a quad core CPU? Oh right, none. Then add in the cost of putting in a decent discrete graphics option, not the shitty 9600M. Stop comparing price when these laptops have more than the Macbook Pro's.
HP Envy 15 Beats Edition is just an expensive bucket of stupid. All they did was paint it, add an accessory or two, add a minuscule tweak or two, get a rapper's endorsement, and add $500+ to the price over a regular Envy 15.
Welcome to American society.
the i7 cost $500, that why is overpriced.
i have nothing against w7 , people have the right to buy what they want, but it fells good, just drag and drop to desistall any program on a mac.
goodsense - The standard Envy 15 and the Beats edition use the same exact Core i7 Mobile CPU, but the Beats edition costs $500 with virtually identical hardware, just because of some very minor tweaks and a rapper's endorsement.
Fine, you caught me... Im an Apple Fanboy! And HP SUCKS! :D
oh. i thought you were just completely wrecked.
same thing i guess.
*sigh*
engadget commenting system....
oh. i thought you were just completely wrecked.
same thing i guess.
I love how they omitted an optical drive. Seriously, who wants that crap. (I'd rather buy an external one for dirt cheap and use it that rare one time a decade that I need it.) This thing looks fricken sweet, but is it worth that much more than a 13" Macbook Pro? I doubt it, especially considering that it's 4-cell battery is probably crap.
Core i7 is dope, as is the standalone ATI graphics that can be switched off in favor of the more battery-friendly integrated crap. I also like the manufacturing process they use, which is greener than Apple's for their unibody line. I dig it! (But can't afford it.)
the envy in 1 year from now will cost half of the lauch price, if you need to upgrade to a new model , you lose $900
in a mac you lose less $
"Typos and missing commas notwithstanding, it seems to biggest laugh is the cost of customization"
If you make a grammatical mistake in a sentence describing another persons mistake doesn't it open some sort of time vortex?
Wait, that cat just walked by twice!
Paddy stop giving us Irish a bad name.
woaaaa L@@K at the price tag! I though macbook pro is already expensive at $999 lol
It's sad how the i7 Pavilion lineup maxes out with a GT230M... I want to at least see an option to upgrade to GT250M or better in the 17.3" and 18.4" models.
i am a windows user, but frankly speaking, envy 13" does not impress me as compared to MBP 13". sure, envy is lighter but at the cost of eliminating DVD drive. if you have ever read the review for envy touchpad, you know it's not made for you and we all know about MBP's touchpad. envy is more expensive (although price will come down by huge coupon discount from HP) and its battery life may not be as great as you find in MBP.
I love the multitouch "button-less" glass trackpad of the MBP and how it integrates with the built-in windowing functions of OS X. It's probably the most configurable trackpad ever.
I have to agree, for me its all about MBP trackpads.
Also, my battery lasts for 6 hours light browsing, documents and music listening, which is very nice.
Just came back from my local best buy. They just stepped up the Envy13 and 15. Really like the 13, would like it better if it didnt had the champagne color. Black would have been perfect.
This just looks like a Aluminum MacBook Rip off..
don't be fool by how nice it look! HP epic Fail me.
Intel Wireless-N Mini-card +$949.99
ok
i didnt see this comin
seriously its ridiculous...
I was waiting for the dm1. =/
Will Macbook Pro with its intuitive OS run games better or encode/decode media faster than a laptop with a vastly superior processor and GPU??
Envy series is a continuation of the Voodoo brand of laptops which targets gaming/media enthusiasts not business users.
MBP is better than the competing HP Probook anyday but this is'nt an article about the Probook so please stop trolling.
Intuitive OS my ass. Apple hides features to make it simple for users. For anyone else who isn't an 1diot it simply puts you at odds with the fracking OS. Putting the equivalent of the power button for the CD player in your car under the seat because it might make the dash too busy isn't intuitive its catering to 1diot. Windows on the other hand has everything there. You might need to look for it a bit, but you don't need to guess that ctrl-T toggles something like the graphics equalizer or something. I had this problem on day one of using iTunes years ago. They hid a shit load of feature or you had to click on a specific location in the GUI to say collapse down a window, while other parts were available via the menu.
The only people who say Apple's GUI is intuitive are those who have been using it for a long time. I was on OS X Tiger\Leopard for 3 years and holy shit that first 6 months sucked.
At work I use a Lenovo T61 (Win XP) and a MacBook Pro (Snow Leopard and Win7 Boot Camp) and I find the Mac OS X very awkward to use.
I loved how one app for the Mac OS X (Seapine's Test Track Pro) took more than the entire desktop at first launch. I wanted to resize the window so it is smaller than its maximized size, but I couldn't since the bottom right area that is used for window resizing is off the screen. I couldn't even resize it by dragging from any of the visible edges of the window (like you can do in MS Windows). Intuitive OS my ass.
@Sparticus, I thought you were Greek.
Someone needs to be beaten to death for putting a 1600 x 900 res on a 17" screen or for putting such a shit GPU on an 18" screen. Can ANYONE! ANYONE at all put a decent GPU and res on these systems!?! There are people out there that are willing to spend a little more for such systems.
Intuitive OS my ass. Apple hides features to make it simple for users. For anyone else who isn't an idiot it simply puts you at odds with the fracking OS. Putting the equivalent of the power button for the CD player in your car under the seat because it might make the dash too busy isn't intuitive its catering to idiot. Windows on the other hand hasd everything there. You might need to look for it a bit, but you don't need to guess that ctrl-T toggles something like the graphics equalizer or something. I had this problem on day one of using iTunes years ago. They hid a shit load of feature or you had to click on a specific location in the GUI to say collapse down a window, while other parts were available via the menu.
The only people who say Apple's GUI is intuitive are those who have been using it for a long time. I was on OS X Tiger\Leopard for 3 years and holy shit that first 6 months sucked.
Dear engadget. Frack your damn comment system.