Canon EOS 7D impressions for filmmaker wannabes
Chad Mumm is our video producer at Engadget, doing work on The Engadget Show and filming shorter-form stuff when we need it. He recently acquired the 7D for personal and work use, and we asked him to put together some thoughts on the camera in terms of using it primarily for video. You can check out our traditional review roundup for the 7D here.
These times are strange. Five years ago if you walked onto the set of a movie, TV show, or music video -- before you got kicked out by a strung out production assistant -- you'd have probably seen a bustling group of workers huddled around a giant camera changing out huge spools with Kodak or Fujifilm logos on them. The RED ONE camera shook up the industry when it was released two years ago and those cans of film were replaced with hard-drives and digital technicians. Now, we're in the midst of another monumental camera shift, and it's not the 3D revolution that everyone predicted. Nope, in 2009 we make our movies on DSLRs. Just how good are they? Well, the recently released Canon EOS 7D may just be the new Engadget workhorse. Read on for the inside scoop on our ridiculously cinematic new rig.
A little more than a year ago Canon dropped the EOS 5D Mark II, which recorded real 1080p video using its 35mm, full-frame sensor. One of the advantages of big sensors is much greater control of depth-of-field, and the 5D enabled anybody with a few thousand dollars to burn to approximate the look of 70mm movie film straight out of the box. Indie filmmakers everywhere began posting gloriously blurry test films of their friends on Vimeo and industry pros took notice. Now, Canon's newest HDSLR offering, the EOS 7d, takes the concept and runs with it, in surprising and sometimes frustrating ways.
You can buy a new 7D (body only) for $1800. That's more than $1000 less than the 5D. We shilled out around three grand for ours with some quality glass (the EOS EF-s 17-55mm f2.8 lens, in case you were wondering). Besides a smaller form-factor than the 5D Mark II, the 7d has a new control layout that makes video shooting quicker and easier, including a dedicated movie-mode switch and a recording start/stop button. Like you'd expect from a high-end device, the build quality is excellent and the camera feels solid in your hand. The LCD is crisp and bright and the camera adds a few new features like a pitch and roll level meter and a nineteen point autofocus.
The 7D has an APS-C cropped frame sensor, which is actually closer to Super 35mm movie film and/or RED's sensor than the full-frame of the 5D Mark II. This means that you can't get quite the same level of shallow depth of field as the 5D, but trust us, you won't have any problem getting backgrounds to go all creamy, especially with some fast glass in front of the camera. One thing to note, full-frame 35mm lenses will have a crop factor of 1.6 on the 7d. This is true of all cropped-frame cameras and it results in that 18mm wide angle lens behaving like a 30mm lens (take your 35mm lens length and multiply it by 1.6 for its equivalent cropped-frame length).
One of the biggest drawbacks of the 5D Mark II was its 30 frames per second video framerate. Movies are shot at 24 frames per second and those six frames make a huge difference in terms of the film-ness of a piece of video footage. With the 7D, Canon is offering a choice of multiple framerates for video recording for the first time. You can now record at 23.98 fps, 29.97 fps, or 59.98 fps. The 59.98 recording mode downscales the video to 720p, but it's great for an "overcranked" slow-motion effect when conformed back to 23.98 on your computer. Get ready for a rash of Wes Anderson-style, slo-mo montages of people entering and exiting cars and buildings. Of course, all this flexibility is par for the course in modern broadcast cameras, but it seems that Canon is learning as it goes instead of simply looking at the requirements of professional video shooters. Case in point, after 5D Mark II adopters cried foul, Canon announced a firmware update to bring these additional framerates to the 5D sometime next year, which begs the obvious question of why they weren't included in the first place?
Another troubling omission on Canon's part is the audio recording capabilities on the 7D. Aside from the limitations of a small onboard microphone and a 1/8-inch microphone input, the camera has automatic gain control (AGC), which adjusts the volume of the audio signal inside the camera. The problem? It's impossible to disable. If the point of an SLR is to give the user full control over the tiniest details of their camera setup, then there is absolutely no reason why this crucial function should be left to the camera's discretion. Great video quality is nothing without great audio and in the production world, omitting manual controls for audio is akin to creating an SLR that won't let you manually adjust the iris. It's that bad. "Sure," you'll say, "the 7D is above-all a stills camera ," but if Canon went to the trouble of giving its video users the framerates they've been asking for, why not correct the audio recording issue? The 5D had the exact same problem and it's been talked about (and hacked to work better) since the camera first hit the streets.
Fortunately for the 7D, the footage just looks too damn good to not find a workaround. Enter the Zoom H4N. This $300, battery-powered audio recorder can record four independent channels of 24-bit audio to an SD card, including a two-channel stereo mix from its built in dual-microphone. Two 48v phantom-powered XLR inputs gives you professional connectivity for your lavelier or shotgun mics and the headphone output allows you to send the mixed signal back to the 7D as a reference to be recorded along with the video. When you get the project into your editing computer, just import the externally recorded audio, sync it up with your reference audio and enjoy the pristine sound you could never get with the 16-bit recording on your $5,500 Panasonic HVX-200 or your $8,320 Sony EX-3.
We put together some videos demonstrating the camera rig, both with and without the Zoom recorder. Take a look.
Oh, and in case you were wondering, the 7D does stills too. At 18 megapixels, it has plenty of resolution for cropping your pictures into oblivion, and the 19-point autofocus is a big step-up from the previous generations. The camera can burn through 8 shots every second, which, when coupled with the cropped-frame sensor makes the 7D perfect for shooting action stills.
From our initial experience using the camera, we found it very easy to go from shooting stills to shooting glorious 1080p movies. Even during dedicated photo shooting, it's hard not to be inspired to flip the switch and roll some 24p video. We also found ourselves using the live-view mode to eyeball exposure for stills much more than we had on previous live-view enabled cameras; perhaps this was a carryover from all the video shooting.
One of the major downsides to the 7D is the 12 minute recording limit for video. That's not a lot of time, especially if you're interviewing somebody on camera and you don't want to break up the flow with constant stopping and starting. This is actually a limitation of the FAT32 formatting of the flash memory that even plagues P2 cameras like the Panasonic HVX-200, although the HVX gets around this problem by automatically creating a new clip at the 12 minute mark and combining them together when the recording is stopped. That said, we noticed the camera getting very warm (dare we say hot?) during recording durations longer than 4-5 minutes in an air-conditioned room, and we're a little worried about how hot the camera would get outside in the sun on a hot summer day during longer recording. With all that processing in such a small body, the heat isn't exactly surprising -- we've known the RED ONE camera to get extremely hot during long takes -- but it is something to keep an eye on.
Lastly, it's almost impossible to use the camera for "run and gun," documentary-style shooting without some sort of after-market stabilizing device, like a shoulder-mount or brace. The camera is just too difficult to balance, especially when you add accessories and big lenses, plus you have to be constantly adjusting focus. It's a good way to wear out your arms. That said, try using a RED ONE (or any cinema camera, for that matter) without a shoulder-mount -- it's not gonna happen. These devices are built for imaging and there will always be a tradeoff with ergonomics.
So, is this our new video camera? We like to think of the 7D as another very specific tool in our arsenal. Will we be shooting segments for The Engadget Show on it? Yes, but there is a time and a place for this camera. If we're running around shooting a mile-a-minute, we're still going to reach for our trusty HD camcorder. But if we have a moment to breathe in between takes, you can bet the 7D will be the go-to camera. It's easy to get caught up in the beautiful images from this camera, but like with all recording, it's merely a tool to help tell a story.
These times are strange. Five years ago if you walked onto the set of a movie, TV show, or music video -- before you got kicked out by a strung out production assistant -- you'd have probably seen a bustling group of workers huddled around a giant camera changing out huge spools with Kodak or Fujifilm logos on them. The RED ONE camera shook up the industry when it was released two years ago and those cans of film were replaced with hard-drives and digital technicians. Now, we're in the midst of another monumental camera shift, and it's not the 3D revolution that everyone predicted. Nope, in 2009 we make our movies on DSLRs. Just how good are they? Well, the recently released Canon EOS 7D may just be the new Engadget workhorse. Read on for the inside scoop on our ridiculously cinematic new rig.
Backstory
A little more than a year ago Canon dropped the EOS 5D Mark II, which recorded real 1080p video using its 35mm, full-frame sensor. One of the advantages of big sensors is much greater control of depth-of-field, and the 5D enabled anybody with a few thousand dollars to burn to approximate the look of 70mm movie film straight out of the box. Indie filmmakers everywhere began posting gloriously blurry test films of their friends on Vimeo and industry pros took notice. Now, Canon's newest HDSLR offering, the EOS 7d, takes the concept and runs with it, in surprising and sometimes frustrating ways.
Build quality

Sensor info (camera nerd alert)
The 7D has an APS-C cropped frame sensor, which is actually closer to Super 35mm movie film and/or RED's sensor than the full-frame of the 5D Mark II. This means that you can't get quite the same level of shallow depth of field as the 5D, but trust us, you won't have any problem getting backgrounds to go all creamy, especially with some fast glass in front of the camera. One thing to note, full-frame 35mm lenses will have a crop factor of 1.6 on the 7d. This is true of all cropped-frame cameras and it results in that 18mm wide angle lens behaving like a 30mm lens (take your 35mm lens length and multiply it by 1.6 for its equivalent cropped-frame length).
Video capabilities

Another troubling omission on Canon's part is the audio recording capabilities on the 7D. Aside from the limitations of a small onboard microphone and a 1/8-inch microphone input, the camera has automatic gain control (AGC), which adjusts the volume of the audio signal inside the camera. The problem? It's impossible to disable. If the point of an SLR is to give the user full control over the tiniest details of their camera setup, then there is absolutely no reason why this crucial function should be left to the camera's discretion. Great video quality is nothing without great audio and in the production world, omitting manual controls for audio is akin to creating an SLR that won't let you manually adjust the iris. It's that bad. "Sure," you'll say, "the 7D is above-all a stills camera ," but if Canon went to the trouble of giving its video users the framerates they've been asking for, why not correct the audio recording issue? The 5D had the exact same problem and it's been talked about (and hacked to work better) since the camera first hit the streets.

We put together some videos demonstrating the camera rig, both with and without the Zoom recorder. Take a look.
Oh, and in case you were wondering, the 7D does stills too. At 18 megapixels, it has plenty of resolution for cropping your pictures into oblivion, and the 19-point autofocus is a big step-up from the previous generations. The camera can burn through 8 shots every second, which, when coupled with the cropped-frame sensor makes the 7D perfect for shooting action stills.
In action
From our initial experience using the camera, we found it very easy to go from shooting stills to shooting glorious 1080p movies. Even during dedicated photo shooting, it's hard not to be inspired to flip the switch and roll some 24p video. We also found ourselves using the live-view mode to eyeball exposure for stills much more than we had on previous live-view enabled cameras; perhaps this was a carryover from all the video shooting.
One of the major downsides to the 7D is the 12 minute recording limit for video. That's not a lot of time, especially if you're interviewing somebody on camera and you don't want to break up the flow with constant stopping and starting. This is actually a limitation of the FAT32 formatting of the flash memory that even plagues P2 cameras like the Panasonic HVX-200, although the HVX gets around this problem by automatically creating a new clip at the 12 minute mark and combining them together when the recording is stopped. That said, we noticed the camera getting very warm (dare we say hot?) during recording durations longer than 4-5 minutes in an air-conditioned room, and we're a little worried about how hot the camera would get outside in the sun on a hot summer day during longer recording. With all that processing in such a small body, the heat isn't exactly surprising -- we've known the RED ONE camera to get extremely hot during long takes -- but it is something to keep an eye on.

So, is this our new video camera? We like to think of the 7D as another very specific tool in our arsenal. Will we be shooting segments for The Engadget Show on it? Yes, but there is a time and a place for this camera. If we're running around shooting a mile-a-minute, we're still going to reach for our trusty HD camcorder. But if we have a moment to breathe in between takes, you can bet the 7D will be the go-to camera. It's easy to get caught up in the beautiful images from this camera, but like with all recording, it's merely a tool to help tell a story.



























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die.
No you're not.
DIAF.
I'm sorry to interrupt you Canon, and I'ma let you finish but Nikon made one of the greatest cameras of ALL TIME!
Joe, I'm really happy for you, and imma let you finish, but Kanye made the best diss of ALL TIME.
Lets not be blinded fanboys. Both Canon and Nikon have excellent cameras, just choose the one that better suits you and be happy.
Why did you downrank him, he was making a joke, did no one get it.
Boostjunkie-
everyone gets it just as much now as they did the 50th time they heard it
Nice. I mean really nice!
That added a lot.
Oh, so Chad is the one responsible for the almost pitch-black stage at the last Engadget show? I was there in the audience and could barely see Ballmer's shiny head. More light next time, Chad!
Engadget uses amazing cameras for taking pics :)
and a cute lil' tripod!
Whether it is Canon or Nikon, Microsoft or Mac or Ubuntu, Droid or iPhone, it doesnt matter. Matter is how you are using them and for what you are using them. :D
Except for Mac or iphone and their fanbois.
Can we just copy that and paste it into the middle of every fan boy war? Hat tip to you iJay.
"Lastly, it's almost impossible to use the camera for "run and gun," ...without some sort of after-market stabilizing device, like a shoulder-mount or brace."
What about an IS lens?
Chad, have you tried?
He's talking about balance, not shake. SLRs are very front heavy and the grips are totally different from the type of video camera used for the type of filming he's talking about.
The 17-55 f/2.8 is an IS lens, also has the USM motor. Look it up.
I just recently shot a short film with the 7D and the H4N and Boom Mic in a 24hour project. The camera is awesome to work with as I was able to swap out different lenses when needed and the quality is fantastic. The sound on the other hand, even with a Boom Mic hooked up directly to the camera was awful. The H4N did a much superior job. It is definitely not advisable to use for Hand held shooting as IS on the lens will not help at all. You will have too much noticeable shake and the IS will not compensate. IS works better when the subject matter is not moving as it can confuse the AI and shift even though the camera is not shifting. Mounting is definitely the way to go.
The rolling shutter of the camera is also a big reason to avoid a hand held approach with this camera.
"IS works better when the subject matter is not moving as it can confuse the AI and shift even though the camera is not shifting."
Nope. The IS is based on gyroscopes, not the image content of the scene.
Gyroscopes no. Axis-specific motion detectors yes.
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Thank you so much!
I am looking at getting the 7D and this definitely summed up the Video reviews I've read and given me more.
Chad's sexy
Please be weird elsewhere.
I wish I had the money to put into a new camera....
I'm still using a Pentax 100d super with old school 50mm f/2
It's all you need, really.
Check the video I did testing the camera for the first time with the Nike SB team in Spain.
First shots filmed with the MKE400 (Seinheisser)
http://www.vimeo.com/7420992
So Chad, what do you use as your "trusty HD camcorder" then?
@InfinityPlusOne My go-to camera du jour is the Panasonic HMC-150. It's like a smaller, lighter version of the HVX-200 that records to SD cards... and I actually think it looks better.
Everything I read about the 7D makes me want one more.
Now I also have to have that audio recording module. The two XLR inputs are an AMAZING feature and for only $300 its a no-brainer.
Thanks for this very interesting review of the video mode of 7D. Thats basically what I was thinking about the kind of set-up you cam make with a camera like this. Sure, its has some cons but globally, I really think that video DSLR will be the new way to make shorts soon. I used to study in the cinema field and all the set-up with real camera video is not necessarily better or easier. Using an external sound rec device and a good shoulder mount or tripod can replace any semi-pro video camera, considering the amazing field of depth that gives you (something semi-pro cams don't without expensive video only lens).
But one thing it really interest me is what you said about the 5D. "Canon announced a firmware update to bring these additional framerates to the 5D sometime next year". I think that could be THE thing that would change people's mind on buying the 7D. I'll be probably one of them if it happens.
Great post! Ive been looking at the 7D as a video solution for quite some time but the 12min video limit is keeping me from pulling the trigger. Could you create a post about your work-flow with the 7D? I would be interested to hear how much post-production you guys have to do with this setup and how much time it takes for each vid. Thanks, Keep up the good work!
When was the last time you saw a 12 minute continuous shot? That limitation is there because of the file system, and you will probably never notice it.
If you're wanting to create a multi-cam set up of, say, a play, you'll want multiple cameras covering all the action. You can take your raw footage, and cut between the different sources in editing. That doesn't work if the camera stops recording after twelve minutes, unless you can get everyone to take a really long breath on the dot...
Otherwise, this camera looks fantastic.
Undoubtedly the external sound set-up is the way to go for the best quality and for multiple channels. I did a lot of experimenting with direct sound solutions in to my 5D2 and found the best solution by a country mile for on board recording was:
Rode VideoMic (NOT the Stereo version) straight in to the camera with Magic lantern Firmware with the auto gain switched off. This sound was almost as good as running the same mic into an external pre-amp - the juicedlink CX211 then directly into the 5D2. I know the Magic Lantern Firmware isn't available for the 7D yet - but it will be soon, no doubt.
In the mean time IMO, if you're looking for a relatively cheap and easy solution with good sound (not great, thanks to that awful Auto Gain Control) go for the Rode VideoMic. I also really recommend the Juicedlink range of pre-amps if you fancy going that way instead of the Zoom H4n.
+1 to this.
I'm also using a Rode Videomic straight into my 5D with AGC off using Magic Lantern. It's first class quality and removes the need for re-syncing audio in post production.
As long as it can preserve the excessive and unnecessarily-shallow depth of field that is the hallmark of engadget visuals, then it should do the job nicely.
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Why look at more than 2mm of any given gadget at one time, Chief?
This may be one of the best reviews of this video this camera shoots because it actually notes the limitations of what this camera can actually do. It's not a HD camcorder replacement by any stretch. The depth of field from the 35mm lenses is beautiful, but there are some severe trade offs to using this for professional video - even against a consumer grade Canon HV30.
The 7D video is nice, but there is one troubling issue about it that I don't see being discussed much at all. Nearly all reviews of this camera are based around web video. Perhaps that's for good reason because the H.264 compression in this camera is definitely noticeable elsewhere. Looking at the footage the 7D shoots on a professional HD video monitor we use with the SONY F900s at the post house I work for, and the quality hit is very apparent and very troubling. I cannot really see how anyone plans to shoot on this camera and perform a film blow up. The pixelation will be sorely disappointing to people who expect it to look as good as it does on a computer monitor.
I shot some 1080p footage last week with the kit lens and it actually looked really good on our HD monitors. The other camera we use in-house is a HVX200 and I can tell you that after shooting with the 7D, I don't ever want to touch the 200 again...at least for visually-driven stuff.
Do you really think all these companies that share technology are going to make a relatively cheap device that could cannibalize the market of a much, much more expensive device? There's no accident the codec is what it is... If the camera is capable of shooting 8 FPS at 18 megapixels, it's not a stretch to imagine it could easily handle a 2 megapixel frame at 24 FPS and a much higher quality codec, or even some form of RAW. Were Canon a completely boutique company, it would have happened already, and probably will when the market catches up
What kind of film blow up are you talking about though?
SNL uses the 5d II and 7d on some of their clips
in the first picture...is there a gap in the "big wheel." it looks like theres a lot of light coming through.
"One thing to note, full-frame 35mm lenses will have a crop factor of 1.6 on the 7d."
The REAL thing to note is that ALL lenses will have a crop factor of 1.6, not just "full-frame 35mm lenses" (by which I think you mean EF mount lenses). The crop factor comes from the sensor, so even that EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 has a crop factor of 1.6 on your 7D.
Thats incorrect, if you buy a specific EF-s Lens it will not have a crop factor...
a 17-55 ef-s lens is just that a 17mm to 55mm any Full frame lens will have a crop factor on it.
August Young @ Nov 17th 2009 5:39PM said:
"Thats incorrect, if you buy a specific EF-s Lens it will not have a crop factor... a 17-55 ef-s lens is just that a 17mm to 55mm any Full frame lens will have a crop factor on it."
Um nooo. "17m-55mm" is a measure of focal length in the lens. The sensor does not change the focal length of the optics. Have a look at this page: http://www.tutorial9.net/photography/crop-factor/ under the title "Lenses designed for Crop Factor cameras" where it says (with reference to these lenses):
"One thing to remember is that the crop factor is still in use even on these cameras and you must multiply the given focal length to get the “correct” focal length."
Oh yes, btw, I AM a photographer. I do know what I'm talking about.