Editorial: HTC and Palm should get hitched and make beautiful babies
It's no secret that Palm's Hail Mary of 2009 -- webOS and the launch of the Pre -- hasn't been the rousing success that the company so desperately needed. Profitability is a distant dream, Verizon isn't giving the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus the marketing support they need to rise to the top, some analysts suggest that the cash in the bank is only enough to last for another year or so, and the choice of Sprint as a long-term exclusive launch partner continues to be a pesky monkey on the back. All of these realities have led Palm to become a near-constant source of takeover speculation in recent months. Name a company -- any company -- and odds are they've been caught up in a rumor at one point or another: Nokia, Dell, RIM, Microsoft, Google, Nintendo (yes, Nintendo), the list goes on. Of course, not all of these deals would make much strategic sense, and only one -- if any -- will ultimately happen.
For its part, Palm boss Jon Rubinstein is as adamant as ever that the company intends to remain independent and swing to profitability, and as best as we can tell, he's still got financier Elevation Partners' support in that quest. But let's suspend reality for a moment and assume an acquisition does happen; who'd be the best fit? We like HTC -- we like HTC a lot, in fact. Let's take a look at why.
Either that, or they aren't.
Additional reporting by Nilay Patel
For its part, Palm boss Jon Rubinstein is as adamant as ever that the company intends to remain independent and swing to profitability, and as best as we can tell, he's still got financier Elevation Partners' support in that quest. But let's suspend reality for a moment and assume an acquisition does happen; who'd be the best fit? We like HTC -- we like HTC a lot, in fact. Let's take a look at why.
- It could be positioned, for PR purposes if nothing else, as a merger of equals. Palm's a proud company -- particularly with Rubinstein at the helm -- and in a way, it has every right to be. Palm's name is closely associated with the very early days of the modern handheld, they figure prominently into the success of the smartphone, and founder Jeff Hawkins is a living legend in the field of personal computing. HTC's big enough to swallow Palm whole, but small enough so that an acquisition wouldn't clearly be an acquisition the same way it'd be if, say, Nokia were to do the deed.
- They've got a history together. Though they aren't currently working together in any capacity (as far as we know), HTC has made Palm's hardware in the past -- a lot of it -- most recently partnering on the Treo Pro. Remember, this was back in the days when Palm devices weren't flimsy pieces of garbage. The bottom line is that they're familiar with one another and how they operate; it'd be a comfortable mesh.
- Windows Mobile is dead, and Windows Phone 7 doesn't give HTC a lot of flexibility. The HD2 becomes a tough sell simply because it's running an ancient, outmatched operating system, and that's a tragedy that HTC has only limited control over by investing boatloads of time, money, and resources into thoroughly reskinning it. With Windows Phone 7, HTC won't even have that option, making differentiation much more difficult than it is today -- and considering the devoted following Sense has earned, that's an issue not to be overlooked.
- Android's still looking rudderless. We've written about the rumors that Froyo will start to undo the fragmentation tailspin Android has been in since the release of Donut, but until that happens -- assuming it does happen -- HTC gets hurt for being unable to keep up with Google's development pace. Virtually all Sense-powered Android devices in the field today are running Cupcake, which looks a little silly on paper when you realize that Google has released three major revisions of Android's core since then. It's not really HTC's fault, but they're the ones that take the hit at the cash register.
- HTC needs a platform to call its own, and Palm needs hardware that doesn't suck. HTC has developed a reputation for making some of the best -- if not the best -- mobile hardware around; one need look no further than the stunningly beautiful HD2 to see material evidence of that. The big problem is that it's constantly at the mercy of its platform partners, as we've seen in the last two points. Put simply, HTC would be able to take its hardware / software integration message to the next level by owning both sides of the equation.
- At this point, HTC's got tighter relationships with carriers. Gone are the days when you'd find a Treo on every carrier known to mankind -- and really, that's a big part of Palm's problem right now. By contrast, we dare you to find a major carrier anywhere in the world that doesn't carry at least one HTC device in its lineup.
- HTC can iterate faster than Palm can. Consider this: HTC announced the Touch Diamond on May 6, 2008 and the Touch Diamond2 on February 16, 2009, two very different devices. It was easy for a consumer to see and understand how the Diamond2 was a worthy successor to the Diamond. Palm, on the other hand, has milked essentially the same ID and internals since January 8, 2009.
- Patents, baby. Patents. All this other stuff is nice -- yes, HTC and Palm would make a ravishing couple, and we'd sure the marriage of HTC's hardware with Palm's software would blow up the universe in an explosion of awesome -- but whatever, HTC would do just as well do buy Palm, fire everyone, and throw webOS out with the trash, because it would still be getting Palm's enormous patent portfolio. You know, the patent portfolio that seems to have kept Apple at bay for over a year now? Yeah, that one. We still think Google will eventually become involved in the HTC / Apple lawsuit -- we're sure of it, in fact -- but there's no reason for HTC to be caught in the middle of some lame bloodless proxy fight between Steve and Eric when it can just go out and arm itself up independently. Yeah, we all want an HTC-built HD2 running Palm OS on LTE, and we're sure Palm and HTC can make it happen, but we'd bet HTC would be just as happy with a fun new product called "We dare you to sue us."
Either that, or they aren't.
Additional reporting by Nilay Patel






















Patents baby! I hate that the competitiveness of the market is being decided by patents. We can thank Apple for this nonsense.
@The Advanced Kind
Actually, we can thank american patent law for this
@The Advanced Kind
Yeah! Because Apple was the first to patent anything.
Oh.. wait..
@The Advanced Kind
The title leads to an obvious question: who will f**k who?
@wingedLegionary
Tons of companies grab patents so that they themselves don't get sued. Apple is starting this patent war by suing HTC over these unworthy patents. Apple could have easily just sat on the patents since they are silly to begin with, or they could hurt the market and hurt the consumers by starting a patent war because they are afraid of competition. I'm just sorry that your Apple fanboy delusion prevents you from seeing this obvious truth.
@The Advanced Kind Why not Motorola? I'd rather have an American company buy Palm than HTC.
@The Advanced Kind
What would their first baby's name? A Pre Pro?
@The Advanced Kind
Apple fanboy dillusions?? Seems a bit hippcritical when it was Nokia who sued Apple, who then coumter-sued nokia. Then Apple sued HTC so as to nor play favorites and since I'm sure both these cases overlap somewhat, potentially kill 2birds. With 1stone. Seems like Nokia started this mess.
@The Advanced Kind In other news... anti-apple idiot posts anti-apple comments on non-apple article.
@The Advanced Kind
Apple. Seriously? Given that Nokia fired the first shot, RIM was the subject of patent litigation for years, and companies have been popping up out of the woodwork on all kinds of obscure Bluetooth, Wifi, GSM, and other patents. Apple sued HTC (and countersued Nokia). Par for the course in that industry it seems.
@The Advanced Kind Steve Jobs: what!?!?, you invented something before us that's also magical and revolutionary! No prob, I'll just sue you
@Bolo
Let'shope that everyone gets to f***k everyone else, otherway where's the fun?
@The Advanced Kind
Wow, a story about HTC taking over Palm and all these comments are about Apple, Cmon people, stick with the story.
@The Advanced Kind Apple is expecting a royalty for using its brand name. ._.
@The Advanced Kind
(Apologies for replying to to your comment, but I want to be seen.)
..and the last laugh goes to: Mr. Chris Ziegler, good job sir!
@The Advanced Kind
if you see a patent theft
they blew it.
@wingedLegionary No but they may be the first to patent the equivalent of the steering wheel and go after everyone with it. Unlike trademarks, just because Apple has a patent doesn't mean they have to go nuclear with it.
@staticjethro
HTC PREmium :D
@diamondsw
Nokia has solid hardware patents on things like signal decoding which make phones work at all. Apple has crappy little software patents on slide to unlock and scrolling.
@The Advanced Kind Agree, and now, Apple is also trying to sue google for its android? moot argument indeed- http://j.mp/google-apple-warfare
@The Advanced Kind I think you might need to do a little research on the American patent system.
@The Advanced Kind
There is absolutely no way this will happen, I think this article is the product of a rather unrealistic and non-sensical fan-boy's dreaming.
HTC are doing extremely well both selling their own branded handsets and designing them for other big names. They're cash rich and very profitable. They've spent a lot of money developing custom UIs for Android (which could be ported to other future OS's).
WebOS has a super UI and a lot of good features, but taking on a heavily debt laden company for something which they don't really need and a brand name in the US which arguably now has less traction than HTC's own would be rank stupidity.
Also, Palm would have to sell out at a knockdown price, offering their shareholders very little upside, and there'd be huge job losses at the company (I'd guess at least 75% of the jobs would go). Palm are better off battening down the hatches and riding out their current troubles. Much as Motorola turned around, they can too.
There is absolutely NO WAY this deal will happen.
@The Advanced Kind
I'm not sure HTC produces such high quality products. Have you seen all the issues with the Nexus one? HTC chose a synpatics clearpad2000 to go into the nexus one, and its a pretty low quality.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fuTCuRkJLI&feature=related
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/label?lid=4a96f6d473819af3&hl=en
You can blame Google for it being their fault due to software, but it should by no means pass their QC tests. Hell, they even say that you shouldn't put their phones in your pocket
http://gizmodo.com/5486397/htc-dont-carry-your-nexus-one-in-your-pocket
@darkazure The first pre had faulty slide mechs, bb had trackball fails, all iphone's have had serious rf issues, and there have been issues with several HTC phones as well.. They aren't revolutionary in terms of quality but some times manufacturer's miss the mark.. HTC screwed up my Touch Pro with the overheating issues... But I would say they are just behind Apple in quality when you look at aesthetics, specs, and function..
@darkazure: I don't know if I'd put all the hardware faults on HTC when it comes to the Nexus One. Here's a hint... look at HTCs Android phones that DO have Sense UI, where they have more freedom, and compare them to the Android phones without Sense UI (G1, Nexus One etc).
The Sense UI devices are of a better hardware quality, and match the build quality of HTC's WinMo devices of the past couple of years. I'm not sure if Google actually had a say in maximum hardware cost per unit, but it certainly feels that way. That's why I avoided the Nexus One after getting hands on with it, and picked up an HD2 when it hit T-Mo. Even if WM 6.5 is a dead end, it's either gonna be upgradable to WP7 unofficially, or to an Android build (XDA magicians working on that right now).
If HTC bought Palm, and tweaked the UI of WebOS to have a more Sense UI feel, it would be a win for both companies, as HTC could ditch that proprietary OS, and roll with WP7, Android and keep webOS alive...
I like the sound of the HTC Palm One, actually, a 1GHz WVGA phone similar to the HD2 or EVO. I'd like to see what the Sense software geniuses could do with webOS as their starting point...
@Bratyr
Crappy software huh ?
If it wasn't for apple's iPhone OS we still would have been stuck with symbian and cellphones like N95.I'm stunned by the amount of apple hate on this forum.The story is about HTC but you guys HAVE TO bash Apple.
Judging by Palm's management it would be HTC's loss.
@Coswyn
I'd lmfao if nintendo got it.
@Coswyn
I just don't get this at all. Why on earth would HTC want Palm?? WTF does Palm have? The Palm OS??? That's what's sinking Palm as it is!!
Who is the Palm OS for? Is it for corporate users? Okay, well good luck unseating RIM. Is it for casual users? Seems like between Android, Apple, Maemo, Symbian, Windows... well, it seems covered. Does Palm really want to try to split up that pie even further? (That small part of the pie that's left after RIM and iPhone take their chunks.)
I'm just saying, I don't think HTC gets *anything* useful from Palm... at all.
I also cite this video post Kevin Rose made last month about this very topic: http://bit.ly/aCjMnk
@MichaelF You have no idea and neither did Kevin. WebOS is very versatile and can compete at the consumer and enterprise level with the right backing. Palm is currently to small to properly support their OS.
@MichaelF
have you ever heard of webOS? its a pretty damn good OS. just need some good hardware to pull it up and some good advertising. if they marketed this a bit better you may know a little bit more about it.
I believe you guys, I'm sure it is a perfectly fine mobile OS. However, as long as RIM and iPhone hold as much market share as they do, then Palm has to compete for the leftovers with Android, Symbian, and Windows. I just don't see it working out for them.
And as for Kevin not knowing about it, I'm going to have to place his expertise a bit higher than yours... considering he is the founder and CEO of a major tech-related company, and an Angel Investor in the technology sector, I just place a little more faith in his research and assessment than some guy on a message board's.
Not trying to be a smart-ass... just sayin'.
@MichaelF You have a point, however disregarding the quite widely held view that WebOS is one of the best, most innovative mobile operating systems around, if you would have read the article you would have seen that what HTC would gain is Palm's very very very large patent portfolio which would not only provide HTC with an edge in it's current lawsuit against apple but also more more room for innovation.
@iCello
On a side note, I'd like to thank everyone for speaking nicely even though we disagree. Too often people get nasty.
In response to what you said, I did read the article, it's just my opinion that HTC doesn't get anything they really need from Palm. Sure, they'd get *some* stuff, but is it enough to make it worth buying a company in as much trouble as Palm? Personally, I don't think so.
Hey, it's just my thoughts on the story. We'll all find out soon enough; HTC will either make a move or they won't. I'm betting they won't.
@MichaelF
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/gartner-apple-android-and-rim-winners-in-2009-smartphone-os-g/
symbian is not fighting over the scraps lol.
@ardation
No, you're right, they're not. I guess I just meant that both iPhone and Blackberry OS are only on their own devices, whereas the rest are shared among many manufacturer's devices.
Your post actually kind of reinforces my point, I think. Between iPhone, BB, and Symbian, 81% of the market is dominated.
Anyway, I respect everyone's opinions... I'll be interested to see how this plays out. Anyone want to put odds on it? lol
@Coswyn HTC sucks!! Their hardware sucks, and they will continue to make crap hardware. Their phones always have promise, but never deliver. Their touch screen tech is totally lacking as well, and the implementation is never very good.
The Pre is better hardware than anything HTC has actually brought to market in recent years, and the reviews of the actual hardware tell the same story.
@MichaelF : You could have easily made the same argument about Android when it was launched. Who needs it when we have iPhone, WinMo, Blackberry, etc?
@MichaelF Sure, I can kinda agree with that. And I don't think HTC will actually buy Palm, I just wish they would.
@trwrt
There is a clear and fundemental difference between Android and WebOS (actually, three of them.)
1. WebOS is *only* on Palm devices, whereas Android was designed to be multi-device/multi-carrier.
2. Google dominates pretty much everything they decide to toss their hat into, the same can't be said about Palm.
3. Android is open-source & free. That automatically gives it a leg up on something like WebOS.
Hey, I'm not saying it's not a good OS... I have no idea as I've never owned a Palm device in my life. I just don't think they've [Palm] positioned themselves correctly.
Also, as far as I can tell this idea of HTC buying Palm is something that was made up in this article. It's just something that an Engadget writer was musing about. No one has mentioned this as an actual possibility from what I can find.
(Oh, and I know people will start yelling "iPhone" in response to my #2 above... okay, so that's granted.)
@MichaelF "Hey, it's just my thoughts on the story. We'll all find out soon enough; HTC will either make a move or they won't. I'm betting they won't."
Agree they won't!. Why should they ?. They are too deep into Droid already!. A year ago would have been a great time for Palm tie-up. I think RIM should go buy Palm now!. They need a sturdy OS with nice UI which Palm still has the edge but not enough resources to develop further.
iPhone OS4 will hit RIM real hard.
@MichaelF WebOS is open source also, being Linux under the hood. The upside to a company like HTC owning WebOS would most certainly be a good thing for them. It would give them the same type of control that Apple and RIM enjoy with their devices. WebOS is really a good OS, and I have used them all - Well, almost all. It is stable, powerful, and easy to use. Throw a little Sense in there, and who knows? The point is, that what Palm has created may not put them on the path to profitability, but I think it will ensure the Palm name will live on.
@Fteo64
That actually makes more sense to me. BB has the market share, imagine if they developed a new OS that actually had a nice GUI...
On a separate note, I love how many of my comments in this thread have been down-ranked. They were on-topic, insightful, thought-out, and politely worded... it's amazing to me how people will down-rank the crap out of you just because they don't agree with your opinion. I'm no troll, people... what's the point of these message boards without differing opinions?
@trwrt I disagree with you. While my past HTC phone was not the greatest quality. I think they have improved. I do not own a nexus one, but while handling one, it just feels like good quality. When I had my pre, it felt like crap. In fact, I had to wedge paper in the battery compartment to keep it from turning off when I close the slider. Yeah, great quality.
HTC buying Palm would be great for WebOS but bad for HTC.
If they followed Chris Ziegler's advice, a year from now they would be in the exact same position as Palm is today. And everyone would be surprised. And everyone would be looking for excuses as to why it didn't work (again). People will be blaming lack of carrier support, lack of apps, lack of updates... not understanding the underlying reason to why Palm failed in the market place:
There are too many mobile OS's/platforms and neither Palm or HTC has the resources to compete with Apple, Google and Microsoft.
Add that to the fact that Android is the fastest growing platform in the mobile market, whereas WebOS has failed to attract users or developers. In what parallel universe does jumping from the most successful platform to one of the least successful platforms make any sense? Especially as Android is free, and Palm would probably cost more than HTC could afford.
While I agree that a high-end HTC phone running WebOS makes nerd sense, I don't see how it makes business sense.
@MichaelF via these comments I can see you really don't know WebOS. So your talking out your ass a bit. WebOS is linuxed based so it would be very apllicable as a multi platform OS. Given the size and rampant participation of the homebrew community you can the that it if Very open source and palm actually adopts apps from the homebrew community. Conversly Palm lends code to the homebrew community for development. I enjoy android and respect it but it does not have the polish and personality that WebOS does. Ill get a little brazen here and say Nothing does!
@captaind172
Well your only one person....I am one of 4 or 5 people in my office who have tbe Pm Pre and can't imagine using anything else and all of us on our first phone. Mine personally has been a tank. Fact is, the majority of those who use WebOS love more daily.
@Coswyn :
@MichaelF:
Has anyone here used a Palm Pre or Pre Plus recently?:
The reason the Pre Plus won LaptopMag's contest against Iphone3gs, Droid (by 10k votes), Nexus One, etc... is because of its OS.
The reason I myself can never buy any other phone is because of WebOS. It revolutionizes the way anyone uses a phone. It's full blown out multitasking.... not multitasking lite that the Iphone will get or android/WinMo/BlackBerry has...
That and gestures and the card metaphor makes this phone so advance.
As for Palm? It's been releasing OS updates every month to two months... The OS is 10x better since launch last summer. The only problem is that the OS is too much for the Pre Hardware.
Things like battery issues, flimsy builds, underclocked processor is what we Pre owners have to deal with.
However, we keep our phone because it has the easiest to use OS on a phone, and we have the PreCentral community to back us up.
Also, new hardware will fix everything Palm needs.
Battery, processor and ram to handle multitasking, solid device....
Everyone on PreCentral wants an HTC Evo/ HD2 with WebOS.
@Kedar
You hit the nail on the head. I like a physical keyboard, but I'd LOVE a sweet looking WebOS driven 4G HTC phone with some robust hardware. You also pointed out something that only WebOS users know and should really become common knowledge; every month or two my phone gets a little faster, smoother and more capable. Those who judge WebOS by the user experience and reviews 10 months ago should really update their knowledge base. I'm not particularly loyal to Palm, but I'd be really disappointed if WebOS went away entierly.