Apple refreshes MacBook Pro family with Intel Core i5 and Core i7 processors... at long last!
This transition from the last crop of Core 2 Duo chips (which Apple introduced in June of last year) to Intel's Core 2010 chips has caused quite the unprecedented wait, but at last we're staring down a fresh crop of MacBook Pros and all is right with the world. The 13-inchers are sticking with Core 2 Duo, but the 15.4-inch and 17-inch models are now Core i5 and Core i7 through and through. The higher end models are nabbing NVIDIA's GeForce GT 330M graphics with something akin to Optimus switching (though Apple just calls it "automatic graphics switching technology," and claims to be using its own tech), while the 13-incher get NVIDIA GeForce 320M scraps. Along with the faster 2.4GHz and 2.66GHz chips in the 13-inch, Apple claims to be able to squeeze 10 hours of battery life from the machine, but the real meat is in the Core i5 2.4GHz (520M), Core i5 2.53GHz (540M), and Core i7 2.66GHz (620M) processors in the larger models. The 330M graphics are twice as fast as the 13's 320M, but thanks to the magic of Optimus, er, "automatic graphics switching," which switches the GPU on and off on the fly based on the needs of the task at hand, Apple still thinks you'll manage 8 to 9 hours of battery life on these big guys.
All machines come with 4GB of RAM, and while hard drives are standard (320GB and 500GB in the higher end), you're free to add a 512GB SSD to your machine if you so choose, for a mere $1,300. Interestingly only the 15-incher is getting that top Core i7 chip, with the sole 17-inch model is consigned to the 2.53GHz Core i5 (though you can choose Core i7 in the build to order options). Prices range from $1,799 on the 15 (up from the last-gen's $1,699 base price!) to $2,299 on the 17, with a $1,199 starting price on the 13. On the 15-inch you can pick between a 1440 x 900 "glossy" display, a 1680 x 1050 glossy display for $100 more, and an anti-glare hi-res display for another $50 on top of that (you 17-inch users are stuck with 1920 x 1200 and glossy). The biggest tweak outside of these beefy internals is "inertial scrolling" support for the trackpads, à la iPhone, though we're not sure why this couldn't have been added with just a software update. Everything's up on the Apple Store right now for your perusal, with the bigger models shipping "within 24 hours" and a 2-4 day delay on the 13-inch.
Update: Ars Technica confirms that the autonomous graphics switching is indeed from Apple. The boys in Cupertino wrote their own code in order to extract the longer battery life. Unlike Optimus, Apple's solution powers down the integrated graphics when the discrete GPU is required -- something that happens automatically whenever an application requires advanced graphics frameworks like OpenGL, Core Graphics, or Quartz Composer. Optimus works off a master list of GPU intensive apps that NVIDIA maintains. Yeah, we can definitely see Apple not going for that.
All machines come with 4GB of RAM, and while hard drives are standard (320GB and 500GB in the higher end), you're free to add a 512GB SSD to your machine if you so choose, for a mere $1,300. Interestingly only the 15-incher is getting that top Core i7 chip, with the sole 17-inch model is consigned to the 2.53GHz Core i5 (though you can choose Core i7 in the build to order options). Prices range from $1,799 on the 15 (up from the last-gen's $1,699 base price!) to $2,299 on the 17, with a $1,199 starting price on the 13. On the 15-inch you can pick between a 1440 x 900 "glossy" display, a 1680 x 1050 glossy display for $100 more, and an anti-glare hi-res display for another $50 on top of that (you 17-inch users are stuck with 1920 x 1200 and glossy). The biggest tweak outside of these beefy internals is "inertial scrolling" support for the trackpads, à la iPhone, though we're not sure why this couldn't have been added with just a software update. Everything's up on the Apple Store right now for your perusal, with the bigger models shipping "within 24 hours" and a 2-4 day delay on the 13-inch.
Update: Ars Technica confirms that the autonomous graphics switching is indeed from Apple. The boys in Cupertino wrote their own code in order to extract the longer battery life. Unlike Optimus, Apple's solution powers down the integrated graphics when the discrete GPU is required -- something that happens automatically whenever an application requires advanced graphics frameworks like OpenGL, Core Graphics, or Quartz Composer. Optimus works off a master list of GPU intensive apps that NVIDIA maintains. Yeah, we can definitely see Apple not going for that.























Great Scott!
@Emmett Brown
whoa the 13 inchers now get 10 hours of battery life...did the old ones get 5 and did they get the new gfx too? ( cant remeber old specs)
@From My Cube
There's no way that sentence could ever be misinterpreted. Ever. No way.
@From My Cube The only way it will get 10 hours of battery life is if you turn the screen/keyboard brightness down to the lowest level and let it sit there without running anything. The last round of Macbook Pros said they got up to 7 hours of life. That is simply a load of baloney. I got my latest MBP last September, it it gets about 4-5 hrs of battery with moderate usage.
@Emmett Brown
1680x1050 as the highest resolution available? Why isn't it 1080p?
@mbushnell
The wireless productivity test measures battery life by wirelessly browsing various websites and editing text in a word processing document with display brightness set to 50%.
Testing conducted by Apple in March 2010 using preproduction 2.66GHz Intel Core i7–based MacBook Pro units. Battery life depends on configuration and use.
so are those new NVIDIA graphics cards going to improve gaming capabilities? maybe Valve already knew about this change and it helped push their decision to make Steam for Mac?
@Seven 1080p would require the screen to be 16:9 form factor. Macbook pro screens are 16:10, therefore 1680x1050.
@Seven Come on, its apple. Why put 1080p anyway? No apple comes with a BD player. Pretty sad IMO. I'm waiting for their form of hi-def media to come out so every apple cronie can line up at the the all mighty conference and then line up on release day.
@mbushnell
My 13" MBP which they claimed to last 7hrs doing "wireless productivity" things actually lasts me about 6~7hrs, literally just having safari + iTunes open with screen half-bright, which I find very impressed. I owned the very first unibody 15" MBP as well (replaceable battery one) and even that one lasted about 4 hours... Must be something wrong with yours?
@Ike Turner Instead of making inane comments you should do some research on miniDisplayPort. It has a superset of the functionality of HDMI and can easily be converted to HDMI or DVI, and on the macbooks also supports VGA.
@mbushnell My 6 months old MBP runs for 6 hours straight - constant internet browsing - no streaming.
@Emmett Brown Great Scott indeed! These have SD Slots in them! That's a first for Apple.
@Emmett Brown I said the same thing until I saw no i7 720...
I can't believe I entertained the idea of buying a Mac, but no worries...
No quad, no deal.
@Atkins
The 17" can be ordered with an i7 chip via build-to-order. The performance boost over C2D looks fairly small though. I thought the graphics switching was developed by Nvidia (Optimus)? But these machines switch between the Nvidia processor and an Intel "HD" chip (the previous generation had two Nvidia chips, 9400M and 9600M GT).
BTW, what's the fascination with 1080P resolution on a 15" screen?
@Emmett Brown Hey, how come it costs a hundred bucks more to add a 128Gb ssd on the cheapest fifteen inch compared to the middle model fifteen inch?
With the 128Gb ssd option they both end up almost the same. Is it that much harder to put that drive in the cheapest fifteen inch model?
@mbushnell
Agreed! Atom based netbooks with led backlit 10" screens can't even do that. I say BS!
@Vdek "These have SD Slots in them! That's a first for Apple."
Incorrect.
@Emmett Brown
Engadget can we please be neutral? I appreciate the Apple posts but how about toning them down to ONLY THE IMPORTANT ONES?
zomg apple store down. zomg! BREAKING new macbooks with technology PCs have been using for months. ZoMg indeed
@Emmett Brown Thing is: my Alienware m11x has a slightly yet still mathematically better graphics card (the 1GB GT 335M) I thought Apple would at least have the decency to put up some nicer graphics, Optimus or not. Of course the performance gain comes from the Core i5/i7 chips, but then again is like putting low-octane on a Mustang.
@Ike Turner Wow...never thought nowadays gay can be so open...just say whatever they wanna ....
@2pacj
Anyone know the specific i5 and i7 processors for the new MBPs?
Its April 2010. How can they call a machine with a Core2Duo a "Pro" level computer?
@Boolean22 HUH? I don't get your comparison. Most mustangs run on low octane from the factory. Upper level models(Cobra, Mach1) run on premium octane.
@mbushnell
My wife's previous generation 13" MBP runs for 6-7 hours of no problem (medium screen brightness, audio, web browsing, word processing). For more intensive stuff, 4-5 hours is more common.
@mbushnell
Actually, Apple quotes all of its runtime with WiFi enabled and screens and all other settings at default. for example: "The wireless productivity test measures battery life by wirelessly browsing various websites and editing text in a word processing document with display brightness set to 50%." The wireless productivity test is the quoted battery life number....
OTHER vendors quote battery life based on "optimized" or "prefered" battery saving settings. Apple uses 50% brightness, wifi on, and actually surfs the web while running multiple background applications (as a user would).
I can attest that a MacBook Pro 15" with nVidia 9600GT (enabled for high performance) and with the machine in high performance modes, and at about 70% brightness gets beyond 6 hours battery life on WiFi, and over 7 hours with the GPU disabled, which are in excess of apple's quoted stats for the previous generation. Apple's battery numbers have continuously been reliable for ALL their products based on expected use patterns, not ideals.
@darksharpie Yeah, I was considering a 13, but not with these nothingburger specs. Maybe this is just a pre-bump, and the real deal will happen in June-July.
Funny last January, we saw a brochuer about macbooks running i5-i7 cores. Maybe it was for real. http://bit.ly/corei5i7-macbook-series
@darksharpie if he did that then he wouldn't be able to bash apple. Last weekit was that the MBP line was outdated and now that its here gotta complain bout something.
@Urkel How about the excellent design and build?
@Emmett Brown Thats fantastic just bought a 15in 3 weeks ago. Apple just played me. They messed up jacking up the price. That processor is as commonplace as the 2 Core. Apple we're still in recession bitches!
@Emmett Brown
deciding between the 13" 2.66ghz macbook or
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj284/davidli919/6-4.jpg
The asus will probably save me about $400 or $500.
@Urkel yeah, the 13" looks pretty lame. Sony got an i5/i7 in a 13" model two months ago already (the Vaio Z). And it weighs significantly less than the MBP. Bit poor, Apple.
@Seven
Someone else mentioned Apple screens being 16:10 not 16:9. There is another reason, one despised by feature hunters.
It's called the Lechner Distance. A 17" screen displaying 1080p is optimal at a viewing distance of 67cm. At 15" it is 59cm.
So unless you are quite short or like having your face closer to the screen than your forearm length it's a wee bit pointless jamming 1080 into 15" cause you won't really see the detail.
As I mentioned though, feature hunters don't care about such things, they just want to tout the biggest specs.
HD phones are rather dumb as well but the worst is HDTV sets which based on lounge room viewing distances are available at sizes that leap over the pointless line because of how small they are. Obviously some are bigger and suitable.
It's an interesting ratio and why he figured this out, google it if you are interested.
As for the update, I just got a like for like replacement on my dead mbp 2 weeks ago. 2 f'ing weeks ago. I upgraded to a 17" for the express card slot, now the price has dropped for it I could have gone the ssd.
Some false data in the article though, the screen of the 17" can be matte.
In oz the price of the 13" dropped $200, the 15" dropped $200 ish depending on version and the 17" dropped $300.
If they had lightpeak I would be flipping out pissed right now but this is but a wee bump really. A minor refresh.
+1 @Urkel
Core2Duo on any 'new' machine in 2010 is pretty ridiculous. Intel usually phases out their previous architecture over a 12 month period, so it would make sense for the remainder of the Mac line to see Core iX bumps before Q4 2010, including 13" MBP.
But this is apple, so who really knows...
@Seven 1080p requires a 50 in display or more to see true 1080p so you aren't missing anything on a 17 in screen. But 1680 x 1050 is an awkward screen settings
@mbushnell i get 7 hours with normal, regular use. Maybe your battery needs calibration, or SMC needs reseting.
@Emmett Brown
What! No Core i7 720QM Quad Core?
@Coyote
If your coffeemachine doesn't make anymore coffee, are you going to keep it for the looks?
@akbc My MBP under normal web surfing, email and excel last me around 6-8 hours when I have clic2flash enable. But if I load something with Flash I am lucky if I get 4.
yesss
OMG Innovative, magical, revolutionary, microsoft sucks, etc!
@Sogeking: ...and eeeeeeeaaaaasy to use man, boom!
DO WANT
and especially DO WANT since Steam is coming to mac
@Cynical Hippie
I'd like to see ATI 5650M in these babies along with 1920x1080p with up to 6GB of RAM..then we are talking. I might consider MacBook for the first time and maybe it will complement my iPhone but will see because I know I can get a better laptop with similar or higher specs for half of what they are asking. Damn it Jobs cut the prices and up the specs!
@hero785 I seriously agree with you there on the ATI Mobility Radeon 5650 or higher. I understand that Apple wouldn't see the need for something that supports DX11, but it's a much better card overall. I was considering holding off for a new MBP, but I must say I am rather disappointed. These are the same "magical, revolutionary" specs I could find in an HP, Dell, Gateway, Acer, ASUS, or Sony four months ago.
That was about damn time!!
@Fredfrombelgium
Took the words right out of my mouth...
still definitely frustrated about buying one on easter now...
@Nick Brown - Return to the store and tell them about it. It's been my personal experience that Apple will often give in to such demands. I bought a MacBook Pro 15" two years ago and had several issues. Well past my 30-day return period I walked into an Apple store with another problem. The new unibodies had just released and I told them I had too many problems with the Macbook Pro I bought and that I'd like a replacement - knowing the unibodies were the only option. I spoke with the manager and he told me he'd get back to me that day. I received a call several hours later and was told I could come by the store and get a brand new MacBook Pro 15" unibody. It was that easy. No yelling - in fact, the manager practically took the reigns to make sure that it happened.
It's worth a shot!
@gllopc wow, awesome. thanks for the tip! i actually bought this one from best buy but it is still within the 14 day return period so i will probably just go return it and then buy a refreshed model. :)