Say what you will, but Toshiba has managed to time the Camelio S20 just right -- it was the very same day that our
Flip Slide HD frustrations were reaching epic levels, that the $179.99 pocket camcorder showed up on our doorstep. The thin cam, which can shoot full 1080p and capture stills with its 5 megapixel CMOS sensor, just became available in the US earlier this month, and for the price we've actually been blown away by all of the features it boasts in comparison to the competition. So, did the Camelio S20 turn around our pocket cam woes? Jump on past the break for our full review of Tosh's latest camcorder contender.
Hardware
Toshiba is all about touting the S20's thin 17mm (.6-inch) body, and frankly we don't blame them. Immediately after we pulled the .25-pound cam from the box, we were indeed taken aback by just how light it felt. The camcorder was small enough to fit inside a jean pocket as we walked around Boston for the day, though thankfully, it's not a gadget we'd actually want to hide. Sure, it's a bit plasticy, but the glossy black exterior, red adornments and silver bordering give the entire case a nice aesthetic. While we were expecting the skinny cam to be awkward to hold, we generally found it comfortable when shooting with its 3-inch LCD screen extended.
The controls around the cam are where things start to get confusing, and in sum, there are just too many of them. Let's start around the back where you'll find a clickable zoom rocker that also doubles as a menu navigation control, along with record, forward, back, and playback buttons. A plastic cover conceals AV, HDMI and mini-USB ports. On the top are the SD card slot and a macro switch. Oh, we're not done yet: on the opposite side is the picture / video mode control, and when you open the LCD, there's a power and pre-record button. We're not above admitting that we had to open up the user manual to figure out what each of these did in different settings, and we suspect you will as well. Unlike Flip Video cams or Creative Vados, when we handed the S20 over to a friend she was rather befuddled, and needed some assistance simply finding the button to switch to video mode.
For the price, we have to say we may be most impressed with the number of accessories that come in the Camileo S20's box – there's a mini-USB charger, USB / HDMI cables, a mini tripod, a cleaning cloth and pouch. There's also a CD with Arcsoft and Magix Movie Edit Pro 15 PC software. Notable absent is an SD card -- you'll want to make sure you pick one of these up, as the128MB of onboard storage won't get you far. (We should note, however, that Toshiba is offering a
4GB SDHC 8GB SD card for free with the purchase of the $180 S20 on its site right now.)
Software interface
We'd like to say that the S20's software menus are intuitive and totally make up for all of the complicated controls, but that's not exactly the case. Pressing down on the zoom rocker (yes, it took us a few seconds to figure that out) brings up the somewhat retro-looking interface, and figuring out how to maneuver through the different features with the forward and back buttons is a bit of an IQ test. After some time we were nimble enough to change the video resolution on the fly, but it all is much harder than it should be. There's also the fact that navigating the menus isn't exactly a snappy experience, especially when viewing images or video. When toggling through pictures and videos there's a noticeable lag -- it's not the camera you want to have when all your friends want to "quickly" see how the picture came out.
Video / camera quality
We know, we know...how's the image and video quality already? The H.264-recording S20 can capture 1080p and 720p video at 30fps, and WVGA / VGA video at 60fps. We shot most of our footage in 720p and found it to be similar in quality, or in some cases slightly better, to that of most pocket cams we've used. In good lighting – whether outdoors or a well-lit room – colors were vibrant and images quite crisp. In low-light situations, like in the aquarium video below, the footage appeared crisper than that shot with a
Flip Mino HD, but still a bit washed out. When we turned on the light on the front of the cam in a dark room, we were able to capture a friend's face when we stood within a foot of her, but colors were distorted and the entire video appears a bit grainy (check the sample below). The 4x zoom – which doesn't work in 1080p mode – is more abrupt than we'd like, but we eventually got the hang of smoothly zooming, and turning on the image stabilization mode helped keep closely-zoomed shots more steady. We captured a bit of 1080p video using the S20, but when we hooked up the cam to our HDTV we could just barely tell the difference between the 720 and 1080p footage. It's a nice option to have, but chances are you will shoot in 720p more often because of the zoom option.
We
did have a good time trying out a few of the special effects settings, including the slow motion option. You can only record at a lower resolution, but it's still fun to capture a friend in slow-mo without telling them and then embarrass them when you play it back. Yeah, we're cruel like that. There's also a motion sensing setting if you want to set this thing up to see if your cat climbs on your desk when you aren't at home. The S20 only records AVI files, which we found out the hard way when we tried to play back the files in QuickTime on a MacBook. We had no problem viewing the files in VLC, but editing the files will be more hassle-free on a PC.
While we were content with many of the videos we shot with the S20, we can't say the same for all the stills. While outdoor shots were clear and for the most part in focus, many of the indoor stills we captured at the 16-megapixel setting were grainy and aren't the type of shots we'd want to send to share on Flickr. The Macro switch helped for taking better up close pics, but still you're better off with a cheap point and shoot. Feast your eyes on the shots below to see what we are talking about.
Wrap-up
Indeed, we have our complaints about the S20's confusing interface and cluttered controls, but when you think about all the features (and accessories!) you get for $150 (on the street, anyway), it's hard to totally pooh-pooh it. Obviously if you are looking for a pocket cam for someone less tech savvy we'd recommend the
Flip Mino Ultra HD or
Kodak Zi8 HD, and if you want a better performing pocket cam the
Xacti VPC-CS1 has a 10x zoom and a less palatable $225 price tag. Ultimately we can't say the S20 cured all of our camcorder woes, but it did turn out to be an HD cam that we can recommend for the price.
posted April 22nd 2010 11:40AM
I'm going to "like" this on facebook. I like this new concept. Like showing people a cool link without cluttering up your wall with a whole heap of crap. Well done Facebook with making the web more social, well done Engadget for implementing these new features so well.
@Rohan Needs a "Dislike" (so does Facebook)
@n0ne I'll try not to take that personally:)
@n0ne Maybe, but I say keep the web positive
@Joanna Stern how does it compare to the Aiptek A-HD? I think I might upgrade to this one. And can it do Analog - Digital conversions?
Naa.. It's all about the choices!! :P
@n0ne Karl Pilkington says "Whats the purpose of a shark? Its the sort of animal that is in-between innit...what it is ..is really a cross between a fish and a wolf with sharp teeth..aight"
Decent camcorder though..
These are the worst sample videos I've even seen !!
@Jimbojones You are just scared of the shark
@Joanna Stern
Seriously wish I could uprank. Seriously.
why aren't the sample videos available in HD?
@Jimbojones They could've at least filmed the mothers yacking away ("I won't be able to sleep tonight")
Thats about what I paid for my webcam and this would blow it out of the water. May be picking one up for our trip to Europe this summer. I like things I can put in my pocket, and may leave my sony camcorder back home this time.
Until these pocket cams get some decent image stabilization count me out. Fool me once Flip Mino HD, fool me twice Kodak Zi8... fool me... you can't get fooled again Toshiba Camileo S20.
@Raikus Too true. Digital image stabilization, for the most part, sucks. I have a Sanyo Xacti TH1 and introducing any level of zoom overwhelms the stabilization (heck, it's poor even without zoom).
Another point which should be addressed is autofocus speed. It's damn slow on my Xacti and keeps trying to reacquire in anything but optimal lighting situations. Want to shoot indoor videos at night? Forget it unless you have studio lighting.
FYI
Toshiba is throwing in an 8 GB HCSD Card and a laptop cleaning kit with the purchase of this camcorder on there website:
http://www.toshibadirect.com/td/b2c/adet.to?poid=450294
I wish you could have posted a video shot OUTSIDE of that aquarium so we could see what it looks like in good lighting.
My little Ativa 1080p pocket cam that I got from Office Depot for $90 during the black Friday sales. It's the same thing as the Camileo S10. The Camileo S20 is also basically the same thing, with a slightly different menu design and physical design.
I like it. the audio quality isn't the best, but video quality is pretty good. Can't complain for $90 ;). Definitely beats the Flip.
Where's the review for the new Kodak Playsport? It seems like it's the best pocket cam out there.
I know that shark.
So wait, the "Xacti VPC-CS1" is better performing? Engadget never reviewed that one, from what I can tell. In what ways is it better performing? Does it have the best looking picture of all HD pocket videocameras?
Those sample videos look really terrible. Is it just the codec used to post them here? If not, I wouldn't pay $50 for that thing. The only improvement over my iPhone's video is no jelly-vision.
Does anyone know if this camera has an external audio input like the Kodak ZI8 ?