Nokia's N810 makes first appearance, drops jaws
By Thomas Ricker 
posted Oct 17th 2007 8:29AM
posted Oct 17th 2007 8:29AM
We're still waiting for the press release, but that's Nokia N810 Internet Tablet in the fo' realz. Yeah, sexy is an understatement. We peeped this model in a spyshot back in July and appears to be the same lovely recently revealed by the FCC. The obvious improvement to the N800? The full QWERTY.
Update: Details now rolling in.
[Via InternetTabletTalk, thanks Noah]
Update: Details now rolling in.
[Via InternetTabletTalk, thanks Noah]
me wants.
looks alot like a pocket pc phone. what happen to that nokia style they had years ago?
NOT QUITE AN IPHONE KEEP TRYING NOKIA!
The Nokia is what the iPhone dreams to be when it grows up.
Call me when the iBrick gets 3G or even basic cut/paste or MMS. The iBrick is the laughingstock of Europe and Asia.
EVEN THOUGH THIS IS THE INTERNET IT STILL DOESN'T GIVE YOU A LEGITIMATE EXCUSE TO WRITE IN ALL CAPS WHILE ACTING LIKE A SUPERIOR PRICK FROM THE SAFETY OF SOME LITTLE CLOSET SOMEWHERE. KTHXSTFU.
If you look at "PCFanboisrock" post history every single one has been an ALL CAPS trolling post. Time for a Banning?
Don't feed the troll, guys. You're wasting your time.
WRITING IN CAPS DOES NOT INCREASE THE SIZE OF YOUR ePENUS or iBALLS, SORRY.
You are an intolerable, driveling, incompetent, annoying, moronic, twat who obviously fails to see that this isn't a phone. So, why compare it as such when it's just a fancy web browser? F*** outta here!
@ Argot
I wouldn't say the iPhone is the laughing stock of Europe. They're selling here in Spain for as much as € 1,500. That's over $2,000. I'd say somebody's laughing it up, but not at Apple's expense.
YES..YES...OH GOD YES!
They should just put a gsm chip in there and make it a phone...
GSM? Why? GSM is the worst cell standard still in widespread use today.
CDMA is superior in every way to GSM.
And SIM cards? Look up R-UIM. China and Korea use them.
I do agree, this would be the best, most functional phone, ever.
Oh wow, I wonder how much it's going to be, seeing as I just bought an N800. Any words on specs yet? GPS? Better Proc?
CAN ANYONE SAY SIDEKICK RIPOFF?!!?!?!??!?!?
HOW DO THEY GET AWAY WITH THIS?
I think your Mac-keyboard is broken crapple fanboi.
"I think your Mac-keyboard is broken crapple fanboi."
lol, did you read his comment or user name? lol so quick to judge you forgot to read
How does a comment with "crapple fanboi" in it get to be Highly Ranked? What's wrong with you idiots?
Bob, perhaps you should consider that perhaps his username is sarcastic.
Because it is.
I see stereo speakers, a 3.5mm headphone jack, and a regular usb port (!!) no mini or micro!
hot hot hot!
Want. Bad. When?
Can we please stop with the x ripped off y comments.
The only thing revolutionary about the iphone design is the multi-touch screen, other than that its just very pretty screen,(very minimalistic, I like it) The sidekick is just added a keyboard to a screen(pretty neat the way it flipped around), danger was a software company to begin with not really interested in hardware iirc.
So this is not really ripping off anybody, because its all based off a single idea that grew over time, screen + touch screen + keyboard now. The probably was a "first" to integrate a screen and keyboard in a small gadget. All these new full touch screen gadgets remind me of the star trek pads . . . If anything the N810 takes design hints from the iphone and the htc kaiser. But what really makes all these devices different is the software.
The N800 ripped off the $10 bill!
Look:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:N800.jpg
5th graders called they want their joke back.
looks like built in GPS.... if yes, I'm SOLD!
Yes, internal GPS.
the big question is HOW MUCH?
One big store in Finland already listed N810 for 469 euros (removed it afterwards). Engadgets pics are from Nokia's news room so the press release shoud come quickly.
Discussions on Finnish mobile forum also indicate that it has build in GPS and it feels great!!
I have really high hopes for this if the price goes down a little (they are selling N800 for less than 300e ATM).
whom cares? That's so sweet
So where do I sign?
It's a nice a handset, but they are still going to try to copy the iPhone no matter how many other handsets they put out. I think Nokia should just keep putting out their ordinary designs for the masses and let Apple take over the smartphone market. They'll have less grief in the long run.
Once Leopard is running on desktops and the latest upgrades for the iPhone and the SDK are released, Nokia might as well pack it in. Once the iPhone 2.0 is offered to consumers, Nokia handsets will be an underdog in the smartphone category.
There will continue to be a few dinosaurs that need physical keyboards for input, so Nokia and RIM will serve those people happily.
If Apple decides to be the gatekeeper of all iPhone/Touch apps via iTunes they will crash and burn. Just look how well the iPod games have done. If anyone could make and distribute iPod games, there would be thousands of them.
I was ready to get a Touch until I learned I couldn't put my own apps on it. It's a deal breaker, no matter how many ways Apple offers me to BUY music. I know I can hack it, but living in fear of an update... no thanks.
Love my macs, but the Nokia N810 is a much better mobile device option IMHO.
Constable, you Troll :)
"It's a nice a handset, but they are still going to try to copy the iPhone no matter how many other handsets they put out"
They had its predecessor out before the iPhone was a glimmer in Apples eye.
"I think Nokia should just keep putting out their ordinary designs for the masses and let Apple take over the smartphone market."
Nokia don't have to copy Apple, they have been in the smartphone business for years, have a look at the N95 for instance...
"Once the iPhone 2.0 is offered to consumers, Nokia handsets will be an underdog in the smartphone category."
Hopefully they will also get rid of all those toxic chemicals in their phones as well ;)
@ Constable Odo
"There will continue to be a few dinosaurs that need physical keyboards for input, so Nokia and RIM will serve those people happily."
I'll disagree. I've used my mate's iPhone. Cute, and a nice device if you want to listen to music and make some calls and surf the web a bit. However, if you make a lot of calls and you want to do emails and lots of SMS-texting, a physical QWERTY is where it is at. In fact, I prefer my phone keypad and predictive text on my Sony w810 over the iPhone's soft keyboard, and my Blackberry blows both out of the water.
Cheers.
a physical QWERTY?
I disagree. a physical keyboard, yes, but not QWERTY. No, not Dvorak either!
How about alphabetical, like on my HP49G+? (OK, not quite like the 49, as that is taking backseat to calculator keys, so some wierdness of layout.)
If you are not holding your hands in the conventional touch-typing home-row pose, then matching a touch-typing layout is senseless. Either design an optimal layout for thumbing/whatever digits get used, or use an obvious layout to which users may adapt their own preferred style.
The former, IMHO, presumes too much knowledge of how different users will hold an oversized bar of soap, and will likely cost as much for people with different grips as it gains for the target people. (Only a few % either way, once they get used to it.)
Still, I'm with you on physical keyboard. When you can feel the keys, you will eventually be able to "touch-type" on it, because your thumb/finger/whatever just knows where to go for that letter, and the outline of the keys eliminates any fractional error.
since when has the iphone been a smartphone? even apple doesnt call it that (and refuses to) why do apple fanatics seem to think that they can?
it's not a handset, it's not an iphone copy either in ANY sense, the whole product line is way older than iphone, if anything iphone is a 770 wannabe.
it's a web pad, "internet tablet" like 770 and 800. they're an extra, not a phone replacer. they're what FOLEO wanted to be(it even runs a quite open linux variant).
the screens on them are excellent, 800 pixels wide. batt is nice on them, but thats partly because if you're not doing anything it can be put to sleep, unlike a phone that has to have the phone chip running all the time..
addition of a hw keyboard is a big plus.
Obviously by the replies some of you have no idea what the N800/N810 is about...
exactly. i'm an iPhone owner and i'm disgusted with it even being brought up in respect to the Nokia N810. it's not even the same device. you can knock the iPhone and say at least this has GPS in it. get over yourselves people, the iPhone isn't that serious.
hehe i like how the mockups are using apple based browsers see the scrollbar in the pic.. :P either apple mockup or safari on nokia product lol
I think you'll find that the scroll bars are part of the flash applet the site uses, MP3 Tunes just ripped off Apple's scrollbars.
Because Nokia uses the same webkit as the iPhone.
http://press.nokia.com/PR/200506/998214_5.html
"Apple is pleased to assist Nokia in creating their new Series 60 browser based on the same KHTML open source technology that powers Apple's Safari," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "The Safari Web Kit's blazing performance, efficient code base and support for open standards make it an ideal open source technology for projects like Nokia's new Series 60 browser."
Bzzt, challenge.
The Nokia browser on their S60 phones uses the same tech, this uses a Mozilla-based renderer.
My Nokia 770 now can retire.
Look again, it's not a fullsize port. Compare it to the USB port on the N800, they're about the same size. (Tricked me too when I first looked at the pics)
I see it's much smaller than the N800. It also doesn't look as bad as that spy shot.
But the only way I'm going to forgive the dpad inside the keyboard is if you can scroll it using your finger on the screen.
perhaps this one has the multilayered "3D" screen
Someone PLEASE tell me Kayako will work on this thing.
I use an i730 right now, and i'm not leaving VZW, but I'm getting fed up with them not releasing the i760 months ago.
I need a pdaphone for navigation, Kayako, SSH, and various other apps I could rewrite for this device.
DO WANT.
It's not a phone.
You haven't heard of tethering? Seriously?
I would obviously keep my i730 and just tether them.
Could you honestly not deduce that?
You specifically stated you needed a pdaphone on which you could redo your programs. It sounded like you were asking for a smartphone on this side of the internet as well.
nokia uses a safari based (or similar browser does it not?
iphone web apps run on a nokia, iphone.facebook.com displays on a nokia
nokias cut and paste
iphones (currently) contain toxic chemicals
btw POOR attempt on apples behalf to pull the by mid 2008 line out, make a new product future ready.
Why does evry mobile device get compared to an iphone the n8xx's aint phones, so cant be compared with the iPHONE
i have a universal remote for my tv/stereo/ps2/dvd/tuner/cable/ could probably hack for pc/whatever.
its rectangular, and has a touch screen.
it came out before the iphone, it doesn't copy and paste, and i cant send mms from it, i can replace the batteries wityhout sending it away.
clearly my remote control is a far superior device to the iphone
As far as I know, the other Intarwebz Tablets use an opera browser.
Opera 8.5 and Mozilla (MicroB) are both available for the Maemo platform.
I'd love to crack open my iPhone and drizzle it's toxic contents all over you.
It's funny, you can afford such a luxurious universal remote, but you can't buy some grammar to go along with that tirade?
I'm just as annoyed with the iPhone talk as you are, but I literally didn't understand a point you made.
It hinges on battery life for me, if it can outdo the HTC 8525 while solely on wifi then it sounds like a really nice wifi messenger/browser device.
Donno about batterie life of the N810 of course.
But what I can say is that the N800 rox when I compare it with my HTC S710.
To be honest what surprised me the most on the N800 is actually the batterylife! It's awsome!
(Haven't had anything that works that long, tried: Asus R2H, laptops, HTC, Palm TX, Treo,
i could easily be wrong about the browser on tablets, i know the nseries and eseries is (purported ) to be compatable with iphone/ipod touch/.mac web apps [may have gotten that info from www.symbian-freak.com perhaps]
not that i claim to actually know about mac stuff, being as how i seem to crash them quicker than a windoze device
The N800 has a completely different OS then other Nokia N-series or E-series.
N-series or E-series use Symbian
N800 uses Maemo (linux)
Aw dammit, I gotta stop visiting engadget! Oh well, God knows my heart as I am coming close to telling my little girl that Santa had a heart attack this year and canceled Christmas.
looks like the T-Mobile Wing
THis, sexy? No, no... there's no such thing as a sexy cell phone. The iPhone's the closest, but it's not there yet. And seriously, how does this drop jaws? I mean c'mon, a full QWERTY keyboard? That's it, that's the big feature?
Is this post a joke or for real?
It's not a phone. . . .
It's not a phone. . . .
1. Nokia's browser is based on Konqueror just like Safari
2. This is not a phone, it's a tablet
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3uPxep2OIk (new video) S60 touch.. is Nokia's iPhone competitor
It hinges on battery life for me, if it can outdo the HTC 8525 while solely on wifi then it sounds like a really nice wifi messenger/browser device.
Dammit, stupid dupes.
For those people wanting this thing to be a phone -- I read a while back (
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4366436363.html) that the N800 replacement was going to have WiMax -- not sure if this is the device in question, but it would certainly make it interesting, don't you think?...
I think people are confused about the size on this thing. If it were the dimensions of *ahhhhhh* (please read in Spongebob happy voice) the iPhone then it would be not quite as exciting. As it is, the resolution is far superior & it's not meant to compete with straight up phones. It's a category to its own along with HTC's Advantage (which is a phone, sort of).
I had the 1st Nokia tablet. I didn't like it. No QWERTY was the least of its problems. Sluggish was the main one. I hear that's been resolved.
Looks great but will it blend?
Bzzt . . . wrong.
The Maemo platform has Opera 8.5 and Mozilla. No WebKit.
Yes. Seems good for now. Give the spec list please! If its going to be in shops as fast as previous tablets i'll get it.... if it has the spec i'm looking for
I'm using a Nokia N770 right now. It's an earlier model of this same tablet. I'm a total fanboy of this device. I commute on my bike and used to lug my PowerBook to work. Now I just take the N770. It does have phone capabilities. I have a gizmophone client installed. As long as I have connectivity to a WiFi node, I have a phone.
In the negatives department, the version of Flash installed won't run YouTube. The processor is sloooooow.
In the positives department, this is a Debian linux device. It's pretty easy to get root on the machine and do what you will. I've managed to hose mine several times by trying to install various linux software gizmos but thus far have been able to restore it from a disk image.
It doesn't have phone capabilities.
You can install a VOIP client on it, though and make VOIP calls.
One more time: It does NOT compete with the iPhone. UMPCs, maybe.
I'm in the same boat-instead of toting my Vaio I use my N770 and haven't thought about upgrading until I saw pics of the N810. I'll let early adopters have at it until the price comes down.
Like someone else mentioned, folks seem to think that this is supposed to be like a smartphone and that's wrong. It's an internet tablet that has VOIP capabilities but is not meant as a cellphone substitute. I wouldn't even say that it's a substitute for a PDA neither. It just compliments your tech collection.
Heh, I knew the week after I picked up the N800, they would announce the next version! Sigh... Well, I'm not too disappointed, I'll still get plenty of use out of my N800 while waiting for the next generation...
Damn. I was about to buy a 12" tablet. Now I am in turmoil.
Sadly it looks like the screen size on the 810 is the sameas my old 770. 1024x600 would allow pdfs to be read w/o scrolling.
Cheers,
Bill
Give the spec list already
Spec is here: http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_en_R1.html
I just picked up the N800 but I will donate mine to my brother once this thing is released.
Sexy? You gotta be kidding. That thing is fugly.
After reviewing the pictures, I noticed that the camera is on the front of the phone...and not on the back.
What's up with taht? That's going to be a bit hard to take pictures with.
it's for video calls. everyone else in the world does this but us here in the US for some reason. Oh, wait, it's because we don't have good mobile broadband and the companies that do have decent speeds are too restrictive (yea, you Verizon)
If it continues to run on Maemo it's going to be amazing. Hey iPhone hackers, sick of Apple crippling your efforts, start developing for the Maemo, where your work will be appreciated, not outlawed.
If it continues to run on Maemo it's going to be amazing. Hey iPhone hackers, sick of Apple crippling your efforts, start developing for the Maemo, where your work will be appreciated, not outlawed.
That looks stunningly like an HTC phone. Did Nokia steal one of their designers or just their design?
That doesn't look like a Nokia design at all, in fact, it shares extreme resemblance to the HTC Kaiser.
It might be good time to get new glasses ;)
gonna buy one...
Doesnt look like the keys light up or have any type of assistace while typing in pitch black.
I hated my Nokia that didnt have keys that lit up. Software was great though - far supirior to Motorola's crappy OS.
I just hope something is there when typing in pitch black.
HTC came out with this phone 2 years ago when it introduced the Wizard (Cingular 8125, T-Mobile MDA)! Nokia is a bunch of copycat bastards. If this is their idea of innovation then HTC will be laughing all the way to the bank...
Repeat after me: This is not a phone. This is not a phone.
Nokia is wasting time and money with this project. My N770 was almost useless, slow as a dying dog.
Perhaps with phone support (GSM or whatever) this gadget could be useful. In my opinion the iphone is much more exciting (and fast).
Really?! Perhaps sexy has lost all meaning? It looks like a enlongated SIDEKICK - not unattractive and even nice but sexy? It's Kate Jackson or Jodie Foster - handsome ... pleasant, nice, smart ... but sexy ... um, not so much.
Peaple keep comparing this handheld internet tablet with the iPhone which is a cell phone! They are not the same.
I own the iPhone and the line of N-Series and E-Series from Nokia and I can say, Nokia internet tablets are just as good a their phones. Solid and full featured. And with the regard to the comparisons, it needs to be understood that the iPhone cannot multitask nor can you open and load more than one page at a time in your browser. Also a password with many alphanumeric and symbol passwords are very difficult to type on a virtual keyboard
And with direct regard to the 810 tablet: The keyboard addition is to satisfy the wants of many consumers who want a basic easy to use device for emails, internet, etc, and the works which was a 800, but the lack of a keyboard makes everything very difficult.
Time to retire my 770. Who sells this?! I want it now.
It's not a tumor...I mean, it's not a phone. Anyway, ignoring the stupid posts along the way, those of us who knows what this is and what it does are pretty happy I imagine. I've have my eye on one since I got to play with the N770 a couple of years ago. It's time.