iPhone 3.0 to have copy and paste, Pre-like features -- but no background apps
By Nilay Patel 
posted March 15th 2009 6:23PM
posted March 15th 2009 6:23PM
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what about A2DP, MMS, and video recording?
shHHHHHHH!!
4.0 aint coming for a while
But what about qwerty keyboard? removable battery? sd slot? high res screen? GOOD batter life?
screw the iphone get the next nokia internet tablet, it will blow the iphone away.
Wat about free tethering?
"But what about qwerty keyboard? removable battery? sd slot? high res screen? GOOD batter life?
screw the iphone get the next nokia internet tablet, it will blow the iphone away."
I'd love those things too. But the internet tablets aren't phones. The N97 works for me though. (WHERE IS IT? I WANT IT SO BAD!)
@ Seightan
Because obvious troll is obvious
@Seightan
I think none of those things you mention should really matter.
Most of those who are use to the iPhone's on screen keyboard would say they type pretty fast with the auto correction. I feel like i type faster with the touch screen keyboard compared to an actual qwerty keypad. The iPhone 3G does have fairly good screen resolution with decent battery life. Removable battery would be nice, but not needed, same goes for the SD Card. I feel the SD card is just a hassle for transferring files. I would prefer the iPhone be able to connect to the network and have access to the files on it. Data cable is more convenient than removing the microsd. I figured we are moving towards cloud computing, syncing our data to an online storage space. So that is even better.
Hm, on the subject of auto-correction, am I missing something? I have a first-generation iPod touch, I use it decently often (though it's not my main phone as its not a phone) and have had it for over a year, and I think I can count the times the autocorrection has been helpful on one hand- certainly it gets it wrong more than it gets it right. Am I doing something wrong here, because people praise this feature all the time, but I'm not getting it...
Mind you, I probably make the same amount of mistakes on my Palm Centro, which does have a physical keyboard, so I don't know if a physical keyboard would make me more accurate- I'm just curious about other's views of the autocorrection.
@ Seightan: Blowing the iPhone away doesn't take much. I have old cell phones sitting drawers that I retired long before the iPhone was a twinkle in Jobs's eye that blow it away. Strip away the whiz-bang factor and the Apple logo and you have youself a sub-par cell phone. Of all the people I know that ever got an iPhone, only one still has his...and it's hitting the road packing soon in favor of a BlackBerry (the most common upgrade for iPhone users, it seems).
Yet, people still gobble it up, and then Apple adds new features that should have been there all along, and it's news-worthy. Hell, even rumors of such features are apparently news-worthy. Simply astounding.
Evryone just needs to chill out! My friend is an early beta tester, and showed me the newest firmware, and other than the copy/paste, there is NOTHING new. Not even vide recording. Just copy/ paste. Chill people.
@EricC
"" Strip away the whiz-bang factor and the Apple logo and you have youself a sub-par cell phone.""
but that didnt keep you from buying one.. toss your iphone in the trash and see how long it takes before you are digging through your roommates used condoms trying to find it :)
I predict that iPhone OS 3.0 will bring us .NET and Silverlight support!
Lets all have a moment of silence for Steve Jobs because I know he's turning in his grave right now.
@EricC. I am wondering what makes you bother type such uninformed rubbish. i have an iphone, i run a business and for me it’s the best tool by far to me keep in contact with my office. check email, check information on the internet and find where i am going if i have a meeting. its also a generation ahead in terms of interface design than almost anything ahead, and believe me i have been through a lot of phone. i think maybe you should raise your opinion a little of your fellow humans at being able to know when they are being duped, your personal prejudices seem to bear no relationship with reality of the situation.
Actually, it did keep me from buying one. I've never owned an iPhone, and likely never will. Aside from my distaste for touchscreen keyboards, Apple seems perfectly content with being behind the curve on available features...and why not? They get to not only save money in R&D, but people still swipe up every last available device at exorbitant prices. It's win/win for them. Good on them for finding the secret formula to running a successful business, but aside from the occasional iPod purchase, I hope they're not holding their breath on me becoming an Apple-loving Luddite =)
So, Apple is "copying" Palm Pre features now?
Lol! The irony.
@Saad Rabia
Given the fact that a large part of the palm pre team are ex-Apple employees, no.
And do you really think companies can copy someone else's work in two months?
If it was true, Microsoft would be in a much better position, and so would Rim.
@Flashpoint: In order for somebody to turn over in their grave, they need to be dead first.
But I agree with the OP.
Lol, I remember my Moto RAZR having all of that 3 years ago... *sigh*
Steve Jobs died 3 days ago.
They just haven't said anything cause they don't want Apple stock to fall.
@Jacob - Yeah that's IT! THAT'S why the iPhone has been such a dismal sales failure! If only they listened to the out of touch nerds on Endgadget reader comments they might have been able to make ONE device on ONE carrier that outsold companies with multiple models on multiple carriers that have been in the game for years! GENIUS!
If Apple did one thing with the iPhone, it proved beyond a doubt that people DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK about a phone having every single obscure feature technologically possible. Like everyone here is absolutely giddy to point, we all have phones burried in our drawers made 3 years ago that technologically speaking, totally spank the iPhone. How can all of you not connect the dots with that? If a phone could be released that basically just had a superior user interface going for it, and that alone was enough to catapult over phones FAR MORE technologically advanced, how the fuck do you not realize THAT'S what people really want?
And SHUT THE FUCK UP with the, people-only-buy-it-because-it-has-an-Apple-logo-on-it argument! Good god, that's THE MOST illogical thing I've ever heard! Why isn't the Mac Pro the best selling desktop computer then? Why isn't the iMac the best selling home computer? Why isn't the Mac Mini the best selling small form factor computer? Why isn't the entire Mac line put together able to even touch Dell's numbers? Yes people will buy something because of the brand alone but come on already! If the iPhone was genuinely as horrible as some of you make it out to be would it still be selling as well as it is? Do you HONESTLY believe that people would all keep going along with the trend for this long? For YEARS? Are you THAT stupid?
If the iPhone is SO horrible and SO "under-featured", then stop obsessing over it already! If you're SO certain that (insert model here) is going to be THE iPhone killer than I'm sure it doesn't need you hear convincing people. How about we let the sales speak for themselves AND SHUT THE FUCK UP! And if you hate Apple so much THEN STOP READING AND COMMENTING ON EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMN ARTICLE ABOUT THEIR PRODUCTS!!!
so you telling me the iphone can't stream music to bluetooth?
"If Apple did one thing with the iPhone, it proved beyond a doubt that people DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK about a phone having every single obscure feature technologically possible."
Exactly, most people are sheep. Bah bah bah.
"Like everyone here is absolutely giddy to point, we all have phones burried in our drawers made 3 years ago that technologically speaking, totally spank the iPhone. How can all of you not connect the dots with that? If a phone could be released that basically just had a superior user interface going for it, and that alone was enough to catapult over phones FAR MORE technologically advanced, how the fuck do you not realize THAT'S what people really want?"
So you think we shouldn't demand something from our devices if we think it's worth it? I personally will not ever bother with a phone without A2DP. I need wireless bluetooth headphones. So why don't you shut the fuck up.
"And SHUT THE FUCK UP with the, people-only-buy-it-because-it-has-an-Apple-logo-on-it argument! Good god, that's THE MOST illogical thing I've ever heard!"
Well gee, offer some proof then.
"Why isn't the Mac Pro the best selling desktop computer then?"
You mean to tell me a vastly overpriced desktop with over 2500 dollars starting price is not a huge seller? shocking
"Why isn't the iMac the best selling home computer?"
Cuz it's a piece of crap that uses shit laptop components.
"Why isn't the Mac Mini the best selling small form factor computer?"
Actually it might be.
"Why isn't the entire Mac line put together able to even touch Dell's numbers?"
Well first, I think it does have close numbers. More importantly, Apple has a handful of different models vs Dell's extremely vast sales lineup covering every possible segment.
"Yes people will buy something because of the brand alone but come on already! If the iPhone was genuinely as horrible as some of you make it out to be would it still be selling as well as it is?"
It sells well because it's easy to use. Us uber nerds need every conceivable feature possible. iPhone is like the Model T of smartphones, it's the democratized version of something that only elites used to use.
"Do you HONESTLY believe that people would all keep going along with the trend for this long? For YEARS? Are you THAT stupid?"
Funny how all that came out because I only wrote a singe sentence inquiring about a few other features. And last I checked, some trends can last years. See musical styles.
Those features are in the same bag of hurt
While this still seems like it's going to lack, it's new and improved counterpart, the Pre, is going to flop because no one is going to switch to Spring for it.
They might not switch to Spring, but they'll sure spring to Sprint!
What about the fact that I can't even watch this damn video on my iPhone right now?? Where is flash?
And here I was getting excited that we were talking about the next gen. iPhone. Software does me no good, I haven't taken the plunge yet.
@Jacob
I think the problem with your comment is that you have confused the iPhone OS with the iPhone hardware. The presentation this week only (as far as we know) discusses the iPhone OS and developing for it so hardware discussions will have to wait until a later date.
With respect to the remainder of this polite discussion, I have to agree with utahnkid. The iPhone has clearly demonstrated that the opinion of the tech-obsessed crowd means very little to the wider population. There is no doubt that the iPhone would be a better device if it had additional features provided by other phones but people seem to be happy with what it does do rather than what it does not.
Personally, I fail to understand why it is so many people seem to have a catatonic fit whenever someone chooses to buy a product from Apple. Just mind your own business...
What about mini skirts and tight tops?
Rose is a tool.
I thought the guy next to him, doing all the casual f-ing swearing and repeating the populist opinions of total chumps, makes Rose look pretty cool.
Rose IS a tool
Dude- yes- Rose is a freakin' tool. I remember when Kevin Rose started making his stupid iphone predictions about two batteries and a bunch of other crap. He's a fraud and a tool. And to be honest, Digg sucks.
And the douche bag next to him- well, what a douche bag. Who is that jack ass?
Kevin Rose also said that the iphone would have a pull out keyboard and 2 batteries, one for the ipod and one for the music.
That douchebag on the left is Alex Albrecht, he's there to present the "I'm a PC" point of view. He's a whiny bitch, and totally not stoked about his Dell (apparently).
He, like any sane human being, has an iPhone, but will keep bashing Apple any chance he can, to get the anti-Apple crowd coming back to Digg.com and watching their little 'show.'
If he really hated Apple he would disavow himself of any Apple products, but even the biggest hater alive Paul Thurrott, can't do that (he's a big AppleTV fan, and recently declared he was dropping his iPhone, only to confess he'd be using it on a daily basis for its iPod touch features, and getting a WinMo phone to try out 6.5)
What about keep dreaming?
he's probably right. The iPhone is too slow as it is without background apps. They'll have to wait for the next iPhone hardware update in a few months.
My guess is that if they can't make multi tasking/ back ground apps work with this generation hardware, they wont change that if and when a new phone arrives this summer. It seems logical they wouldn't force you to buy new hardware for something simple as multi tasking. If they want it, I'm sure they could make it work with all models.
background apps is mostly a battery life issue, nothing else.
I agree, though I'll be curious to see the Pre's real world battery life. I have a feeling part of the appeal of the wireless charger may come from frequent usage.
Regarding the iPhone, my main personal interest in background applications is for music streaming apps.
On apps like Last FM or Pandora, where there's some lag when the app looks up artist information, is that lag due to limited bandwidth or limited CPU resources? Does anyone know? Just curious.
if only Tesla had had his wish! free wireless electricity for the world!
AJC: This is Apple we're talking about. Obsolete-ism is their middle name. Apple would with a good concious not gift current iPhones with multi-tasking capabilities so that consumers are encouraged to upgrade to the new iPhone. Profits would drop if people stuck to their first gen iPhone and upgraded their software every year.
Expect the new iPhone coming in june to have features or hardware that the existing models don't.
without a serious hardware upgrade, there's no way the iPhone would operate as smoothly.
what was its RAM? 64?
@nikster
Not necessarily. Done right an application still running in the background should consume no processor time at all unless it is actually doing something. However, the background application will continue to consume memory and this may be important to the performance of the foreground application.
I tend to feel that the iPhone is right not to permit background applications. The Push Notifications proposal sounded like a good solution to the problem of making the likes of Instant Messenger applications useful. Given that only a single application can make use of the screen at any given time I fail to see why applications should need to run in the background if they can be restored to the state that they were exited from. I have "fond" memories of Windows Mobile on a PDA years ago and the joys of the Task Manager, and I have no wish to see that sort of thing on a phone. In other words, the desktop computing paradigm does not work on a PDA or Smartphone.
What about push notifications?
Don't believe anything that comes out of this guy mouth. He had predicted stuff from Apple before that always turn out to be wrong.
Example, before the 1st gen iPhone came out, he said the phone was gonna have 2 batteries : 1 for ipod side and 1 for phone usage.
1. He was guessing
2. He seemed to be dead right about the new iPod nano
Okay, Engadget . . . if this is a post about Rose's "guesses," then why doesn't your headline reflect that?
"iPhone 3.0 to have copy and paste . . ." makes it sound like fact, not the conjecture that it really is. A simple ". . . says Kevin Rose" or something at the end would've sufficed.
man that title's deceiving. i got excited that the real information had leaked there for a second!