Engadget Podcast 199 - 06.04.2010
By Trent Wolbe 
posted June 4th 2010 12:13PM
posted June 4th 2010 12:13PM
Hosts: Joshua Topolsky, Nilay Patel, Paul Miller
Guests: Joanna Stern, Darren Murph
Producer: Trent Wolbe
Music: Boys Don't Cry
Hear the podcast
00:02:38 - Engadget dines at Taipei's Windows 7-themed restaurant (video)
00:06:05 - Windows 7 tablet roundup from Computex, nay Tabletex
00:07:03 - Microsoft's Guggenheimer dismisses Android on tablets as 'an experiment'
00:09:05 - Microsoft reveals Windows Embedded Compact 7 at Computex, hosts heaps of tablets
00:10:40 - Microsoft Windows Embedded Compact 7 explained, trial download now available
00:12:10 - Microsoft: Windows Phone 7 not planned to hit tablets, Courier was always a concept
00:13:00 - NVIDIA CEO says Android is an OS to 'unite behind,' will be better tailored to tablets this Fall
00:13:40 - Microsoft Windows Embedded Compact 7 tablet prototype preview
00:14:20 - Samsung Galaxy Tab revealed
00:17:10 - MeeGo Moorestown-powered tablet preview
00:18:40 - Pixel Qi introduces tablet-ready screens, we go hands-on (video)
00:23:40 - Exclusive: LG UX10 tablet preview at Computex
00:39:46 - Intel demos Android 2.1 on Moorestown smartphone (video)
00:41:45 - Qualcomm ships first dual-core Snapdragon chipsets clocking 1.2GHz
00:45:47 - Labor practice protest goes down at Computex, Steve Jobs called an 'OEM profit bloodsucker'
00:54:40 - Steve Jobs live from D8
01:02:57 - Steve Jobs' D8 interview: the video highlights (updated)
01:03:38 - Steve Jobs on Foxconn: 'We're all over this'
01:05:52 - Steve Jobs on lost iPhone 4G prototype: it's an 'amazing' story
01:14:45 - Steve Jobs on TV: 'no one wants to buy a box'
01:24:55 - Steve Ballmer and Ray Ozzie live from D8
01:25:06 - Jobs: The PC is a truck. Ballmer: There's a reason they're called 'Mac' trucks.
01:27:00 - Steve Ballmer at D8: the video highlights (updated)
01:38:38 - Kno dual-screen tablet appears at D8, we go hands-on
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I'm really liking these solid 1 1/2 hour podcasts, because I have nothing else to do with my life. :)
@impulse462 Same here. It makes being unemployed tolerable...well sorta...
@greg787 It makes being employed tolerable... ehhh not really, but it helps
...but do you guys talk about tablets?
@skyblaze
Just downloading now. I hope so. Tablets where the sick old man of the computing world and now they are the star. Amazing turn around since the ipads launch.
One thing I'm not getting though with mini tabs. Why the tyranny of the phone? I mean, any device that happens to have the capacity to make a call is deemed rediculous if it can't fit into a pocket. I have an iphone and talking on the phone is not the thing i use it for most. Everytime somone previews a device like the streak or a mini tab a bit bigger that can be used as a phone they seem to think they have to qualify their comments by mentioning how silly they might look etc. Screw that. I put function before form and I don't want my convergience device to be a 'phone first' and other things after. A phone can come third, fourth or fifth as far as I'm concerend.
Ok maybe it doesnt look so good holding a 7 inch tablet to your ear (from) but it doesn't feel so good to me to be doing (function) everything else on a phone sized device. I've had an iphone for six months now and it makes it far easier to check my emails and sort them but i tend to reply much less cause it's a pain to type long stuff out on the iphone.
I don't care if a 7 or 8 inch tablet phone looks unconventional. I'll make calls with it via a earpiece and mic. It's time to de prioritize the phone part of the device. Find ways to intergrate the phone comfortably and let the other functions shine rather than compromizing them so it can stil look like a phone.
The dingo ate my Nilay.
It seems this Podcast happened when I was in my Hypobaric Chamber, don't let it happen again
For some reason, I my zune software is not showing new podcast...
@Dking7
Same with iTunes, it just takes a while for iTunes to pick it up off the RSS sometimes.. I have the same "issue" with my own podcast.
These things are happening quite a lot these days. Similar issues occurred with the Engadget Mobile Podcast last week. Hope they know what the problem is.
@Dking7
Not in the MP3 rss feed either..
The podcast doesn't show up in the RSS feed either.
I really don't get this requirement for you all to have a dummy down slate device. Why wouldn't we ultimately want a full OS on a slate? If the hardware isn't quite there, shouldn't we be putting the pressure on the Intel's and Amd's of the world? Isn't it the next step of the netbook to become lighter and more powerful so we don't have to carry multiple devices to do all the same things we do on our Desktops/Laptops?
Hey, Josh! I hope you did not have to eat of the 'late night' menu and were able to eat some good grub after the podcast. Thanks for sticking around as long as you did.
fish balls, frog legs. Gotta love it :)
Tablets are too small for full a full size OS but too big for a phone based OS. Tablets are not the future, it's a fad and it will go away. Ipad is not the future, it's success is because of the rabid fan base they have developed who will buy a pile of crap with an apple logo stamped on it. They are awful to type on, they aren't good for reading, and they are waaaaaaaay over priced. They are to big to carry around without a backpack or purse. They don't have nearly the functionality of netbooks or notebooks. Get a smart phone and get a laptop, why would you buy something that falls in between these two items but can't function as either. You wouldn't want to carry a tablet as a phone and you wouldn't want to use a tablet as a laptop.
What the endgaget gang doesn't understand is that i can't afford $80/month data plans. I just want an android device so i can join the party. I don't want crap, obviously, so i'm willing to spend $200-300. If something good comes out with vanilla android froyo for $150, huge icons and all, with semi decent specs, i'd be ecstatic.
Not all of us with gadget lust have the means to support our habits. (which is why kin will certainly fail, btw, among other reasons. high schoolers would much rather spend $80/month on weed, alcohol, and clothes than a phone)
@buback
Maybe not, phones are absolutely a fashion statement, of course the kin is the equivalent of wearing genie pants. But social networking is extremely important to that demographic and they are on to something, they just didn't approach it in the right way.
Frog legs are a pretty common French delicacy.
By the way Joanna do you think it kind of tastes like chicken?
@Cobra4455
Never went to a general respectable Taiwanese restaurant that served pig intestines, fish balls, and frog legs.
They're feeding the white people leftovers, guys! Next time, if you want the good stuff, have an Asian with you.
@JW
Once again Fish balls are a very popular Cantonese cuisine and pig intestines are fairly popular in numerous cultures around the world including African American soul food style cooking.
Microsoft should just build a massive zune HD as a tablet, and this time release it here in the UK.
I still want an in-depth analysis of the sex life comment.
It's not showing up in Google Reader...
@Engadget
Can you guys update the RSS feed for this faster? I don't recieve the podcast until the end of the day or next. =/
@LOVEoo
Same here... frustrating
Microsoft just has to redefine the tablet market, besting Apple
@Hopper6 easier said then done
Your ideas for apple tv sound a lot like project canvas in the UK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Canvas
Not showing up on itunes for me, why is that?
There is a market for Google/Apple TV, people just don't realize they want it yet. I'm moving into a house with two other recent graduates, and none of us wanted cable TV, we can watch everything we want through a combination of Hulu and Netflix. How insane is it that 3 college students with plenty of discretionary income to blow aren't even interested in basic cable anymore?
Its so easy to make the case for watching everything on demand now, in the area i'm living basic cable starts at $60 per month, but you can get a 12.5Mbps connection for $45. Its really a no-brainer, especially if the sports organizations and HBO started selling subscriptions for online viewing.
it got weird last night when everyone started yelling about nipples and the editor went crazy.
"There is no truck.."
awesome
Its not on iTunes, Help i am to lazy to download by clicking!
Nilay asked 'who wants a 7 inch mini?'
Well, I want one. And based on the buzz around the Streak lot's of people want a 5 to 7 inch tablet/phone.
To me my iphone is other things first and the phone part is an equal or lesser part of the whole. Sure the screen is too small for me to really enjoy games (apart from 'Parachute'), the key board is too small for me to really get into typing, the camera is not good enough etc but i'll take all those trade offs against having to carry five devices.
I would not ask the question 'who wants to have a seven inch phone' as a means of implying that it's a bit rediculous. I would ask the question 'Who wants to have a four inch tablet' as a way of saying that it's rediculous to be doing all that stuff on such a small screen.
Until now we didn't have a choice and the smart phone market is still new so the wow factor has given the fact that they are too small a pass. But now that the Streak and even bigger tablet phones are available i say that having 'everything' else shrunken just so it can fit the old paradigm of what form factor the phone part should be in unacceptable. If i could make calls with an ipad i'd just use that as my phone. As it is i'm looking carefully at the Streak but would really like a tablet/phone with a seven inch screen.
Hey guys,
You posted the podcast on the site but didn't update the feed. And when I look you up on Doubletwist, the episodes are from 2009.
@Hopper6 easier said then done
Apple is the grim reaper of tech!
loved the commentary on Foxconn
Paul: great analogy of organic food
Does any Engadget editor use Windows 7 or do all of you use OSX? You speak about windows with such contempt. And Josh don't be upset because cabbies in Tiawan have video chat on cheap nokias, they have been using it for a while and are likely proficient at it.
Paul...sppppppiiiit it out. You are killing me. I almost can't listen to the podcast.
The Podcast doesn't run with Chrome on Windows. Does anybody else have this issue?
I don't use an ad blocker.