HP and Palm: what happens next
HP announcing that it's going to buy Palm in a $1.2b all-cash transaction certainly took everyone by surprise, but in many ways the deal makes perfect sense. HP is a gigantic player in the tech industry but has no appreciable presence in rapidly-growing mobile space, and Palm -- well, you should know how we feel about Palm by now. Even still, we can't say we were expecting this one, and it looks like most of you weren't either -- HP only got two percent of the vote in our "who should buy Palm" poll, while Engadget (that's us!) got... fourteen percent. Oops.
But now that we've had a day to wrap our heads around the news and think about what Palm and HP said to us last night and to analysts on the conference call announcing the deal, we think we've got a pretty good set of educated guesses on how things might shake out over the next few months. Read on!
First things first: the deal isn't official yet. Palm and HP have to jump through a number of regulatory hurdles first, including look-sees by the SEC and FTC. That process isn't expected to be completed -- at the earliest -- until HP's third fiscal quarter, which ends in July. When's all said and done, though, HP will spend a cool 1.2 billion dollars in cash to buy all of Palm's outstanding stock at $5.70 a share. Palm will then become part of HP's Personal Systems Group, led by Jon Rubinstein, who expected to stay along with most of the rest of the senior team -- HP told us there were "aggressive" retention plans in place.
What remains to be seen is how Palm's unique culture is absorbed into the massive behemoth of HP. Palm's relatively small and quirky, and although we're told Rubinstein is excited to lead Palm into this next phase, that may not be the case for its other engineers and employees. Palm's already lost some talent at the top in recent weeks, so we'll see if this bit of good news stems the tide or hastens the drain -- HP told us they're going to announce a new organization strategy as time goes on. And here's a fun throwaway question: as of right now, every Palm employee we've known from Jon Rubinstein on down is a Mac user. Are they all going to switch to Envy 15s now, or what? It's silly, but it's also a significant cultural difference the two companies will have to resolve.
As it stands right now, Palm's current products -- the Pre / Pre Plus and the Pixi / Pixi Plus -- are unaffected by the deal, and Palm tells us that its hardware roadmap will remain unaffected in the near term. That means we should see the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus hit AT&T as planned, and whatever new hardware Palm has in the pipeline will also continue to be developed -- Jon Rubinstein told us that after a couple days of buyout excitement it'll be "back to work and full steam ahead."
It's the same story for webOS -- it should be unaffected in the near term, and things like the Ares SDK and developer evangelism should continue to go on as scheduled. Of course, it might be easier for Palm to lure devs to the platform now that HP's bank account is reassuringly behind it, but we're not hearing about any major substantive changes to the current product mix or near-term plans.
What Jon or HP wouldn't tell us is whether or not Palm's brand will remain -- whether or not future devices will have the Palm logo on them or just an HP logo, or whether the Palm name itself will continue to exist. That's a big question that clearly needs to be dealt with as the buyout talks wrap up and the deal gets finalized in the next new months; we're getting the loose impression that the Palm and webOS names will stick around in some way, but we were told a more definite answer won't be forthcoming until the deal closes.
We also don't really know how this deal will affect Palm's future products. HP already makes and sells the iPAQ line, which has its own proud history of past successes and recent failures, and that DNA is sure to filter into whatever products Palm / HP put out in the future. We also don't know how far into the future Palm's existing roadmap goes, and how and when those plans will be integrated with HP's plans for the mobile space -- sure, the Pre Plus will hit AT&T, but after that things are very much up in the air.
HP doesn't really have much going on in the mobile space right now -- there's the iPAQ Glisten on AT&T and the iPAQ Data Messenger on Vodafone, and... that's about it. We'd expect those to die a quick, painless death, along with the Android-based Compaq Airlife netbook and any other Android plans HP's been brewing up in the labs. You can't "double down on webOS" while supporting another mobile operating system, right?
Well, maybe you can. HP is listed as a Windows Phone 7 launch partner, after all, and Palm certainly has a long history of making Windows Mobile devices. What's more, HP's execs were quick to say that Microsoft was a valuable partner on the conference call announcing the buyout yesterday, but it was unclear whether they were talking about Windows Phone 7 or Windows 7 for PCs -- we can't say we're expecting to see a Windows Phone 7 handset out of HP at this point, but it's not totally out of the question.
We also don't know what's going to happen with the HP Slate, which prominently featured on several slides during the conference call yesterday. We don't know if it was just there as a way of illustrating HP's recent moves in the mobile space or a hint at something more, but our guess is that it too will die a quiet death -- sure, it might still launch in June as expected, but pushing a desktop operating system like Windows 7 onto a full slate device has always been an idea fraught with peril, and webOS seems much more naturally suited to the task. What's more, we can't see HP throwing any more development dollars at the Intel-based Slate when it just spent 1.2 billion dollars on an ARM-based mobile OS. We'll have to wait and see, and that brings us to...
Here's where it gets interesting. Although no one would officially confirm any product plans yesterday, both Palm and HP kept hinting at future tablets, netbooks and other connected devices running webOS. Jon Rubinstein told us that webOS was always designed to scale to other form factors, but that Palm was too small to make it happen while remaining focused on smartphones -- a problem that's obviously been erased by HP's checkbook. Money doesn't solve everything, though, and we'll have to see if Palm can manage to move webOS to other platforms without getting sidetracked from core OS development and improvement.
What we do know is that HP has always put effort into the touch-friendly MediaSmart and TouchSmart software layers to compensate for Windows' deficiencies with mixed results, and the acquisition of webOS and Palm's thick portfolio of touch and mobile patents will dramatically improve those products as the company blends things together on its huge selection of netbooks, tablet PCs, and slates. The future possibilities are endless: netbooks / netvertibles that dual boot webOS and Windows or even run webOS as a software layer, pure webOS tablets / smartbooks that get hours of battery life, webOS smartphones that dock into HP touch PCs and share their apps and settings -- hell, we'd even love to see HP take its touchscreen printer line to the next level with a healthy dose of webOS. Talk about the world's first web-connected printer.
Regardless of the hardware, HP has just jumped ahead years from its mobile TouchSmart offerings by acquiring Palm while dramatically lightening the load of compensating for Windows' skeletal touch support. We're just wondering how quickly and how aggressively the company will pursue the many opportunities it now has -- and whether it can remain focused on delivering an excellent user experience while doing so.
We'll keep this one short: neither HP or Palm have been very good at marketing themselves lately, although Palm's gotten just slightly better. The combination of HP's ham-handed Halloween fonts and cheesy in-house promotional videos with Palm's "we'll sell it to chicks!" instincts could be disastrous -- we can already see the Vivienne Tam Pixi covers being mocked up. We're hoping that both companies realize a historic buyout like this requires some fresh new creative on the marketing side -- and if we hear anyone besides an extremely sarcastic Ross Rubin say "the smartphone is personal again," we may just run for the hills.
After decades of insane restructurings, name changes, and near-death experiences, Palm has once again ceased to be an independent company, and HP is now a major player in the mobile space, ready to spend the cash required to make its new in-house OS as competitive as possible across a huge range of devices. Just think about that for a second -- the new list of mobile heavyweights is Google, Apple, Microsoft, Nokia, RIM, and... HP. We can't say we expected that when we checked into work on Monday.
We've barely scratched the surface here -- we're sure to feel the ripple effects of this buyout for years to come. We'd be lying if we told you we could predict with any certainty how that will play out over the next five years, or even necessarily the next five months, but we are certain of one thing: if you thought the mobile market was already bonkers, you ain't seen nothing yet.
[Thanks to Peter. P, Ousmane Mariko, and cynomyso for some of these great images!]
But now that we've had a day to wrap our heads around the news and think about what Palm and HP said to us last night and to analysts on the conference call announcing the deal, we think we've got a pretty good set of educated guesses on how things might shake out over the next few months. Read on!
The deal
First things first: the deal isn't official yet. Palm and HP have to jump through a number of regulatory hurdles first, including look-sees by the SEC and FTC. That process isn't expected to be completed -- at the earliest -- until HP's third fiscal quarter, which ends in July. When's all said and done, though, HP will spend a cool 1.2 billion dollars in cash to buy all of Palm's outstanding stock at $5.70 a share. Palm will then become part of HP's Personal Systems Group, led by Jon Rubinstein, who expected to stay along with most of the rest of the senior team -- HP told us there were "aggressive" retention plans in place. What remains to be seen is how Palm's unique culture is absorbed into the massive behemoth of HP. Palm's relatively small and quirky, and although we're told Rubinstein is excited to lead Palm into this next phase, that may not be the case for its other engineers and employees. Palm's already lost some talent at the top in recent weeks, so we'll see if this bit of good news stems the tide or hastens the drain -- HP told us they're going to announce a new organization strategy as time goes on. And here's a fun throwaway question: as of right now, every Palm employee we've known from Jon Rubinstein on down is a Mac user. Are they all going to switch to Envy 15s now, or what? It's silly, but it's also a significant cultural difference the two companies will have to resolve.
Palm's current products
As it stands right now, Palm's current products -- the Pre / Pre Plus and the Pixi / Pixi Plus -- are unaffected by the deal, and Palm tells us that its hardware roadmap will remain unaffected in the near term. That means we should see the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus hit AT&T as planned, and whatever new hardware Palm has in the pipeline will also continue to be developed -- Jon Rubinstein told us that after a couple days of buyout excitement it'll be "back to work and full steam ahead."
It's the same story for webOS -- it should be unaffected in the near term, and things like the Ares SDK and developer evangelism should continue to go on as scheduled. Of course, it might be easier for Palm to lure devs to the platform now that HP's bank account is reassuringly behind it, but we're not hearing about any major substantive changes to the current product mix or near-term plans.
The Palm brand and future products
What Jon or HP wouldn't tell us is whether or not Palm's brand will remain -- whether or not future devices will have the Palm logo on them or just an HP logo, or whether the Palm name itself will continue to exist. That's a big question that clearly needs to be dealt with as the buyout talks wrap up and the deal gets finalized in the next new months; we're getting the loose impression that the Palm and webOS names will stick around in some way, but we were told a more definite answer won't be forthcoming until the deal closes.
We also don't really know how this deal will affect Palm's future products. HP already makes and sells the iPAQ line, which has its own proud history of past successes and recent failures, and that DNA is sure to filter into whatever products Palm / HP put out in the future. We also don't know how far into the future Palm's existing roadmap goes, and how and when those plans will be integrated with HP's plans for the mobile space -- sure, the Pre Plus will hit AT&T, but after that things are very much up in the air.HP's current products and product plans
HP doesn't really have much going on in the mobile space right now -- there's the iPAQ Glisten on AT&T and the iPAQ Data Messenger on Vodafone, and... that's about it. We'd expect those to die a quick, painless death, along with the Android-based Compaq Airlife netbook and any other Android plans HP's been brewing up in the labs. You can't "double down on webOS" while supporting another mobile operating system, right?
Well, maybe you can. HP is listed as a Windows Phone 7 launch partner, after all, and Palm certainly has a long history of making Windows Mobile devices. What's more, HP's execs were quick to say that Microsoft was a valuable partner on the conference call announcing the buyout yesterday, but it was unclear whether they were talking about Windows Phone 7 or Windows 7 for PCs -- we can't say we're expecting to see a Windows Phone 7 handset out of HP at this point, but it's not totally out of the question.
We also don't know what's going to happen with the HP Slate, which prominently featured on several slides during the conference call yesterday. We don't know if it was just there as a way of illustrating HP's recent moves in the mobile space or a hint at something more, but our guess is that it too will die a quiet death -- sure, it might still launch in June as expected, but pushing a desktop operating system like Windows 7 onto a full slate device has always been an idea fraught with peril, and webOS seems much more naturally suited to the task. What's more, we can't see HP throwing any more development dollars at the Intel-based Slate when it just spent 1.2 billion dollars on an ARM-based mobile OS. We'll have to wait and see, and that brings us to...
Tablets, netbooks, and connected devices

What we do know is that HP has always put effort into the touch-friendly MediaSmart and TouchSmart software layers to compensate for Windows' deficiencies with mixed results, and the acquisition of webOS and Palm's thick portfolio of touch and mobile patents will dramatically improve those products as the company blends things together on its huge selection of netbooks, tablet PCs, and slates. The future possibilities are endless: netbooks / netvertibles that dual boot webOS and Windows or even run webOS as a software layer, pure webOS tablets / smartbooks that get hours of battery life, webOS smartphones that dock into HP touch PCs and share their apps and settings -- hell, we'd even love to see HP take its touchscreen printer line to the next level with a healthy dose of webOS. Talk about the world's first web-connected printer.
Regardless of the hardware, HP has just jumped ahead years from its mobile TouchSmart offerings by acquiring Palm while dramatically lightening the load of compensating for Windows' skeletal touch support. We're just wondering how quickly and how aggressively the company will pursue the many opportunities it now has -- and whether it can remain focused on delivering an excellent user experience while doing so.
Marketing

Wrap-up
After decades of insane restructurings, name changes, and near-death experiences, Palm has once again ceased to be an independent company, and HP is now a major player in the mobile space, ready to spend the cash required to make its new in-house OS as competitive as possible across a huge range of devices. Just think about that for a second -- the new list of mobile heavyweights is Google, Apple, Microsoft, Nokia, RIM, and... HP. We can't say we expected that when we checked into work on Monday.
We've barely scratched the surface here -- we're sure to feel the ripple effects of this buyout for years to come. We'd be lying if we told you we could predict with any certainty how that will play out over the next five years, or even necessarily the next five months, but we are certain of one thing: if you thought the mobile market was already bonkers, you ain't seen nothing yet.
[Thanks to Peter. P, Ousmane Mariko, and cynomyso for some of these great images!]






















What happens next is that were gonna see some awesome phones/tablets
@uck
also Apple is going to have its arse handed to them from business users..
@AppleDrank Apple has a business user base for their mobile products? That's news to me.
@uck I would buy that tablet.
@uck nice avatar and username. ;)
@uck
I think tablets are the BIG thing here. webOS in a larger form factor will deal some serious competion to the iPads stronghold in this space. They need to release some information ASAP and start stirring up some interest.
Brandon
www.theurbangeek.com
@BrandonHarris Not too early or it'll be like the Palm Pre all over again....
@uck
Great work on this piece Nilay.
Loved all those possible product/service ideas, lets hope most of them come to pass.
"What Jon or HP wouldn't tell us is whether or not Palm's brand will remain"
Cool, I look forward to the HP Compaq Palm iPaq T7790X.
:|
@uck
I'm curious to see what happens to whatever hardware Palm had in development. Will it see the light of day? And if yes, how would the marketing work for it?
@AppleDrank
nobody gives a flying fuck about the business users.
@uck
And the sudden transformation of HP fanboys overnight. :)
@uck Its gonna be a great year!!! more and more competition!
@a dumb cat
Probably. This buyout won't be sealed for a few more months to Palm's autonomous till then and will likely release one last phone before the acquisition. Here's to hoping it's a good one...
@Evan lol yes. The entire Apple Corporation in Cupertino CA. thats alot of business user haha
anyways stupid jokes aside. I dunno about you guys, but i am super excited here. I cannot wait to see Palm and HP kick some butt.
My prediction in the next 4 - 5 years it will be Microsoft, Google, Apple +(the combination of HP Palm) in the space of Power computing.
Awesum stuff. I love industry upsets!
@uck
God a webOS tablet!?
That would truly be a contender for an iPad. I've yet to see any Windows 7 tablets out and about so I can't judge how Win7 would be on a tablet.
The future is looking good,,,,
@Oghowie
Same webOS is very powerful and easy to use, and with Ares out to mess around with and freely Dev with it would be a wonderful tool.
@Evan
You're right.
I recall there were some companies that cancelled orders for Apple's iPhones for Nokia's E72s.
@uck
Why is engadget using the old HP logo? so stupid and pathetic
@Oghowie
I'd tab that.
@uck Yea, I see a nice competitor for the ipad.
@dimithra
I actually think in the next 4-5 years people are going to be buying Google, Microsoft, and HP/Palm products. I see Apple going the way of Sony. Sony use to be the darling company, if you had a Sony product you were one of the elite. Now Sony is just another brand. I think if Apple keeps going the way their going, its going to be the same with them. Apple will go back to where they were with just their fanboys praising them and everyone else buying other products.
@Evan hahaha...nice!
@Evan
Apple has quite a plentiful business user base thats keeps expanding each day. Guess you don't read the news much...
@uck
I can't get over it. Every time I hear about a WebOS tablet I just get excited.
@uck
It'll only be a matter of time before HP will be out of business if it tries to sell tablets or some iPaq powered by webOS.
@HellcatM
Keep dreaming dude. Your evil wishes will not come true. HP and Palm won't do jack. HP is boring, the new IBM and bring another failure of a company like Palm won't change their image.
@Dr Kwame Nkrumah
I somewhat agree. HP's offerings have been horrible on the whole and I decided a couple of years ago to stop buying their products - this makes me even less likely to buy a palm as my next phone. Though a web OS tablet might be a winner if they can get people to develop for it and market it well (big if).
@uck
First thing HP needs to do is re-name "IPAQ" It doesnt sound appealing to me.
@think before you react Fail. Apple doesn't keep any business end aspect of their device up to date... I guess you don't read much.
Hopefully they won't make any dumb business mistakes like making their next WebOS devices Sprint-exclusive.
@HotFuzz
It's funny if you grab the handle of the q in "iPaq" and just crank it upwards...
@Oghowie me too !! A webOS tablet would be great for next christmas :-D
Pit
@AppleDrank Just wanna be controversial here why not call it Apple leaf...Smiles
@uck Hope HP stays open to the homebrew community! And maybe implement some of it into the os as well!
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@uck The combination is good, the plan is set perfectly.. although its still uncertain on how can they play this one out. HP palm opinions. http://j.mp/hp-palm-duality
HTC is gonna regret this a year from now especially if they lose the Lawsuit with Apple.
@techlord
yup, they like being tossed around like the town tramp... they should have bought up all those Palm patents then start calling the shots,
@techlord
But if HP allow licensing (probs wont tho) they may not regret.
Btw, was I the only one who read HTC buys Palm the first time?
@techlord I was wondering before if HTC passing on Palm meant they thought they'd be okay in Apple lawsuit.
@techlord Buying Palm was probably more expensive then perceived legal costs. Furthermore HTC probably didn't see the added value in owning and developing Palm's products, because more than likely its pockets weren't deep enough to do so.
@Luxury Guy Cher Wang could buy it with her pocket change...
@techlord Did they have 1.2 billion though?
@techlord
But lets be realistic. HTC never would have been able to pay off Palm's massive amounts of debt.
Hey Nilay hows that Windows Media Center going?
http://twitter.com/LordVader__/
Well I hope all goes well It will be very cool to see Web OS running on a larger device.
@MoonWalkerCTE I hope HP makes it open and allow it to run on more than HP devices.
@htd
for 1.2 billion? i don't think so.
The real reason HP bought Palm: They want WebOS for their crazy 3D printers.
Isn't it obvious?