Discussion about
kris

June 11th 2013 12:57 pm

Is PlayStation 4 the console to beat?



Yesterday was not a great day for Microsoft. Their E3 presentation should have been a triumph, where they show off the shiny new games for their shiny new system and get people really excited for all the fancy new features. This is what the E3 conference is for. Instead, they found themselves competing for the public's attention against Apple's announcements at WWDC (with both presentations overlapping time slot-wise, and Apple talking iOS 7 literally as Microsoft wrapped up), and then last night, Sony delivered what some are calling a "sick burn" with their PlayStation 4 presentation, announcing the following:
  • The PS4 will not be region-locked
  • The PS4 will not be "always online" and will not need to "check in periodically online"
  • The PS4 will cost $399 ($100 less than the Xbox One)
  • PlayStation Plus memberships will carry over to the PS4
  • And most important of all, NO USED GAME RESTRICTIONS
Buy a game and then sell it. Rent it. Lend your game to a friend. All of these can be done without having to buy an additional license or perform any kind of online verification. People have been raising a real fuss about this since the idea of "no used games" was hinted at last year, and while Microsoft forged ahead with a complicated-sounding license scheme, Sony just dropped the notion entirely, even going so far as to making a promotional video:

www.youtube.com­/watch­?v­=stiYAbaJY1w

Basically, Sony addressed almost all of the major complaints that have been leveled against the Xbox One.

And this isn't even including some of the games announced or shown off last night. Square Enix announced that Final Fantasy Versus XIII was actually Final Fantasy XV, and they finally (finally!) announced Kingdom Hearts III. They also got The Elder Scrolls Online beta, Transistor, and The Dark Sorcerer, well as non-exclusives like Assassin's Creed IV.

The one downer was that a PlayStation Plus subscription will now be required for online play. But that's not really a disadvantage compared to Xbox, since a PS+ subscription will cost $5 a month—same as Xbox Live Gold.

Who do you think won yesterday? Did Sony truly deliver a "sick burn," or is there still hope for the Xbox One? If you're an Xbox owner, are you considering switching sides? Have you pre-ordered either system yet?



knowyourmeme.com­/memes­/shut­-up­-and­-take­-my­-money

sort by

76 replies
aaron

I'll be preordering a PS4. I've accumulated quite a number of 360 games as a current Xbox owner, but with the complete lack of backwards compatibility in the Xbox One, there's nothing holding me back from switching to PlayStation.

At the end of the day, practically all of the games I'm interested in are coming to both platforms. With the PS4 + PS Plus being cheaper than Xbox One + Xbox Live, without any DRM or connectivity restrictions to boot, Sony made this decision easy.
11 like dislike
Linkyarmer

Same here. 360 will be played for a while but all new games will be bought for the PS4. I'll finally be able to play Uncharted 2 and 3. I think/hope those will be available via PSN download...
4 like dislike
dbreuning

I think they already said that they will be able to be played later on in 2014. They acquired that game streaming company Gaikai (or what's it named?). It will be through that tech that they will be making older PS games available.
0 like dislike
HellfireHD

Yeah... that's going to suck. We're years and years away from good enough broadband to make streaming games playable. Just get a used PS3.
1 like dislike
sup909

I was actually an early Online user and I have Comcast internet. Most of the games were surprisingly playable actually. The lag really only became and issue in FPS games where you needed that "twitch" speed. I cannot say for a fact though that Gaikai would work as well though.
0 like dislike
plcn

if you sign up for PS Plus now you can actually get Uncharted 3 for free (along with XCOM and Saints Row 3, among others, for whenever you end up picking up a PS3 or the gaikai thing gets working... you can also stop paying after 'buying' those and they will still be in your download library when you decide to subscribe again
0 like dislike
AlexLive

I'm on the same boat as you. I have tons of 360 games. But seeing that I can't play them on the One. Nothing is holding me back. I'll just be getting my next games through a PC - PS4 combo.
0 like dislike
HellfireHD

Those are really good points. With the exception of Halo and Forza, the games I'm interested in are also on both. But Halo, Forza and Spark will keep me on the XB1.
0 like dislike
baileylo

The determining factor for me will be where my friends go. I enjoy playing online multi-player games. It doesn't really matter which features either system integrates, I'd rather play a poorer experience with my friends than be forever alone.
8 like dislike
nitehawk

I really can't disagree with you more. Sure it's unfortunate that most of my friends own Xbox 360s and I am frustrated from time to time by not being able to play CoD with them, but I do enjoy the solace of a gaming experience.

Lots of people, not "core gamers" only play to play with friends and only play a few games. While they help proliferate the gaming genre and make things cheaper for others, more people should be conscious of the fact that you don't have to be playing with others. To a lot of these people, playing CoD is like being on Facebook. They are doing it to be with others, but not necessarily because they like it. If not for their friends, they would probably be watching tv.

While I understand everyone is free to play whatever and however they want, gaming to me is more like reading a book or watching a movie. It is an interactive experience and emotion should be displayed during and after your gaming sessions. You don't have to learn something or have deep insight, but like a book, there's a start and an end.

Playing Madden/CoD and other largely multiplayer centric games changes things significantly. It's more about competition than the cinematic type of experience. Let's compare something like Uncharted and God of War to CoD. Single player games follow a storyline and you complete missions, side quests and build towards a goal.

In a multiplayer game you turn it on, talk trash, jump around, talk more trash and then go do something else. There's opportunities for team building, camaraderie and pressure towards a goal and every single time it's a little bit different. Except it's not. What you're trying to do is the same every time, you play with the same people, maybe you talk maybe you don't. It's possible to learn things from others, but the experience is more fleeting. It's like playing pick up basketball, except you don't get off your couch, your don't have to pass the ball or acknowledge your teammates. They are there and they know you're there, but whether you work together is a whole different scenario.
3 like dislike
deitiphobia

Sounds like you don't play multiplayer on Xbox Live...cause it's so good that it really is compelling. It makes it easy to play with friends without all the hassle.
0 like dislike
HellfireHD

What a load of crap! Just like when I was a kid playing Zelda or Duck Hunt, it was better with friends. A lot better! We welcomed strangers in all the time, but that core group was what made it awesome. The best times are still when we're all playing together, even as adults. I'll still game even when my friends aren't online, but it's so much better when they are.
0 like dislike
TgD

This will be the determining factor for my brother as well. He has his online clans/teams on the xbox 360, and although he prefers a ps4 based on what he is seeing, if his team doesn't jump I don't think he will
0 like dislike
deitiphobia

The 360 does have such a far superior online gaming with Xbox Live. All the bitching and whining on the internet aside, I think the Xbox One still looks to be the better console with more to offer and and even more improved online experience. If MS would just change up it's used game policy and online checks, I think it has a chance of being the dominant platform. They have some time to change their policies and get their crap together and overcome all of this negative press before november launch.
0 like dislike
HellfireHD

Used gaming is going to die with digital distribution! Not having to change disks to switch games (or even game modes... I'm looking at you BF3) means I'm never going to buy a disk again!
0 like dislike
TgD

Sony indeed showed everything I wanted to see in a console, and I thought I had decided on getting one...

Until I saw Nintendo Direct this morning. I realize this may make me flamebait, but I think I want a Wii U instead. There were a great number of first party titles shown off that I really want to play.

I may have to get both consoles though, because some of those games just looked phenomenal. From an RPG standpoint, the PS4 is the console to have it seems.
5 like dislike
nitehawk

As a tech nerd I understand why people want to own multiple consoles, but there's something inside me that just wants to violently shake people who think owning multiple devices that are connected to the same tv. My hope is that the shaking will return you to sanity. Do you have both an Android and iOS smartphone that you keep in your pocket too?

You realize that both consoles have similar games, right? And that for $350 or whatever it costs for a Wii U, you can buy a plethora of PS4 games and accessories or vice versa? (Or perhaps you could buy a PS Vita!) That the console makers actually lose money or break even when they ship consoles, so you're dollars are not well spent? It's one thing to have a bunch of cameras, or own more cars than people in your household, but these devices are connected to the SAME TV. If you're the only one playing why in the hell would you throw hundreds of dollars in the trash?

Let's say you have a PS3, but you want to play Mariokart. Everyone enjoys kart racing, right? Well instead of shelling out for a console, you can buy (or rent to see which one you prefer) Sonic Racing Transformed, LittleBig Planet Karting or my favorite, Modnation Racers! Say you want to play God of War, but you have a Nintendo. Ninja Gaiden is very similar and there are other multi-platform slasher games that, because of competition and supply and demand, are available on Nintendo.

The exception is when multiple people in the household are into gaming, but have very different tastes. Although buying the same console twice would make the overall experience more efficient with controller, accessory and game cross over, hardcore Nintendo and PS fans may not be able to compromise. Also, not connecting to the same tv is what makes it okay as well.
-1 like dislike
kris

Games are about more than just the base gameplay; people buy Mario Kart as much for the characters and setting and design as they do for the experience of racing a kart. People buy God of War for the story and setting, which is decidedly different from Ninja Gaiden. Hell, you could argue that all RPGs are the same at their core, but there are small differences that make a big difference to an RPG fan.
3 like dislike
TgD

This may make you shudder. I have a nexus 4 and a 5G iPod touch. Sometimes they are in different pockets. Never the same.

1 like dislike
HellfireHD

You're a nut! I have a PS3, Xbox 360, Ouya and PC all hooked to the same screen. I love all of them (Well, except for the Ouya) and switch between all of them all the time. I also have an iPhone, iPad and Windows RT tablet to go along with my MacBook Pro and my Lenovo W520. They all do different things well and I use all of them constantly, each for it's strengths. And once my pre-ordered XB1 arrives I'll add it into the mix... not getting rid of anything. Well, except for the Ouya, but nobody in their right mind will buy it off me.
0 like dislike
frankspin

With the games are becoming less and less exclusive, it certainly is for me. While I'm in no hurry to pick up a new console I would certainly get the PS4 over the Xbox One this go around.
4 like dislike
Linkyarmer

I pre-ordered my PS4 this morning. I was a pretty big MS fan until all of this went down. My 360 will still get plenty of use until they stop making (quality) content for it.
2 like dislike
qyiet

I'm currently in favour of the xbox for 4 reasons.

1) I'm still burned from having to reset all my passwords following the sony hack
2) My consoles are always online, and I've not purchased/sold a 2nd hand game ever
3) I want to be able to run games without the disc (swapping discs sucks)
4) When my place got broken into a while ago, my consoles and my games got stolen. I got all the games back that were tied to my accounts, but lost all my 360 and PS3 games.

The xbox account mechanics work better for me. I see it as steam for the console, and I hope that MS starts the same aggressive game pricing that steam is famous for. Given how it steam seems to extract the maximum number of dollars per user, I assume that MS will be keen to at least try it.
2 like dislike
jcroynhp

and Titanfall. The PS4 exclusives (Killzone, Infamous, and I'm missing one other one) don't really excite me. Believe me, I wish I could afford both, but $1000 in one shot is too much to ask.
0 like dislike
HellfireHD

I pre-ordered the XB1 but I have no doubt that someday I'll also pick up the PS4.
0 like dislike
HellfireHD

I agree with all of the above. Then you mix in the new media/app features combined with Skype and it's the best converged device ever. I guarantee mine will be used hours many every day by everyone in my house.
0 like dislike
nitehawk

Full disclosure: I own a PS3 and PS Vita and have PS+.

I really like the futuristic notion of Xbox One. I hate the name. I think that Xbox actually has a slight leg up on the exclusive games from what they displayed yesterday, but it's close. I watched almost all of the Sony conference and just tidbits of Microsoft's so I'm sure there's things I missed. I don't know why Xbox didn't upgrade their controller with something like a touchpad or light sensor in the way that PS did.

I like the new Kinect because I'm a fitness nut. I like the idea of voice control, but Siri doesn't work for me, so why would Kinect be any better? I'm a mumbler so I know that talking clearly is just not my strong suit, at least not when I'm trying to relax and play video games.

I like the used game policy for PS. I actually think it's a great business move for them to force people to buy into PS+ since it is a great service and few people have it or know that you get "free" games, discounts, betas and automatic updates with your subscription. The free games and automatic updates are probably the most important since it allows me to play games I wouldn't otherwise and there always seems to be patches.

I like the Gaikai cloud gaming thing, but Sony really didn't emphasize it much. People aren't too excited for it since Remote Play simply has never worked. I really wish Sony had displayed a fitness game, just to say that PS Move will carry over and there will be competition against Nike's Xbox partnership. I think Under Armour/P90X would be wise to talk to Sony asap.

Overall, I still don't see what the games displayed at the conference can do versus what our current gen does. The graphics were about the same, the controllers are minor upgrades and the only difference seems to be $400 or $500. For that kind of money I still don't see the value being there this winter. Will I buy one on launch day? Probably, but I'll sell my PS3 to bring down the total upgrade cost.

My favorite part of the PS4? PS Vita cross play on every non-Move game!
1 like dislike
HellfireHD

I'll agree that PS+ automatic updates rock... love logging into my console and not having to wait for the newest patch to download and install.
0 like dislike
Nymo

Basing off what we have seen in the past day: PS4 is clearly the system everyone is looking to & praising. That's thanks to all the missteps Microsoft took with showing off the Xbox One.

Let's go down the list:
  • When MS first revealed the system, they focused heavily on media and other non-game features & few games, making for quite a bit of comical memes online
  • They are including the Kinect with every box, and it's required. While they announced that there will be privacy settings & that MS won't be a big-brother, it still angered many gamers. The core gamers don't care about Kinect & don't want to deal with it. That, and having it constantly listen and such has caused a stir & made many concerned about privacy
  • They detailed their restrictive DRM, which was what many were concerned about. There's a lot to talk about DRM overall, so I won't talk about it in this post.
  • Finally: $499. Five hundred dollars. That's not cheap.
When Sony got in the spotlight, they did the opposite: They focused on games when they initially revealed the PS4, the EYE camera isn't included with every box now, they outright talked down on DRM and announced the system at a full $100 less than Xbox one (and just $50 more than the premium Wii U).

Overall: Microsoft came in with a negative cloud over their heads and didn't deliver, while Sony did.

Other things I need to mention though:

DRM. While I said I wouldn't really talk about this, it has to be said and clarified that there will be DRM on the PS4...ONLY if 3rd party developers decide to use it. 1st party Sony games will continue to be DRM free. In other words: It's essentially the same thing as what's been going on with the previous PS3 already. (Yes: There are already some DRM practices on the PS3 already)
There was some expressed panic about this today when this was revealed & many thought Sony didn't stick to their word, but it's still better than the restrictions MS is putting on ever retail game & it's the same thing that's going on now in this gen. Again: It's all up to the 3rd party developers to implement DRM or not. If there's anyone to be angry at, it would be EA, Activision, Ubisoft, etc who may use it, and I bet they'd be afraid to seeing all this backlash now.

Games. A little disclaimer: I am a bigger PlayStation fan overall, but I do still own a 360 and Nintendo portables. But even as a Sony-guy: I was a little disappointed with the lineup they revealed at the press event. There weren't that many exclusives that we didn't know about already. While I am a big fan of indies and I do love that Sony is embracing the indie community: All those games are still just going to be timed exclusives, and can very well show up on PC or elsewhere soon after. Some are even out now on PC, or will be, and may be cheaper on PC. As for bigger titles from 3rd parties: It was even revealed that massive reveals like Kingdom Hearts 3 will actually be on Xbox One as well, a first time on Microsoft consoles. And the only other exclusives from new 3rd-parties was just exclusive DLC. Xbox One's lineup, on the other hand, is pretty awesome with many exclusives coming. Still: The whole $100 more for the Xbox (plus DRM and other factors) is still likely going to move people away and towards Sony.

Paid subscriptions. Let's set the record straight here: Sony is winning in this field. PlayStation Plus is actually cheaper than Xbox LIVE Gold; $10 less for yearly subscriptions (XBL $59.99, PS+ $49.99). While you pay $4.99 per month with a yearly XBL Gold, PS+ is actually just about $4.17 a month. And it has been a good deal ever since Sony started the program: PS+ would actually give you free games. That's 12 on PS3 & 6 on Vita with titles changing out regularly each month. And while some games leave PS+; If you added the game to your cart while it as still free, you can keep & play it as long as you're subscribed. These free games vary from old to very new (as in just-launched-that-same-day) and can range from small downloadables to full $60 retail games. That, plus some really great discounts exclusive to PS+ can make for literally hundreds of dollars saved per year. Not to mention that free PS4 games will be coming too! Xbox LIVE Gold, however, doesn't offer that same kind of thing. They do offer demos exclusive to Gold as well as sales, and now they're going to offer free games as well; 2 per month. Though, that's only going to be up 'til the end of the year. While PS+ will be required to play online games, all the other content & perks you get are an added plus, pun intended. It should also be pointed out that PS+ is only needed for online multiplayer: Using media services like Netflix or the upcoming Flixter doesn't require the additional subscription just to use them, unlike Xbox LIVE now on the 360, where you NEED XBL Gold just to use any online feature that isn't shopping. That even includes Internet Explorer: You have to pay just to use IE. No real clarification if they will change that with Xbox One, but I doubt it.

Overall: Sony has definitely learned their lesson here, while Microsoft stays sitting atop their high horse and be rather oblivious to the concerns of gamers, which include privacy, price, and DRM. Though, this doesn't mean that Sony will outright win the generation: There's still many things Sony can improve upon, and I am positive that Microsoft is reevaluating everything for Xbox One now. They came to kill Sony, and they're not giving up without a fight. I guarantee that you'll see some price changes, among other changes, on the Xbox One within the next 2 years in attempt to win gamers, and the wider audience they're targeting for, back.
1 like dislike
HellfireHD

I love how all the PS4 love glosses over the fact that PS+ will now be required for online play.
0 like dislike
dbreuning

For me that's not a problem at all. But for long time PS fans it will be different since that's a change. Lots of fanboys used the fact of free online play as an advantage over Xbox. Not anymore.

I always felt they should've charged for online since they can support better. Better servers, faster network etc. On PSN it shows that it's free.
1 like dislike
nandish

Since I'm a Microsoft fanboy, I will still go with xbox one
1 like dislike
dbreuning

I'm a 7,5 year Xbox Live subscriber with Xbox 360. So since the 360 came out (2 december 2005). When they showed off their system first I was disappointed because it was all TV TV TV and no games games games (except COD). I thought well maybe at E3 they will woo me. But they didn't. Worst yet, they made me turn to the competitor: Sony.

Why? Well for the exact reasons stated above. I'm all for going digital. 100% digital and I'm there. But to push these restrictions on us with no choice left (except buying a 360 - fuck you Mattrick!); that's absurd! To say the least...

Furthermore they didn't show any good games. And the ones that look interesting (Quantum Break for example) they didn't show game footage.

So with all this said I'm switching to Sony when the new consoles arrive. I don't want to but I need to because of all this. I must add that Xbox Live to me is superior to PSN when it comes to download speeds, ease of use, community and communication with friends. But oh well I'd rather play cool games and borrow and lend them then this!

Sorry MS, you fucked up. Big time.
1 like dislike
jcroynhp

Titanfall doesn't interest you?
0 like dislike
dbreuning

Yeah that looks fun. But it can also be released on PS4 since it's not an exclusive right? Plus it's only multiplayer. I also like a good single player campaign.
0 like dislike
deitiphobia

No Titan Fall is an exclusive. Its coming to Xbox One, Xbox 360 and PC. That game will make use of the new servers for dedicated host and to power the AI of non player controlled combatants that fight along with both sides during online multiplayer matches. PS4 won't have that capability as they don't have the infrastructure built out our such a thing even planned. This is really the huge way X box Live will maintain its huge advantage over PSN.
0 like dislike
dbreuning

All right. It looked cool but not a real system seller for me. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd rather have the choice of trade games, more great exclusives and less media. But maybe Xbox will woo me at TGS or another game show. We will see!
0 like dislike
HellfireHD

So all the friends you made in the last 7,5 years are going to switch too? Not mine. Most of us have already pre-ordered the XB1, myself included.
0 like dislike
dbreuning

Most of my IRL friends are all going PS4. Xbox just doesn't have it (for me) this time.
1 like dislike
deitiphobia

I pre-ordered both.
1 like dislike
coologuy1957

None of the Xbox One games shown at E3 looked like system sellers to me... I'm the biggest Halo fan and all I got was a teaser... I saw a lot of big and indie games I wanted to put money on the counter for on PS4....
1 like dislike
Vatican

I'm a little worried about the lack of baked-in backwards compatibility. I've got all these PS3 games... and I haven't beaten any of them yet.
0 like dislike
HellfireHD

So keep your PS3! I'm keeping mine... and with all the free games on PS+ it's still going to be a great gaming platform for a long time to come. It's also still, by far, the best bluray player on the market.
1 like dislike
coologuy1957

I think I might even keep them both on the same TV... I think the PS4 will be an even better bluray player through faster drive speeds and better processing.... and there are still some great PS3 exclusives that will roll out even when the PS4 is out... just like the PS2 when the PS3 was out and the PS1 when the PS2 was out :)
0 like dislike
coologuy1957

do what I did - START PLAYING LIKE CRAZY!! I've beaten about 6 games in the last few weeks just focusing on it... they are just sitting there and you probably won't play them when the PS4s out :)

and The Last of Us is amazing btw ;)
0 like dislike
coologuy1957

Pre-ordered... I waited a few days but then I couldn't take it any more.... I simply loved their presentation and the look and the price and the philosophy... I loved all the indie games they showed and some of my best PS3 experiences have come from small/indie games... I excited that I'm actually excited about laying down $400 for a new game experience... last generation I dreaded it and only got the Wii at launch... I'm looking forward to playing some PS4 games come Xmas and some of the Wii U titles we're finally getting!! :)
0 like dislike
AndyTSJ

I'm in the same position as many others. I have a huge library of Xbox 360 titles that I will continue to play on my 360 but I'll upgrade to a PS4 instead.
0 like dislike
Alphamax

love both systems however, the Xbox Tv integration is something that will keep me on Xbox.
0 like dislike
kr1ssr0ck

yeah, PS4 is making a good case to be bought this time around. I've been a ps owner in the past, then switched to xbox...but I've preordered another xbox. Not that I'm a loyalist, (slightly) but MS just so happened to focus on the things that I actuall do. I've been playing/buying games for my computer..I haven't purchased a xbox360/wii game in probably close to a year.. However, I used my xbox to stream music/movies from my computer on a regular basis...(until they messed up the codec for w8) however, the tv/voice features are more suited/interesting to me cause I want a media center..My computer will prob remain the main game center.
0 like dislike
Kenshin217

I didn't read your post.

The answer to the question you posed in the subject: Yes.
0 like dislike
share:

26 users following this discussion, including:

  • marc
  • coologuy1957
  • sK0pe
  • deitiphobia
  • frankspin
  • TgD
  • sup909
  • qyiet
  • kris
  • Ianny

This discussion has been viewed 19905 times.
Last activity .